Hi Anon! First of all it’s not my theory, several people noticed about the headphones maybe being the same (nothing is certain), but yes I remember about that. 🙂
TBH, I think the reason was that he possibly had a similar speech pattern to Hide but, if I remember correctly, that idea was dropped before we even knew Gasmask 86 was Uta.
The thing is though, for a while after we learnt that Gasmask 86 = Uta during Cochlea, I wondered if the mask might not have been both of them, not because Uta would have pretended to be Hide beneath the mask but because…
in ch43, Gasmask 86 apparently was blond (which Hide’s hair color, not Uta’s current one).
However, I have no conclusion to offer for this, because Uta could have put on a wig, just like maybe it really was Hide in ch43 & Uta during the Cochlea raid and they shared the mask because they’re pals who share a common goal (I mean, look at the headphones).
So I don’t think Uta spends his days impersonating Hide. If it happened in the story, it possibly was in the sewers just before V14, because they had a common agreement about Kaneki or something. Or it might happen in the future. Uta had no reason to pretend being Hide and then hide behind Gasmask 86, that’s what I mean. xD
“Gasmask 86″ is something I’m keeping in mind, but for now it’s like everything else, maybe it’s a hint towards something precise or maybe it’s not. :))
Thanks for reading Anon and have a nice day!
Hi Anon and thanks!! Was it this one by any chance because it’s the only one I found that might match?
We will have to see, I don’t know if I’m supposed to take this drawing as a hint or not. That’s always the problem with symbolism I guess (even if the three dots thing at least seems to be consistent). xD
Thanks again for sharing though! I’ll keep it in mind too. 🙂 Have a nice day!
Okay Anon-chan, here we go with a list of hints :)) Just keep in mind nothing is certain for now:
The family tree
The hint is in how the birth and death dates for Cedric don’t show the years because, being a shinigami for a long time and deserting only 50 years ago, UT as Cedric wouldn’t have lived during the 19th century but way earlier, which is possibly why Yana hid the years. 🙂
You don’t have to agree that it is a hint, but Sensei included a very similar hint for the 2ct on that tree too (it was only half-hidden that Vincent had two children), so… 🙂
Another hint would be that we never saw the shadow of Cedric K. Ros (unlike Claudia whose shadow we saw twice) while UT’s real name is still unknown, so if you associate the two you get that maybe UT’s real identity is Cedric K. Ros.
…it’s possible that UT’s ring initially belonged to the P family and was part of a set with the ring Ciel currently wears: maybe the blue ring is the Watchdog’s ring while the white ring belonged to the Watchdog’s spouse?
So in the idea that UT = Cedric and thus was romantically involved with Claudia, it would explain why he has this ring in the first place, because he kept it all these years due to what this ring represents to him.
EDIT: careful with that point, because it could also be a ring that UT kept from his previous life. All I’m saying is that this ring is supposedly a symbol of nobility and that there might be a hint to it, depending where it comes from.
UT’s weird devotion towards the P family and still mourning Vincent
Also works even if UT isn’t Cedric K. Ros though, but I might as well mention it anyway. I explain my opinion in this post. 🙂
One of Yana’s recent sketches could be a hint, according to an Anon who shared their thoughts
and you can read Anon’s analysis as well as my answer here.
Drawing similarities?
This is relating to what Yana once explained:
“The Phantomhive siblings, Vincent and Frances, share the same concept as the Midfords siblings, Edward and Lizzie, i.e. I draw them with the typical image of “girls take after their father, boys after their mother” in mind. So maybe Ciel’s grandfather looks like Edward 🙂 -Toboso”
Again, it’s really subjective but I decided to make comparative sets for UT & Frannie and UT & Ed just to see what it would give…
and for me it works, but you’re free to have a different opinion!
Hair similarities?
This is from my most recent post, including @the–dark–crow–smiles‘ interesting input, about Frannie (and thus Lizzie) possibly taking her free curled strand of hair after UT, thanks to the shadow of what he looked like before he became UT:
Aaaaaaand I think that’s it so far? So you see, nothing particularly conclusive, just shallow hints but I like ‘em, even if the Cedric = UT theory can be a pain sometimes. :))
I hope it’s helpful, have a nice day Anon!
