Hey Anon! Ah, well, I don’t agree but you’re free to have your own opinion on this subject 🙂
Personally I don’t find the S4 to be that different from when they were in Weston, the only difference being that in Weston they were figures of authority and as such held a position of power, while now they’re more humble, because they’re helping Bravat in order to atone for the sins they’ve committed at Weston.
They’re full of good intention, no one can deny that, except that they’re too naive, but still, I think it’s amazing how their friendship survived through all of this.
Besides this arc makes it clear that it’s not about them but about wanting to be useful, so I find that this is a giant step forward in their characterization, even if they still don’t realize they’re pawns in someone else’s game.
That being said, you might be unhappy that Yana “bent their personalities”, but I personally never liked the one trope-one characterization thing (I mean the P4 were the biggest stereotypical characters of the whole cast so far) and I’m glad that they’re now a more homogeneous group, while still having their differences, because they’re still linked tightly even despite everything that happened.
I know it’s not a popular opinion but I like this arc even if the pace is super slow, just like I liked the Weston arc and I’m happy that the S4 are a part of it, even if it seems like it’s a redo of the Weston arc because they’re in the opposite side again.
As I was saying though, it’s just my opinion and I’m sorry if this feels like a cheap arc and cheap writing to you Maybe the next chapters will change your mind? I hope so in any case.
Have a nice day Anon!
Hey Anon!
Ah, I agree, they’re not bad characters per see even if they did commit a murder but they’re just really naive and that’s why they ended up making the wrong choice every time ever since the death of Arden. I pity them for just not realizing that they ended up making the exact same mistake as last time when they honestly wanted to atone for their crimes by bringing joy to others…
That’s why I think they’re tragic characters even if they might not be the most developed characters of the story. As for Violet, well… he definitely knows more than the others…
but the choice he made to just say nothing to the others is because he thinks his friends are happier not knowing the truth and he probably holds his friendship to them very dearly…
And besides, let’s be honest, I’m not so sure that if any of them intended to run away, Bravat would go “yeah sure ✮”, so there is that to consider as well.
Violet probably didn’t tell his friends because he wanted them to stay happy and because there was no way to escape Bravat and the Sphere music hall anyway, since Bravat knows exactly why they need to atone for their crimes.
As for Ciel’s plan, yeah I think that no matter the means (in our case, the Phantom Five), the same end was necessary to expose the Sphere music hall…
…because they became too popular so only something big with proof to make people acknowledge the truth would have worked. So what they needed was to catch anyone from the Sphere music hall handling a fresh corpse and for that, well, they needed at least one more death.
It’s just… very in character for Ciel in my opinion, even if people might call him awful for that.
I hope that answers your question Anon! Thanks for passing by and have a nice day/evening 🙂
Hey Anon! Ah, well, I don’t agree but you’re free to have your own opinion on this subject 🙂
Personally I don’t find the S4 to be that different from when they were in Weston, the only difference being that in Weston they were figures of authority and as such held a position of power, while now they’re more humble, because they’re helping Bravat in order to atone for the sins they’ve committed at Weston.
They’re full of good intention, no one can deny that, except that they’re too naive, but still, I think it’s amazing how their friendship survived through all of this.
Besides this arc makes it clear that it’s not about them but about wanting to be useful, so I find that this is a giant step forward in their characterization, even if they still don’t realize they’re pawns in someone else’s game.
That being said, you might be unhappy that Yana “bent their personalities”, but I personally never liked the one trope-one characterization thing (I mean the P4 were the biggest stereotypical characters of the whole cast so far) and I’m glad that they’re now a more homogeneous group, while still having their differences, because they’re still linked tightly even despite everything that happened.
I know it’s not a popular opinion but I like this arc even if the pace is super slow, just like I liked the Weston arc and I’m happy that the S4 are a part of it, even if it seems like it’s a redo of the Weston arc because they’re in the opposite side again.
As I was saying though, it’s just my opinion and I’m sorry if this feels like a cheap arc and cheap writing to you Maybe the next chapters will change your mind? I hope so in any case.
It’s not the first time it happened though, for example with Ran Mao’s eyes in different colored arts by Yana (from golden several times to black in the second artbook)
so in Violet’s case I’d go more for a mistake or a decided change to add contrast to Violet’s usual colors.
