Hi Anon and um sure, why not? But no offense I’m not really certain that so many fan artists particularly follow my blog? So… maybe post this in the tags or ask one or several other blogs fully dedicated to the series maybe?
All I’m saying it that it will probably lead to more results. :3 Anyway, I hope someone sees this, then!
I’m so happy! And I just know I’m going to cry next month when she finally speaks again (if Sensei changes to Falconia or Rickert and the Kushians tho I’ll just… akzjhbkezbjbrzek).
Have a nice day Anon, I can’t wait for next month! ^3^~~
Hey you know how we all figured Uta was a one-eye who tattoo’d his other eye to hide that?
What if he was a one-eyed ghoul, gained a second one from the spores, and they’re permanently active because of dragon.
TY for coming to my TED talk.
Not only that, I think it’s also implied that Furuta and Kaneki may be heading there as well. In the most recent art it’s Kaneki’s human eye that’s obscured and considering the blood it almost looks gauged out.
In contrast to say this, where Kaneki was clearly keeping only his human eye uncovered.
Whereas Furuta shares the same pattern in his art, in his colored cover for “Good News” he has his ghoul eye exposed and his human one obscured.
Then later on in the actual canon we see that Furuta’s ghoul eye is the only one that remains whereas his human eye is scarred as well as the entire left side of his face where his human eye once was.
It makes me wonder if the caption for Furuta’s colored page is relevant. “You’re going to continue on living? But you’ve never even experienced death.” Both One Eyed Kings are shown at point despite being ghouls themselves presenting themselves as more human than ghoul for various reasons.
So perhaps it’s a karmic consequence for the two of them for seeing themselves as more human than ghoul, that they end up losing their one remaining human eye.
The One Eyed King being a flawed title to begin with for those seeking to build a world of cooperation between humans and ghouls, as it relies on power and standing above others to accomplish that rather than communication and understanding of those around you. It’d be interesting then if all of the ones who have called themselves one eyed kings, can no longer be one eyed anymore by the end of this.
(Also the Odin symbolism, Kaneki having to gauge out his human eye and sacrifice it to finally be able to understand ghouls like he’s wanted to since the beginning of the series and not just the limited view he currently has).
(Also also, this could be what Uta’s role is if he truly is the original one eyed king. He’s associated with the sun tarot and illumination, and therefore he could guide Kaneki into realizing and accepting his place in the ghoul world instead of trying to rise above it as a king, just as Uta once did and Uta also craves to be in the center of things rather at the outskirts where he feels he belongs.)
(Also 3x combination, Uta is also quite literally eating an eyeball in the scene where his sun tattoo is first revealed as well).
You are not. Welcome to the club of people who think Furuta could live/want him to live. It’s not about what you deserve or don’t deserve in TG, after all. And Furuta had a truly, truly terrible life. I would prefer him not to follow in the footsteps of his brother and parallel, Arima, and commit suicide.
Basically there are two ways this ends: Rize eats Furuta, as he wants, and unlike where Kaneki said No and refused to kill Arima (as he wanted to commit suicide via a loved one exactly like Furuta), Rize gives Furuta what he wants. However, if this is to happen, the narrative really cannot have him die laughing. We saw Furuta’s mask slip in 146 when he and Ui were talking after the Dragoneki eruption, and we’d need to see more of that vulnerability (we’re probably getting flashbacks this next chapter), and also him realizing in the end that (just like Kaneki realized) it did not have to go this way.
However, the other way it could go is Rize refuses to eat Furuta, and he actually lives (those V agents are so dead though). He might not survive the aging (unlike the others) but for him to be denied the grand culmination of all his dastardly plans–his death, which is an affront to the series’ themes of living, even if it isn’t stylish–would be a fantastic thematic and character moment for Rize, because she’s always been a tool used by men and hated it, and I would just love for her to refuse to do what they want. Ishida also likes to fulfill foreshadowing through subversion rather than through the most obvious route.
