hamliet:

I have to be honest here i’m not THAT impressed with urie this chapter saiko really did all the work. He kinda did not overcome his flaw imo or i missed that and he did?

So what were your (possible) issues with the chapter now that it’s out?

From different anons but they can be answered together. 

No, Urie didn’t overcome his flaw, and that’s what I’m disappointed in. THOUGH him letting Saiko help might have been him not doing everything on his own so maybe there’s progress there? I wish he had said it, but also, I think there’s some good to him not confessing now, especially given Mutsuki’s unhealthy relationships with romance right now. I think that will be developed upon though.

And yeah. My frustrations are with Saiko’s character–or should I say, her lack of character. She continues to seem like just the cute one rather than a character in her own right. She doesn’t struggle–like that confession would have meant a lot more coming from Urie, because, much like 112, this didn’t tell us anything we didn’t already know. 

I’m going to quote @amonmahboi here from our conversations about this chapter and say “loving someone is a constant effort.” Just saying it isn’t enough. Saiko says it but seldom shows it in-between and I wanted to see that addressed. 

@hamliet​ Ah, I’m glad we’re kinda agreeing on that. 🙂

I do think that both Urie and Saiko are stagnating, since it’s basically ch112 2.0 but at the same time, I find that such a conclusion was to be expected since Mutsuki wanted to kill themselves.
So Urie and Saiko showing comfort and using the magic hug instead of confrontation about what Mutsuki did so far was the best way to make them feel accepted and to give them a chance at redemption, in my opinion.

However, it doesn’t mean that everything is now solved since redemption just started and first Mutsuki needs to get help, to want to live, to accept themselves, to try and get rid of their flaws, to move on from their crush on Haise.
That’s also the reason I’m kinda glad the Mutsurie thing that seemed to have been foreshadowed with that editor’s line in the last chapter didn’t happen, as much as I like them together.

As you said, I’d rather not have Urie confessing to someone who barely held it together for a while because they’re coming back from so far away.
For now Mutsuki needs to learn to love themselves and to realize that, even if they loved Haise, Kaneki won’t love them the way they’d want him to, so that Mutsuki will be able to move on and to finally possibly consider someone else’s feelings. 

Finally, about Saiko, I agree that she doesn’t seem to be struggling, but maybe that’s because she too went through a difficult past with her previous family and learnt that someone at least needs to keep it together during tough times, otherwise everything is falling apart.
Maybe her turn will come next, since we still don’t know what happened to her brother (I’m thinking, especially if the Qs confronting Kaneki after the Dragoneki arc doesn’t go well since Haise was the first stone of Saiko’s new family)?

In the meantime, I’m glad Mutsuki managed to get the idea that they were still wanted, despite everything they did so far. Obviously it’s definitely going to be developed further later on, since they still need help and it’s barely the start of their redemption path anyway.