Not sure it’s a plot point, but it’s very nice readers noticed that in the first place. 🙂
Ah, yes I do think that Violet collapsing doesn’t sound like good news for Bravat and the Sphere music hall, for the reasons I mentioned earlier + because otherwise the arc would never advance haha. 🙂 And I’m thinking the S4′s reaction will be depending on how Bravat will react to Violet’s condition.
I think Bravat knows about the risks of taking too much blood out of someone…
So I doubt he will be that surprised, especially since I think the S4 are nothing more but pawns he uses how he sees fit, but the question is: did he realize how bad Violet’s condition was, or was he mistaken because the S4 train and dance a lot (meaning Violet’s condition went down faster because he was exhausting himself for the S4′s concerts)?
Anyway…
either Bravat will shrug and say whatever, but that would mean the S4 would try and leave immediately (+ that would mean no more boys’ band and that’s bad for the blood collect),
or he will pretend taking care of Violet so the other 3 won’t discover what’s really going on (but we readers will see more and more of his bad side).
If Bravat just shrugs it off, I could see the S4 finding a way to contact Ciel and asking him for help in exchange for information for example, but that’s if Bravat plays dumb and doesn’t make sure to keep a good grip on his 3 little crowd-pleasers (otherwise bye bye blood collect), so it’s definitely not the main possibility.
Ciel will probably learn soon about Violet’s condition though, since a lot of people saw what happened and could discuss it near or within the Funtom music hall, so maybe he will be the one making a deal with the S4 in Bravat’s back. 😉 (Or if not Ciel, I would even consider Nina realizing something is off about the S4 next time she visits the Sphere music hall)
Finally, let’s say the S4 really betray Bravat for Violet’s sake (something I could see easily when they were all ready to take a part of the blame after Greenhill killed Derrick), that would make Lizzie the only valuable person left within the Sphere music hall, just saying.
Don’t take it too seriously though Anon, because nothing might be accurate when the next chapter is out for all I know. I hope it’s still a little useful though. 🙂
Have a nice day!
Hey Anon! And that’s a very good remark. 🙂
Biologically speaking, Lord Sirius and Violet aren’t at such a risk since “Sirius” = type AB = universal recipients, meaning that they can receive from all the other blood types. However, Bravat doesn’t seem to know that, otherwise he wouldn’t have forced Violet to give so much of his blood to Lord Sirius so I really wonder how he is going to deal with losing Violet, yes…
He will probably allow Violet to rest before taking some of his blood again, but in the meantime he would still lack blood for Sirius… then maybe Bravat will resort to abduction?
He will test people for a positive “Sirius” reaction and bring them by force? People have already been killed because of the experiments so Bravat resorting to low methods to get what he wants would make sense… Besides, remember that we have two Shinigamis investigating and generally when Shinigamis are openly involved in the investigation part of the arc, that means a rather bloody development for the second part of the arc…
That’s why I think Bravat wasn’t expecting Violet to collapse, nor that it is a good development when it comes to his plans and I’m eager to see how he will react about this sudden change.
…Hey for all we know, he might have had a backup plan ready in advance just in case he knew Violet had given too much blood, it’s not impossible either.
So I’m sorry Anon, but I really don’t know how Bravat will deal with it, but him resorting to very low methods to get blood to Sirius wouldn’t seem like a weird guess. 🙂
Thank you for passing by Anon and have a nice day!
Hey Bio Anon, long time no talking to! 🙂
And that’s a good idea, something I hadn’t thought of! Though if Bravat really doesn’t want to mix blood types for “purity” reason, then what the last Anon said still is accurate: without Violet, he doesn’t have any conveniently “pure” blood donor who can match with Lord Sirius so he will have to resort to another… mean to get blood for Sirius.
So I think it all depends on what the experiments actually is: if Bravat just wants to maintain 4 people alive, he might not know about the ABO system and how Sirius and Violet are universal recipients. However, in case the experiment is more complicated than what it currently seems to be, then as you said, there is a chance he might have discovered about the ABO system and Violet collapsing will push him to do something wrong to get blood, which is how things might go downhill for the rest of the arc.
Thank you for sharing Bio Anon! And have a lovely day 🙂
Thanks for all the ideas Bio Anon! ^_^ You’re right he could start by taking more blood from regular “Sirius” guests, but if he needed Violet until now, even that option might not be enough…
Honestly I could see him messing up his cover by trying to get more blood for Sirius using one of the lowest options (abduction for example), and besides, taking more blood from regular “Sirius” guests is dangerous because that implies more possible problems and death and I believe he has to be careful with all the corpses that are already attracting Scotland Yard’s attention.