There’s one part of this chapter and actually the last chapter that’s been bothering me. We know that our!Ciel was the one who called Sebastian, because Sebastian talks about a loud cry that called him.
Our!Ciel was also the one who had turned his back on God. After all, there’s actually one woman in the cult who’s actually praying for forgiveness.
So, it was definitely our!Ciel, yet Sebastian says something odd the first time he appears.
He asks who summoned him in the pursuit of pleasure, wealth, calamity, and tragedy. This doesn’t sound like our!Ciel in the least. He cried out in anguish. In fact, that sounds more like some of the others in the cult.
(Excuse the sloppy editing.)
So, why did Sebastian talk about pursuing pleasure, wealth, calamity, and tragedy?
I think they are two possibilities. One is that is what people usually call upon demons for, so this is what Sebastian expected. He only knew that he had been called on by a loud cry and by someone who had turned their back on God. He simply assumed that whoever summoned him would want such things – and it does fit with much of the cult. This could be even a bit of what Sebastian typically said upon being summoned – like a practiced speech.
But there is still a second possibility. Many of us have discussed at length Sebastian’s manipulation of our!Ciel in the way he convinced the kid that he was the one who sacrificed his brother. If not an out and out lie, it seems a tenuous connection at best. Even if our!Ciel did call him, he had no intention of offering his brother’s soul. He hadn’t been willing to pay that price.
What if Sebastian was including our!Ciel as being part of the cult?
He was combining their actions and their wants along with our!Ciel’s turning his back on God and his loud, anguished cry. It’s odd because our!Ciel was only the cult’s victim, but it appears that Sebastian may have lumped them all together – perhaps for his own convenience.
After all, Sebastian has been shown to be curious about people. While he’s good a manipulating, he’s ignorant at times to the way humans really think and feel. He has said they often surprise him. In truth, he may not understand our!Ciel’s motives in the least. He might have thought our!Ciel was like the members of the cult even if he was a prisoner and not a member. Honestly, it’s hard to say.
Either way, either Sebastian simply assumed that anyone who summons a demon wants pleasure, wealth, and tragedy or he was lumping our!Ciel’s cry with the intentions of the cult.
Hi Anon! Ah, actually, it’s something I think we’re bound to get an answer for once we go back to present time in the story and Lizzie finally reappears.
We know real!Ciel is violent (his attack against Soma and Agni proves it) and it seems that his childhood obsession about “staying with his brother forever” is as strong as ever, which might be the result of being brought back by UT’s “episode” method (whether or not UT is somehow partially involved in all of this)…
because whenever real!Ciel was envisioning his future as a child, as we know it always strongly focused on “staying together with his little brother”:
So it’s hard to really predict anything about what real!Ciel might do or say because, by making him attack Soma and Agni, Sensei introduced a very antagonistic character who can behave unpredictably.
Personally though, I’m suspecting that our!Ciel is the most important thing to real!Ciel right now, especially if he was brought back using UT’s “episode” method, because I suspect that real!Ciel’s episodes (yearning for a future) focused a lot more on his brother than on his future wedding to Lizzie.
However, I do think that Lizzie is a very important indicator to how much of an antagonist real!Ciel is going to turn out to be.
After what happened with Agni and despite what we know of the horrible circumstances of his death, if Sensei decides that real!Ciel is partially redeemable, then it’s going to be shown through real!Ciel never hurting Lizzie (should she decide to go against the blue sect at some point).
On the contrary if real!Ciel decides that Lizzie is getting in the way for one reason or another at some point, then him hurting her will sign another tough end for him, because Lizzie gave up a lot to take care of him ever since August (+ you just… don’t hurt Lizzie in general, not even Seb gets a free pass with our!Ciel if he does that and let’s not mention the Midfords).
TL;DR I don’t know if real!Ciel still holds Lizzie as dear as he did during childhood. The answer will depend on how much of antagonist he is going to turn out to be and will be measured by what his reaction will be if things don’t go the way he wants them to.
I hope it made sense, have a nice day Anon!
Honestly I think RC sees Lizzy as a possession. A trinket. Something that’s nice to have but not, strictly speaking, necessary.
