When we’re back to present, do you think our!Ciel will order Sebastian to kill real!Ciel after his imminent mental breakdown?

Hi Anon! Okay so, seeing how Ciel totally blames himself for what happened to his brother…

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I don’t think he will be able to face him at first, so I doubt he’ll be able to order Seb to take care of his twin either.

In fact, I hope that Seb will be absolutely irrelevant to how this confrontation will turn out for our!Ciel, because we know he’s not particularly good at being sensitive and helpful whenever our!Ciel faces his trauma (ch95 anyone? -_-).

It’s as I wrote here, I think this arc is supposed to help our!Ciel with confronting most of his issues surrounding his trauma and what happened with his brother, so I don’t see how Seb is supposed to be the means to an end here (unlike all the previous arcs before), not when he’s the one who ate the twin’s soul in the first place. 

No, in my opinion, if the twin is to die before this arc ends, then I think it’d make a lot of sense for him to be stopped by anyone but Seb. 

Obviously, right now the most symbolic ending for the twin would be to be stopped by our!Ciel himself, since that’d also imply that our!Ciel found enough strength within himself to face his brother despite how much he was blaming himself for his death, and a catalyst to such an ending could be Lizzie herself.

I mean, if the twin hurts/allows someone to hurt Lizzie (which I think is likely to happen) then…

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…in my opinion it could be shocking and despairing enough that our!Ciel would realize he has to stop his brother. 

Other candidates for the same job would be Soma (since the twin attacked him and Agni), Lizzie herself (since she realized a while ago in ch113 that she “couldn’t save the twin”), Ed possibly (if he’s angry enough should Lizzie be hurt) or Tanaka (since surely he’d notice that the twin hardly is the boy he used to be). 

So nope, Seb killing the twin again would just… not help our!Ciel with the fact he’s constantly blaming himself for what happened to his brother.
Seb can go face the other star Lords (like Polaris, who’s real!Ciel’s butler and who apparently was strong enough to kill Agni), or the mastermind behind the arc (UT? someone else?), but the twin isn’t going to be his call in my opinion. 

I hope it answers your question, have a nice day Anon!

Soma is such a cinnamon roll <3. Do you think he is going to forgive our Ciel? Will he stay caring and naive after the loss of Agni or he'll keep a more mature, serious nature/behavior?

Hi Anon! Okay, so I’m so sorry for the delay but Soma is one of these characters for whom I’m currently really uncertain about what will happen to him.

Personally, here’s what I want him to do…

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…which means that he’d learn about the 2CT and realize that our!Ciel had nothing to do with Agni’s death, that he’d stay by our!Ciel’s side despite everything that happened… because Soma is one of the few characters who really understand Ciel, despite Ciel keeping a lot of things to himself and sometimes acting harshly. 

In other words, Soma becoming the Diedrich to Ciel’s Vincent would be amazing, because Ciel needs more people like him and Lizzie in his life.
Of course Sieglinde and Edward are other characters who are slowly becoming closer to Ciel, but neither share the proximity that Soma has with Ciel in my opinion (Lizzie being yet on another level).

The problem (and the reason I’m not really certain of anything) is that Agni died. So, while I do think that Soma will most likely find out about the 2CT (thanks to Sieglinde and/or Ed probably), the question remains whether he’ll stay in England afterwards or not.

It’s a problem I initially had with Sieglinde back in the GW arc before Ciel made sure to save Wolfram, because how is Soma going to do on his own, without his khansama? Where will he live, what will he do?
That’s why I can’t exclude the idea that Sensei maybe intends on leading him back to India until the final arc or something… ://

Of course, it’d be a development that I currently am not fond of, because I want Ciel and Soma to bond even more, I want Soma to tell Ciel what he really thinks and I want him to stay, but if Soma stays now that Agni is dead and that it really shook him…

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it will possibly lead to Soma slowly becoming one of Ciel’s new Evil Nobles (so acting more serious indeed) and this might clash with what Agni wanted for his master. 

Agni wasn’t very happy when he realized how Soma was used in Ciel’s plan to take the Sphere Music Hall down so, if Soma still decides to become Ciel’s Agni after everything that happened, it will most likely lead to more schemes like this, which is also why I’m not certain of what Sensei wants to do with Soma.

In my opinion, there are two big possibilities once the twin is dead/this arc is over:

  1. Soma will stay and decide to become Ciel’s Agni at the end of this arc
  2. Soma will realize that Ciel didn’t kill Agni but he won’t be able to stay in England after Agni’s death and so we will say goodbye to him until at least the final arc.