EDIT: Personal timeline for UT as Cedric (can change):
came back as “the Undertaker” to work for/keep an eye on Vincent (at least 3 years after he became the Watchdog)
** => another idea is that he didn’t leave after Claudia’s death but before, because he couldn’t stand watching her destroy herself because of the Watchdog’s duty, but then he found out about her death and it follows back to the rest of the timeline.
(I think there is a chance that him getting scars everywhere is lowkey related to Claudia’s death tho’ and in that case that would mean he left after her death)
Haha, no worries Anon, but yeah I think we’re not going back to present time before the end of March’s chapter (see below), which means basically that we won’t address the mysteries of the current arc again before at least April if not May, if April is a recap chapter (like ch121).
Don’t worry though, I’m like you, the curiosity is killing me, especially about the truth behind the blue sect but the flashback is also a very important part of the story, even if there isn’t exactly anything new.
It’s still extremely useful to confirm what was implied before, since not everyone agrees about how Seb was summoned, if Ciel really sacrificed his brother and what happened to real!Ciel’s soul, so I’m satisfied with the content of these last chapters (despite the horror of it all).
Once we get back to present time though, then like you, I hope the pace will pick up a bit now that we’re fully into what’s going on, otherwise it’s going to be a little annoying. ^^”
Thanks for passing by and have a lovely day too Anon, I hope your week is going well! :))
Hi Anon and don’t worry your English is great. :33
Ah, well, apparently the chapter is going to be 30 pages long, so basically I was thinking it was going to depict the whole month that they spent with that horrible cult until the day of the sacrifice and that would include all the different parts of previous flashbacks that I mentioned in the link you saw.
In my opinion all of these moments can take up to 30 pages, because Yana’s goal precisely is to build up to the absolute despair that our!Ciel felt during this whole month, with the culmination of it all being the twin being killed in front of his eyes which led to Seb being summoned (this being February/March chapters in my opinion).
There is also something else I want to check during this chapter, but since it’s just a very cracky idea I’d rather not tell unless I somehow turn out to be right (I think there is a 95% chance I’m wrong hahah, that’s why I’d rather not make it confusing now, since the chapter is out tomorrow).
We will see soon anyway, but yeah I think that:
ch136 is about that one month during the cult and it ends on the day of the sacrifice
ch137 will be about the day of the sacrifice and real!Ciel’s death, with a cliffhanger about Seb showing up
ch138 will be the last part of the flashback, with Seb making that contract with Ciel, annihilating the whole cult and Ciel literally taking the ring from his brother’s tummy before going home, with the chapter possibly ending back on present time and our!Ciel having a breakdown
I might be completely wrong too, so take it with a grain of salt and we will see what will happen on Thursday. :))
Kaneki, Hide and Uta in the sewers by @kingkishou [x][x]
honestly i love all these theories
Insane theory 2.0: what if Kaneki isn’t the one who hurt Hide’s mouth/throat to the point he could hardly talk without an equipment, because
either he only met Uta (or one of his kakuja clones, but same deal) in the sewers,
or there were two Hides, but Kaneki only ate the one who was actually Uta?
Meeting Uta in the sewers would explain the possible weird thing going on with Kaneki’s right eye during V14 (please see @kingkishou‘s theory I linked to above) + why Uta had Kaneki’s mask in :Re, despite Kaneki throwing it away in the sewers (even if, of course, Uta could have also simply done another similar mask between TG and :Re since he’s the one who crafted that mask anyway).
And in that case, instead of Kaneki, maybe the one who did something to Hide’s mouth/throat, way after V14 (which is to say between TG and :Re) is…
…Eto? After all we know Eto and Hide possibly have/had a link ever since this scene:
and we still haven’t received an explanation for these stitches Eto did on people.
but the Hide Kaneki saw and the Hide he ate (which is the part we have yet to see) were two different persons. Or he saw and ate the same Hide but it was actually Uta all along.
What I find interesting in this theory, besides more answers about some stuff Eto did, is that we know Kaneki is going to blame himself so much for what he did down in the sewers, so imagine if in fact he’s not responsible at all for this. xD Mind blowing for poor Kaneki really.
