k-kuja:

linkspooky:

acesenpaimissyou:

k-kuja:

k-kuja:

YO, WHAT? WHAT? I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS

OKAY I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS IN PARTICULAR.
Uimhir a hAon: fucking, WHAT?

Uimhir a dó: fUCKIN, WHAT?!

Can someone please explain?

If there is an element of truth to the wild accusations of everything being his fault that Rize throws at Kaneki, is that he did not have any clear plans for the future or an idea what he wanted. I went over this before, but basically Rize pokes holes in his plans easily. So much so that it looks like either result for him was not that well thought out.

Kaneki’s decision to wait where they were safe in the 24th ward resulted in all of them being boxed in and raided by the CCG, the so called “Kouryugi” operation. However, even when he suggests that they could have done the total opposite, they could have ambushed the CCG and raided them for real before the raid ever happened he’s met with this result.

What Rize points out is that Kaneki clearly does not want this result either, he does not want to beat the CCG into submission and make them submit to his will. Kaneki abhors violence and bloodshed, so even if he had made up his mind to make the completely opposite decision, because of Kaneki’s own lack of forethought as to what would come next it’s likely he would have resulted in a similiar place. 

Kaneki is not thinking things through, it’s a complex problem and Kaneki cannot solve it by simply rushing forward. Even his own choice to rush forward that he had no choice but to keep moving forward is poked a hole in by Rize, who casually points out he could have chosen to do nothing instead. 

This isn’t true obviously, but it’s important to notice the contrast. Kaneki insisted he had no choice but to keep moving forward, whereas Rize brings up the opposite. He could have done nothing. It’s to poke holes in that mindset.

The problem this chapter in part is highlighting is that Kaneki does not think things through to their deepest extent, and when he charges forward with these half formed ideals in mind he ends up with results he does not want. Then there is the bottom line, because of this Kaneki does not know exactly what he wants. He knows in vague terms maybe… 

The point of paralleling this with what Ui said to Take is that we had a similiar question asked of Take a few chapters ago.

Is this really what Arima wanted? Was this the result of his plan? Take however does not know, because he bases his decisions on what Arima asked of him and Arima is not there. Arima is dead and therefore unable to answer the question. To begin with though, Arima and Eto’s ideal world was extremely vague. It basically went “Not this one.”

So a few chapters later in an arc where it was asked the question “Is all of this destruction what Arima, wanted?” and pointed out that without Arima around the two heads of Zero Squad fell into a needless conflict with one another. An arc that’s been establishing so far that maybe it’s a good idea to figure out what you want before running into the fight.

We have a ghoul and human alliance being formed for the reason of “mmmmmhhmm” and the goals of “mmmyeahhhhh.” The fact that Ui asks again if this is what Take wanted and Take kind of… doesn’t answer is more evidence that these characters aren’t quite there yet. 

It wouldn’t make sense to punish Kaneki to such an extent for not having what he wanted, and what he was trying to accomplish figured out if we see characters acting similarly now and banding together on equally flaky ideals. I think it’s meant to be ominous, not that the ghoul alliance is bad per se because it’s a step in the right direction but also they just like Kaneki are banding together only for vague ideals and nothing concrete and no solid plans beyond the one obvious obstacle in front of them.

If you think everything that Furuta and Kanou have done so far is wrong, then we really should not be following Fruuta’s scenario and script so closely to a T. I think after this dragon is resolved, the next arc will be about that, characters realizing they have to break free of Furuta’s script and take control of the narrative for themselves and for their own reasons. Not just platitudes like “protection”, “duty”, “human”, “ghoul”, “ghoul investigator”, “peace” etc, because they are people outside of these words. 

Nah, you nailed it and I don’t really have much else to add, other than to emphasis the point that Kaneki isn’t entirely to blame for Goat’s failure – in direct contrast to what ‘Rize’ tells him, and he reaffirms himself – and that there are other players who share responsibility in encouraging and allowing him to make decisions that they actively disagreed with.

It’s a conflict the organisation faced from its very inception: it can’t decide whether it’s a collective of oppositional factions who unite in pursuit of a broad ideological goal, or just a devoted entourage to the OEK [you wrote a great post on this before so linking again in case anyone else wants to read]. The majority of Goat is made up of weak, starving ghouls and there’s no real reason to begrudge them for simply seeking out a guardian (in the short term) but it also has a functioning executive of smart, skilled actors who consented to an alliance, and who (mostly) have repeatedly failed to oppose Kaneki – and not even out of fear, just… comfort or reckless obedience – even at the expense of the wider community they claim to be fighting for, and at Ken’s own detriment too.

I think (or hope?) that was a deliberate parallel encouraging us as readers to remember that, and hopefully it’s a sign that those characters will be forced to confront their culpability and take the steps necessary to addressing that idk. It seems like Hirako might be contemplating that after both Yusa and Ui hit him with questions he couldn’t answer (I wish he’d just talk fs), and Tsukiyama has also started to doubt his own passivity (“If only I had…”) so I’m optimistic.