For now I’m really hoping for #1, because I love Soma and I think that everything he said in ch126 is relevant + would be helpful to Ciel’s character (especially since him and Ciel do parallel each other), but Agni’s death is creating a lot of uncertainty. ://

Mainly it depends on what Sensei wants to do with Ciel’s character. I mean, if Soma stays because he’ll still want to be Ciel’s Agni, then it implies more positive development for Ciel. If Soma attacks Ciel or if Soma finds out about the truth but still decides to leave however, then Ciel will blame himself even more…

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and clearly this isn’t what he needs right now. ://

Sorry that this seems so confusing, Anon. I just… don’t know what’s more likely at this point. Hopefully Soma will stay, I truly hope he will for many reasons, but the master/servant dynamic is such a pattern in Kuro that, after being deprived of his, it kinda throws Soma’s character off-balance…

That’s why we’ll have to see what he does in this arc first, about the twin and about his anger. 

Have a nice day Anon!

Am I getting things wrong or are there two Rizes now? lab!Rize and dragon!Rize

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I actually have no idea and I’m DESPERATE to find out more. There are 3 most likely options here:

  1. lab!Rize is dead. Kanou transferred the “nucleus” from lab!Rize into Furuta, Kaneki consumed part of Furuta and the nucleus, dragon!Rize was reborn from the genetic coordinates within this nucleus.
  2. lab!Rize is alive and dragon!Rize is a clone made from the nucleus. There are now 2 Rize’s?
  3. dragon!Rize and lab!Rize are the same person. Kaneki’s dragon consumed lab!Rize and since she has the same kakuhou/kagune/Rc cells as Dragon, she has been healed/regenerated inside the egg

The way Rize said she was torn asunder and put into tiny coffins, as well as how her and Kaneki are now whole, I think number 1 is the one I’m leaning towards but HOOOO BOY I can’t wait to see what happened. Is she gonna help Furuta now? Is she conscious enough to have agency? Does she have memories of her past life??????

Itori & Sphinx

BTW, just lately I was wondering if what Itori is always drinking…

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wouldn’t be…

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what Sphinx dealt in with the CCG. 

I mean, she said…

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and yet she’s always seen drinking something. So yep, maybe it’s not blood wine but those liquid solutions, which would explain why she even offered some to Kaneki several times. 

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Besides, technically blood wine was introduced in the omake of vol12 and we’ve seen Itori (and Kaneki) drinking “blood” way before that.

What are your thoughts on our Ciel self-esteem (both past & present)? I don’t think it’s that bad as everyone claims to be, because what he stated in the latest chapter was not enterely wrong and our Ciel now is a pretty confident person (even though he still has to work on it) so I’d like to hear your thoughts on it!

Hello Anon! I don’t know though, you tell me…

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Because when I read this, I think our!Ciel’s self-esteem was rather very low, which would be why we’ve been talking about him having an inferiority complex as well as survivor’s guilt? 

As for currently…

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He does sound like he still has a rather crappy vision of himself, so I’m afraid it’s as bad as everyone claims it to be. :/

The thing is, I think it’s very important not to confuse our!Ciel’s “self-esteem” with his “resolve” based on his duality about initially wanting to make it all about his brother, except that it became mostly about him over the years:

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Our!Ciel’s low self-esteem implies that he thinks he’s a horrible human being mainly because “he sacrificed his brother” (when Seb more or less put this idea in his head because that’s not what happened), which means that he probably sees the contract as a fitting punishment for “the horrible person he is”

This also implies, as Soma pointed out in ch126, that he’s terrified of being happy because he didn’t come back for that and he thinks he “doesn’t deserve it” anyway.

About our!Ciel’s resolve now though, it’s definitely one of his strong points as a character compared to his self-esteem, which is possibly what you meant by “self-confidence”:

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Because considering what he went through, it’s really impressive that he decided to take on whatever he had to in order to make things right for his family (ch137) and then also for himself (since I don’t think he lied about that specific part in ch95), when a big part of himself probably just wanted to hide and never face the world again (as we could see during his PTSD episode of the Green Witch arc).

Obviously though, his low self-esteem and his strong resolve are linked, which is why he’s such an interesting character in the first place, since it’s because he has such a crappy vision of himself that he believes he has to make things right using all that he can, until the day his punishment finally comes in the form of Seb taking his soul too. 


TL;DR 4 years ago, our!Ciel convinced himself that he was a useless person who sacrificed his brother and that, both for his remaining family’s sake as well as real!Ciel’s, he should dedicate his life to becoming his brother and taking revenge for his sake (that’s the low self-esteem part). 

However, the strength he found within himself to do all of that…

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always always always was his from the very first day onward and that’s his resolve. 

So Anon, in the newest chapter, our!Ciel was wrong because he didn’t sacrifice his brother and his family would have

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welcomed him back very happily. That he convinced himself otherwise is all about having an extremely low self-esteem due to survivor’s guilt, or so I think for now. :3

I hope it answers your question, sorry for rambling and you have every right not to agree as always. Have a nice day!