Who is necessary?
His emotionally traumatized younger twin. I initially thought RC was returning with spite and ice-cold fury but considering how obsessed he was with OC in their youth, I’m not even sure if my malevolent “I must regain control of every aspect of the life that was/is rightfully mine” fits anymore.
Which is low(HIGH)key really disappointing.
At this point he may just want to kidnap OC and escape on a boat to Tijuana. Go around following OC Hannibal Lecter style.
Who knows at this point.
I miss villainous RC. cause I’ve already gotten cavities from how saccharine their fraternal relationship was
@cielizzydefencesquad I’m sorry about your headcanon Nina-chan, but yeah personally I do think that real!Ciel only cares about his brother right now. :3
Basically it’s real!Ciel =>> our!Ciel <=> Lizzie.
It’s a bit weird to describe it in such terms, but the little trio from their childhood that had real!Ciel in the center disappeared to make way for a normal dynamic between our!Ciel and Lizzie during the last 4 years, which was in my opinion made explicit by Sensei confirming that Lizzie fell in love with our!Ciel (and our!Ciel being extremely sensitive on the subject of Lizzie’s safety).
Not to say that Lizzie doesn’t care about the twin, because clearly she does, but I still think there is a huge difference between her feelings for real!Ciel in the past and her current feelings for our!Ciel, which is probably why we can never go back to a trio dynamic, even though real!Ciel has now returned and is crazy.
So yep, I think real!Ciel sees his brother as more relevant and valuable than Lizzie in his life, which “unfortunately” seems to be the opposite for our!Ciel from the way I read things (anyone remembers what happened to that vase in ch123?) and which means that if real!Ciel decides to discard Lizzie for getting in the way, our!Ciel might end up taking action against his brother.
Tinfoil hat, I would love it. As much as I want the original OEK to be Itori this does imply it’s Uta:
That just looks like Uta to me. (Donato=another possibility though.)
That being said, the vessel and nucleus idea you suggest is verrrry interesting and I would certainly not mind it–Itori’s mask seems unlikely to be random, after all. And if Itori and Uta do know more about how it worked last time (pretty likely) that could provide incentive for them to show up and warn people about what might really be going on–well not really the CCG, but certain people like Yomo.
@hamliet thank you for paging me, Kate-chan and Anon! :3
Actually, I kinda reblogged and added some thoughts on this very subject this morning (but OP is to thank for making a post about it in the first place ’cause I was too lazy to make my own) so yeah, I agree with Kate-chan that hints logically seem to lead to Uta for the moment.
I won’t lie tho, I’m such a fan of the Uta/Itori dynamic and the link they seem to share (+ Itori is such a lovely mystery too) that I did consider the same thing as Anon initially and frankly I’m not 100% ready to let go of this crack theory, namely because of Itori’s mask hinting that she’s a big player too.
Besides, didn’t Sensei just blow everything out of the water by revealing that Rize (and not Kaneki) was Dragon this week? So who knows, after all the snake on Uta’s tattoo has two heads and it would make more sense for Uta’s tattoos to be about 100 years ago than about the present (which was still the future for him when he got those tattoos). x)
Uta alone just makes more sense for now because (I think) it’s about having the same kakuhou (which is the case with Kaneki & Rize but maybe not Uta and Itori since I doubt they’re even the same RC cell types). Maybe. Ah well, who knows 😀
Here’s a short not well articulated kinda drunk sounding theory. It’s more like a collection of ideas really… I read a few theories and was also personally thinking about how Kaneki’s body is being purposefully used and then discarded only as kind of breeding vessel for a new phase and life cycle of dragon. And story wise that makes sense but I think that’s possibly only really because the natural process was kinda hijacked by using an artificial ghoul not because it’s natural for the life cycle of the dragon to truly kill the host.