(also “Hide” not being Hide in the sewers but Uta would explain how “Hide” managed to escape after Kaneki started eating him)
There is something so neat about UT’s design… well, before he became the Undertaker we know. If you look closely, here’s what you can notice:
long coat, falls way below the knees
heels and a lil bow on his shoes that probably aren’t boots
a ribbon forming a bow on the back of his coat
another ribbon holding his long hair in a ponytail
he had bangs back then too
finally, free from the ponytail there appears to be a shorter strand of hair that just falls on the left side of his face
((I find it’s kinda reminiscing of Frances/Lizzie’s curled strand, even if for them it’s on their right side, but you guys know my bias for this theory xD))
This is my personal opinion but I’d say he has no visible scar and wears glasses, even if we can’t notice that on this shadow. :))
What makes you think that his strand of hair is not on the right side, too? I have a headcanon that it is the same
strand of hair
on the right, like that of Frances/Lizzie
@the–dark–crow–smiles excellent point! Since it’s a shadow, it’s indeed hard to say whether the strand of hair is on his right or left side, so maybe you’re right…
@coromoor u know i think you might be right and Hide forgot them here, since Uta has been playing chess with someone and we still don’t know who xD
When I first saw the headphones in Uta’s shop, I thought it was a little strange that the panel focused on them. But now seeing Hide’s headphones with the same cross on the ear piece, I really think he did leave them there at Uta’s shop. That would also explain how Kaneki’s mask and Hide’s book were sent to Sasaki at the same time, if they kept in contact.
Hide and Uta playing chess is a VERY interesting premise hey >:)
Well, as always we can’t be sure that there is a link but it’s true Sensei possibly focused for a reason on these headphones
so yeahhhh I agree, especially when you add the possible link to the 24th ward between Hide showing the three dots thingy and Uta possibly being one of the two OEGs who ended up there after a fight with the old CCG or V.
Besides, the two most shady characters playing chess together has such a nice vibe to it, considering that I think @kingkishou is right and we’re still missing an important point about what possibly happened during the sewers…
Best part of the whole theory gotta be how that proves Hide’s shady agenda, which is great because it makes him such a more compelling character than the perfect friend on a pedestal a part of the fandom makes him out to be.
There is something so neat about UT’s design… well, before he became the Undertaker we know. If you look closely, here’s what you can notice:
long coat, falls way below the knees
heels and a lil bow on his shoes that probably aren’t boots
a ribbon forming a bow on the back of his coat
another ribbon holding his long hair in a ponytail
he had bangs back then too
finally, free from the ponytail there appears to be a shorter strand of hair that just falls on the left side of his face
((I find it’s kinda reminiscing of Frances/Lizzie’s curled strand, even if for them it’s on their right side, but you guys know my bias for this theory xD))
This is my personal opinion but I’d say he has no visible scar and wears glasses, even if we can’t notice that on this shadow. :))
What makes you think that his strand of hair is not on the right side, too? I have a headcanon that it is the same
strand of hair
on the right, like that of Frances/Lizzie
@the–dark–crow–smiles excellent point! Since it’s a shadow, it’s indeed hard to say whether the strand of hair is on his right or left side, so maybe you’re right…
I can’t remember when we got the scene that you mentioned, but I am starting to draw some links between Hide and Uta, now that you mentioned it, and I think they may potentially be or have been involved in some way.
Firstly, the fact that these two covers seem linked by how opposite they are to eachother.
Uta’s holding up one finger while Hide is holding up two. They’re both facing opposite directions and Uta is looking away while Hide is looking directly at the viewer. I’d even go as far as to say that the top half of Uta’s face is covered while the bottom half of Hide’s face is covered, and Hide’s headphones also seem to be the same colour as the flowers on Uta’s cover.
Not only that, but if we go all the way back to chapter 31.5 of :re, you’ll recall that Haise was sent Kaneki’s mask from Uta together with a signed copy of the Hanged Man’s McGuffin, presumably the copy that Hide had bought for Kaneki back in part one.
It seems to me that we might be getting subtle hints about Uta and Hide having a potential connection, and now that it’s pretty much confirmed that Uta is the original One-Eyed King, who has also been confirmed to be a Washuu, it seems like more connections can be made between Hide and the Washuu, potentially even connections bound by blood.
@hidewari I totally agree with everything you noticed, especially when Hide has this possible link to the 24th ward too + recently there was a Yomo & Uta // Touka & Hide possible parallel [x]. :))
I also just wanted to say that Anon’s very possibly 100% right: these headphones seem like they could be relevant…
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