As I told you before, I also don’t think Yana-sensei will go more into the medical field for explanations (not when the Rh factor apparently doesn’t exist in Kuro!Verse), it’s way too complicated to get around (and I speak as someone who spends my afternoons of this week analyzing blood and marrow samples of people with actual haematological diseases: hella interesting but not fitting for explanations in manga).
So I can see BDs/old age or an experiment of the same kind, but surely nothing linked to the medical field of IRL. ^_^
Ah and you make a good point, one I discussed before (privately though, if I remember correctly, so obviously you couldn’t have known about it :)), but yeah for a corpse to turn into a skeleton, it generally takes IRL more time than what people believe because of what’s shown in fiction (movies mainly).
However, currently I have no way to know whether Yana-sensei also believes that a corpse can turn into a skeleton in only a few weeks or if she also researched on that and knows that decomposition takes time.
It’s always the same thing, sorry to be so annoying with that but we have no way to know what Yana-sensei knows about IRL biology related-stuff that she introduces in the story, so I’m just being careful and not analyzing too much stuff like the skeletons (which would indeed IRL mean that the experiments have been going on for a long long time) or the experiment.
Sorry, I know, I’m really a stick-in-the-mud :/// but I really appreciate you raising all those points for everyone else who might be interested in these questions.
Ah, yes I do think that Violet collapsing doesn’t sound like good news for Bravat and the Sphere music hall, for the reasons I mentioned earlier + because otherwise the arc would never advance haha. 🙂 And I’m thinking the S4′s reaction will be depending on how Bravat will react to Violet’s condition.
I think Bravat knows about the risks of taking too much blood out of someone…
So I doubt he will be that surprised, especially since I think the S4 are nothing more but pawns he uses how he sees fit, but the question is: did he realize how bad Violet’s condition was, or was he mistaken because the S4 train and dance a lot (meaning Violet’s condition went down faster because he was exhausting himself for the S4′s concerts)?
Anyway…
either Bravat will shrug and say whatever, but that would mean the S4 would try and leave immediately (+ that would mean no more boys’ band and that’s bad for the blood collect),
or he will pretend taking care of Violet so the other 3 won’t discover what’s really going on (but we readers will see more and more of his bad side).
If Bravat just shrugs it off, I could see the S4 finding a way to contact Ciel and asking him for help in exchange for information for example, but that’s if Bravat plays dumb and doesn’t make sure to keep a good grip on his 3 little crowd-pleasers (otherwise bye bye blood collect), so it’s definitely not the main possibility.
Ciel will probably learn soon about Violet’s condition though, since a lot of people saw what happened and could discuss it near or within the Funtom music hall, so maybe he will be the one making a deal with the S4 in Bravat’s back. 😉 (Or if not Ciel, I would even consider Nina realizing something is off about the S4 next time she visits the Sphere music hall)
Finally, let’s say the S4 really betray Bravat for Violet’s sake (something I could see easily when they were all ready to take a part of the blame after Greenhill killed Derrick), that would make Lizzie the only valuable person left within the Sphere music hall, just saying.
Don’t take it too seriously though Anon, because nothing might be accurate when the next chapter is out for all I know. I hope it’s still a little useful though. 🙂
Thanks for your prediction, and I could see that happening somehow. ^^
Especially for Violet, because he’s been giving his blood to Lord Sirius when the other S4 are not bothered on this point, or at least not as much as he is…
So he’s the one who’s the most at risk and I worry for him. :3
Honestly, from my point of view, either the S4 will be confronted to the truth because of Ciel’s intervention in the next few chapters or because Bravat won’t be too surprised when Violet collapses.
I doubt Bravat would let them face the harsh truth of the guests potentially dying at the Sphere music hall though, since they’re supposed to give people happiness after all, and besides…
…They seem to believe things are going smoothly for them for now (poor guys T_T), so I’d rather prefer the realization coming because of Violet collapsing or Ciel taking once more the role of the accuser. 🙂
Thank you for your thoughts, they seem rather accurate for me so now we just have to wait and see! ^^
Have a nice day and take care Anon! :)))
I’m not in a good mood so I felt like sharing, even if that was predictable ever since ch115 came out (as you can see with the post above).