Because I mean… Kaneki is an artificial dragon. In the case of the original OEK dragon (Well… it was called “Serpent" or Naga but same kind of being) the kakuhou and it’s DNA actually belonged to the natural born OEK, meaning the dragon was probably just trying to make a new clone of itself. (Probably Uta)
Like some weird fungus that feed off itself and tries to remake it’s host (which is also itself in the case of a ghoul) as well as creating more of itself. (What if it was turning humans into ghoul’s with it’s genetics so it could continue feeding on it’s own genetics like what triggered it’s creation in the first place)
Maybe the reason Kaneki probably doesn’t seem to have healed is probably because the dragon is supposed to recreate itself at the end of it’s life cycle since it’s original form is left worn out by the process. (Maybe in some weird biological attempt for the half ghoul body to rid itself of it’s human-ness it just kinda explodes in a mass of confused genetic data when confronted with an excess of it’s own RC cells and kakuhou and then recreates it’s self as a “pure” ghoul and all Kaneki’s human data was thrown out after numerous failed recreations though I have zero proof of that, I said this sounded drunk, I know only very little about biology also it doesn’t explain the “spores” turning humans into ghouls)
So even though it seems like it might have made some attempt to recreate him (see all the lifeless clones in the eye/eggs) probably because he was dragon’s originator and his kakuhou does (or did) seemingly store his genetic data perfectly enough to literally regrow parts of his brain with their memories intact (maybe it didn’t work recreating him for the same reason his arms didn’t grow back right his body was wearing down and the genetic copies were corrupted. Though if Nishiki’s theory about the telomeres being lengthened by a large influx of RC cells this concept it bull shit)
Unfortunately for Kaneki his kakuhou isn’t truly his and the kakuhou’s in the Furuta coffin children squad and “nucleus” definitely weren’t.
Or maybe Rize literally regrew from the nucleus in primordial soup of her own DNA and her RC cells that was dragon despite Kaneki being the dominate copy it tried to make initially. Maybe that’s why it remade her perfectly. IDK Because there had to be some precedence for the creation of the egg for Furuta to know about but I doubt the “nucleus” (whatever the fuck that is) of the original OEK was separate from him and then consumed and yet the egg was probably still somehow created if Furuta knew about it as a possibility.
Finishing writing this I can think of numerous reasons why saying all of this makes no sense and I’m just sort of spitting what comes in my head without researching because it’s 3 am and I can’t sleep. But maybe this will at least trigger a thought in someone else.
@littlemissymonster actually, this makes a lot of sense to me and this saves me the trouble of making a post because this is basically what I think too. 🙂
I agree with you, there should be yet another parallel between what Kaneki became in the current arc vs what happened with the Nagaraj 100 years ago, especially since Furuta admitted to being inspired by a legend/fairy tale…
except that as you said, where Furuta was expecting Rize to be “reborn” (because it was Rize’s kakuhou in the first place), the same OEG probably was recreated from the Nagaraj 100 years ago.
Here’s the thing for me: I find it’s really interesting that the kakuja tried to pull Kaneki back in…
…because it means that Kaneki being saved from his kakuja is just really the result of a big luck (starting from Tsukiyama being able to gather so many metal detecting devices in record time to the Qs helping Touka). Whereas 100 years ago…
…the original One Eyed Washuu very probably couldn’t be extracted from his kakuja which led to it turning into stone after its eyeballs were destroyed.
In other words, this is how I’d sum up this possibility based on a parallel between the Nagaraj and huge kakuja!Kaneki…
In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if Uta was “reborn” more than just once over the last 100 years, considering the flashback with Yomo (assuming he told the truth to Kaneki of course) + stuff like gasmask86 and it works also regarding those clones both he and Kaneki are able to make…
The biology details for how/why Rize could be reborn from Kaneki + the Oggai are a bit lost on me right now (even if I think that Kaneki not looking so well is possibly because all that he ate was used to fuel the kakuja and maybe recreate Rize), but if ghoulism is akin to parasitism, in the end it’s not so surprising that Sensei would introduce a life cycle (based on monoxenous development).
I’m sure Furuta or someone else will explain soon anyway but it’s fun to consider ideas. :))
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