we’ve watched Our!Ciel go through so many emotional breakdowns before in the manga but for some reason this one is way worse because he can’t even speak, he’s just standing there watching everyone slowly turn against him and regressing back to the shy, scared little kid he was when his brother was still alive
Hello Anon! Well, the last time we truly saw Lizzie was in ch116/117 and…
…She seemed more worried about stopping Seb from going to the labs rather than fighting against a real demon, so no, I don’t think that she knew at the time.
Of course, there is still a possibility that ever since ch117 Bravat or real!Ciel told her about Seb’s true nature (since Bravat definitely knows and real!Ciel seems to know as well that Seb is the demon who ate his soul 4 years ago), however, assuming that Lizzie is most likely seen as a pawn to hurt our!Ciel [x]…
…it would be wiser of Bravat and co not to tell her, in my opinion.
Lizzie is currently conflicted about making the right choice between her duty (real!Ciel) and her feelings (our!Ciel) [x][x] so, should Bravat tell her that our!Ciel sold his soul to a demon, she would probably be sadder at the idea of losing him and it could push her to disregard her duty in favor of her feelings.
It might not appear blatant, but I’m guessing that arguing that real!Ciel was in poor “health” is probably the argument that won Lizzie over when it comes to her running away from home:
She decided that she would be here for him, because he was in dire straits, and then she stayed because he is her rightful fiancé.
Lizzie is most likely the ace of Bravat’s side, because she definitely is the person our!Ciel cares the most about (it’s even how Bravat referred to her), which means that they can’t afford to have her changing sides. So, not telling Lizzie about Seb to keep her thinking that real!Ciel needs her the most (on top of her doing her duty) is the most logical.
Maybe she’ll know before the end of the arc though if, for instance, she changes sides and a very angry real!Ciel drops another bomb on her: the boy she loves not only lied about his identity but he also sold his soul to a demon and won’t live old.
TL;DR no, I don’t think she knows for now. 🙂
I hope it helps, have a nice weekend Anon!
Hello! It’s a very good and possible idea, though ch117 gave no hint of Elizabeth feeling particularly angry at Sebastian in my opinion, except maybe for…
this scene.
You can hardly even say that she meant to kill him though: she knew he was strong so she attacked him because he was trespassing and her only reason for doing so was because she was being Gandalf 2.0 “I shall not let you pass”.
In my opinion, all she wanted was to protect the lab, most likely because she was told that it was very important to real!Ciel’s survival (since it has all the blood and all), but maybe you’re right and the “you dare ask why” part is supposed to hint that real!Ciel/Bravat told her that Seb “did something to real!Ciel, 4 years ago”.
It’s possible, thanks for sharing your thoughts Anon! 🙂 Have a nice day.
Hey Anon, as I was saying just above, frankly I’m not sure about “killing intents”. First of all, she was obviously very confused, but for me the reason she attacked Seb was
because she was aware of how strong he was
and she did it to protect the labs, for real!Ciel’s sake.
It doesn’t mean that she doesn’t care about our!Ciel anymore, it just means that at the time she thought she had no choice when she took the decision to be by real!Ciel’s side (even if we know that it makes her unhappy). Without attacking Sebastian in order to stop him, he surely would have wasted no time discarding her to the side to go to the labs. And again I just don’t think she knew he was a demon in ch117 because she didn’t show fear for her sake, which she should have if she had known he was a demon.
Anyway, Anon, Lizzie is bound not to be friendly with Sebastian until the end of the manga. She might not know about his nature or the contract with our!Ciel right now but, narratively speaking, she’s bound to know at some point and, when she finds out, she won’t trust or like Sebastian anymore.
TL;DR I think she attacked Seb in ch117 because her goal at the time was “protecting the labs” (and thus helping real!Ciel by doing so). She might have been told that Seb did something to real!Ciel 4 years ago, but I don’t think she was in to kill him, that she knows he’s a demon or about the contract.
Also Lizzie definitely still cares about our!Ciel. 😉
I hope it helps, have a nice day!
It’s okay Anon 🙂 I see which scene you’re talking about:
How about what the second Anon said above as an explanation then? Lizzie doesn’t know that Seb is a demon or about the contract but Real!Ciel told her…
…that Seb did something to him 4 years ago, without telling her the entire truth.
Telling Lizzie that Seb is a demon or that our!Ciel sold his soul to him wouldn’t be the wisest move to make
(in my opinion)
for reasons I explained in the first post. However, if Lizzie is really a pawn to use against our!Ciel, then she’s definitely emotionally manipulated as well.
So, real!Ciel (or Bravat) could have said that Seb did something to him, or even worse, that our!Ciel allied with Seb in order to get rid of him (which is a hugely distorted version of the truth), which would explain why Lizzie is so heartbroken and depressed.
Think about it, it might not be just the fact that our!Ciel lied that’s making Lizzie so sad: I wouldn’t be surprised if real!Ciel had distorted the truth to make her choose his side, since she’s the best person to hurt our!Ciel (here’s a friendly reminder that the twin is a villain by the way [x]).
Back to your question, with this theory and her being confused and emotionally exhausted in mind, maybe she almost went for a kill then. It’s definitely possible, all I’m saying is that I doubt her heart was 100% into it, due to her being completely lost as to what to do and feel for a long time.
Overall, the interpretation of ch117 depends on what exactly Bravat/Real!Ciel told Lizzie about our!Ciel and Seb. Nonetheless, I hope this explanation works a little better for you?
Have a nice day Anon. 🙂
Post from last year but reblogging because on point with the latest chapter.
To me this part was super important. I’m sick and tired of people saying Tsukuyo is weak and useless. Gin himself said that she’s strong. I repeat, he said that she’s strong. She’s not only strong physically but mentally also. Gin himself sees Tsukuyo’s strength.Tbh I don’t understand what y’all are reading with ‘cause it certainly isn’t with your eyes. What? She’s useless and weak because she fell in love? lololol. Time and time again Sorachi has shown how love doesn’t make someone “weak”, and instead it’s actually something so beautiful. Do you have any idea how much strength it takes to embrace feelings?Y’all basically have the same twisted mindset as Jiraia (who btw is the villain js). Tsukuyo doesn’t fret over her feelings for Gin 24/7. She is an individual with her own mind and her own drive. She is much more than a love interest. She is an independently strong character on her own. Stop bashing on her and trying to spread damn lies that she’s weak ‘cause Sorachi sure as hell doesn’t see her as weak. Y’all are starting to sound like broken record players. Miss me with that bs.
i have always liked this shot of them… but it was such an oddity at the time this was released, because they didnt interact much. BUT! after the recent chapters, this scene is no longer all that strange. thanks, sorachi. ❤