midnight-in-town:

Hello :3 Haha, well, I’m currently in a love/hate relationship with this theory. xD 

I mean, I like it a lot because it’s the first one I published on my blog, because it’s an interesting plot twist on many aspects and because it gives UT a name, but at the same time… at this point, with what we know, it makes theorizing about UT and the P family so much more complicated than it has to be. xDD

For example, if UT = Cedric, then…

• was he Claudia’s husband? Or was he Claudia’s lover?

Because if he was her lover and she was married to another man, it makes this less complicated than him being openly in a relationship with her (since he died centuries ago and all).

I mean, we don’t know yet when UT got his scars, it’s possible it was only during or post Claudia’s time as the Watchdog, so he would probably stand out less without them and a wedding to Claudia could work in this aspect, especially since the Phantomhive family’s position in society is a special one. 

However, Yana hinted before that Claudia was Vincent and Frances’ last parent, since Tanaka is apparently the one who stepped up as the parental figure after she died, so in that case… 

• did UT and Claudia have a fight at some point, about the Watchdog duty maybe, which led to UT leaving? Until he found out that she died and he was angry with himself for not being able to save her?

In the first place, I never envisioned the UT/Claudia possible romance to be something full of rainbows and singing birds. On the contrary, since it seems that she and Ciel shared some similarities… 

…I’d rather say that, if their feelings were mutually shared, UT probably had as much trouble with Claudia as Lizzie has had with our!Ciel until now.

So anyway, once he was unable to be there for Claudia at the end, that would be when he possibly decided to stick by the Watchdog’s side and became “the Undertaker”, in order to avoid another similar situation with Claudia’s successors.

And in that case..

• I’m not sure what Vincent and Frances remember about their dad (in the theory of UT = Cedric = husband), or if they even knew him at all (in case

  UT = Cedric = lover)

• I’m not sure what UT’s role was during Claudia’s time as the Watchdog, but it’s possible that at some point he became fed up with her job

which led to him leaving Claudia, only to come back too late when he found out that she died/was killed, becoming the Undertaker and Vincent’s second evil noble afterwards. 

That’s why, you know, I personally find that this theory possibly fits with Yana’s concept of son => mom and daughter => dad, for UT/Frannie/Ed [x] [x]…

…as you said, but besides that, it’s a real pain to deal with sometimes. xDD

I do think that both Vincent and Ciel remind UT of Claudia, as he expressed in ch32 or even when he said that overall, Ciel was different from his ancestors. 🙂
I think that he could also be very fond of both Frances and Lizzie since it was hinted that they might share similar personality traits with Claudia…

…but the Midfords are generally less involved with the Watchdog’s duty and anyway, I’m not so sure UT and Frances would or did get along very well. ^^”

Sorry for rambling, as you can see I like this theory, I’m just not sure of how it played out yet, because there are way too many possibilities and it’s annoying, haha. Anyway, UT’s character and personal story are probably on a similar level of sadness as Ciel’s, since I find they seem to parallel each other rather well for now, but we’ll have to wait some more.

Thanks for passing by Anon and have a nice day!

Hi Anon! Actually,

I strongly doubt

UT deserted because of Claudia or another human in particular. Rather I’d say that part of his desertion is linked to…

becoming seriously fed up with his condition since, prior to even leaving, UT was being morbidly curious about the process of life & death (which later led to the Bizarre Dolls, probably because he lost a few humans he had grown fond of), probably because he lived this existence for too long.

Also, since “50 years ago” seems to have been a big case though, if just considering Othello’s involvement, maybe a part of his decision is linked to whatever happened back then?

Anyway, considering that the family tree we saw was coming from the Shinigamis’ files…

…I’d say that what’s written in there comes from studying the cinematic records of Ciel’s relatives, meaning that it’s most likely the truth and so:

• Cedric (whether he is UT or not) is Vincent’s (and Frances’) dad
• Cedric K. Ros is a real identity

If you want a comparison, check ch35 for when Will looks at Joker’s CR: he said that Joker’s real name wasn’t recorded, so really, I think we are supposed to trust what’s written in these files, meaning that whoever reaped Vincent probably said something like:

“Vincent Phantomhive, born June 1851, died December 1885 from extensive haemorrhaging. Son of Claudia Phantomhive and Cedric K. Ros…….”

Where I agree with you is that UT wasn’t always called “UT” unless, like Joker, we’re assuming he never received a name from birth, but we have no way to be sure of that for now.
So UT’s real identiy must be known by some of his old colleagues (like Othello, very possibly) and we’re bound to find out about it eventually.

Whether UT was known as “Cedric” by Claudia and other humans or not though, that I don’t know, but  if Cedric K Ros is indeed UT, then it’s most likely his real identity. As for when/how he became “the Undertaker”, for now I too think it happened after Claudia died, just like I think that it’s possible his scars might come from approximately the same time. :))

I also agree that, considering that Claudia held a special position, both as the Watchdog and probably head of her family despite being a woman, she had enough ways and shady power to create a social background to UT/”Cedric K. Ros”, which would have made it possible for him to marry her despite being dead for centuries…

…especially since he seems to know well enough how to act proper amongst high society. 

Finally, if we go by what Yana explained about how she drew the Phantomhive and Midford families, then it means Frances took after Cedric [x] while Vincent took after Claudia, but I do agree that Vincent and UT share a mocking/funny vibe [x]…

but then again that might just be because they both like to laugh and it doesn’t have to be a hint that they’re blood related. x)

Sorry for rambling Anon, I hope it was understandable! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and have a nice weekend. :))