In case you’re wondering, the chapter is only 20 pages long, with basically 5 pages of recap and this is the only thing worth mentioning that happens (Bravat and the S4 are the only ones who appear).
So between that and the fact that the Midfords were very probably replaced by the Double Charles in Book of the Atlantic (otherwise why are the Double Charles on the Campania in the trailer when the Midfords aren’t even shown?), I’m really not happy about Kuro today.
Not at all Anon :3 I remembered your accurate prediction and just added the spoiler on it 😀
Congratulations, you and everyone else were entirely right! ^_^
I’m sure he’ll be okay anyway (that’s another prediction lol) and I hope the S4 will betray Bravat to go ask for Ciel’s help (and hopefully that’s when Sieglinde’s research will be mentioned).
Rereading the arc, so just a few things to maybe ponder on or a few possibly interesting details.
The Queen visiting Sieglinde
A little mention towards the war subplot: the Queen is still all about using Sieglinde in her war against Germany. I already said once before that I think she definitely knows Ciel got rid of the “SULIN”, so she most certainly visits Sieglinde because she intends on getting her trust until Sieglinde won’t be able to refuse creating some stuff for Victoria, or something similar.
The Queen is clever and dangerous. Not that it’s anything new.
People of influence being patrons of the Sphere music hall, a link with Alexis Midford?
I think everyone already pondered about Alexis and Frances’ absence since the beginning of the arc because it’s been probably one month and a half since Lizzie ran away from home. So plot convenience or not, I’m wondering if there could be a link between their absence and a good number of Lords being involved with the Sphere music hall?
Alexis is the leader of the Knight Order after all and I’m guessing many Lords are Knights. Ciel himself received something from him when he got his title of Earl from the Queen…
This is a theory we discussed at the beginning of the arc with @darkspellmaster, so all that to say that maybe Alexis, as the Head Knight, will have a role to play in regards to what’s going on within the Sphere music hall and maybe that’s why Yana didn’t mention either him or Frances ever since the beginning of the arc.
The S4 only want to atone for their sins by making people happy
I don’t know how Bravat got to meet with the S4
(if UT is involved, maybe through the “pact” the S4 made with UT when they killed Derrick and co) but it’s obvious that he is using their regrets and wishes to atone for their crimes to manipulate them as his pawns.
I don’t know if the S4 told him what they did and he gave them a new purpose, or if he “knew in advance” like for Lizzie, Ciel and Sebastian (in that case, the person who told him all that about those seven characters is someone who knew all of them, and then again UT is the most likely possibility), but it’s really sad that the S4 only want to make people happy and don’t seem to notice
(Violet aside probably) how they will follow Bravat if he falls.
I wish the F5 could maybe talk with them, but as this point, I doubt they’d listen, because they’re too enthralled by Bravat.
Why Nina as the Sphere music hall’s taylor?
Why the enthusiasm? I mean, I think Nina is indeed extremely talented but since she’d have initially refused, how come they only wanted her?
Because she’s innovative and not so traditional? Because of plot convenience so Ciel would have one way of getting info because Nina’s family knows about the Phantomhives’ duty? Because of… another reason?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Lizzie’s different outifts
I know many people wrote about Lizzie’s different outfits, but I just find interesting how those two panels are just completely the opposite to one another: ribbons, earrings, gloves, bracelet vs no bracelet, swords, simple dress vs an elegant one (that is also different from what she usually wears as well)…
I wonder why sometimes she wears the simple dress (when she goes giving her blood for example) and why she wore the elegant one as well as all her other accessories when she fought Sebastian.
We can also wonder why she’s barefoot in the middle of the day (for example when she goes to see Ciel in ch113 as he’s asleep and giving his blood) and what she even does of her days at the Sphere music hall in the first place.
It’s obvious she isn’t like the S4 or the other people welcoming the guests giving their blood and, as I was saying, since she often was wearing the dress on the left during the middle of the day, she’s not always carrying her swords around…
We still have quite the huge mystery on her side of the subplot, huh…
Ciel as a great businessman
This one is more of an ascertainment that if Ciel hadn’t gone through… well, everything that he went through, he would have probably been all about business during his life, because he seems to completely enjoy this (and he does understand customers well).
I just find this cute when he’s so passionate. No need to wonder why the Funtom corporation (his company, that he created after becoming Earl Phantomhive) works so well, it’s not just sheer luck.
Maybe the next chapters will change your mind? I hope so in any case.
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