Hello Anon and this is a good observation, but while I can’t be sure, I’m not really worried. 🙂
This is what I was explaining here and here: normally ROS is a human’s disease because they don’t have a kakuhou to regulate the oversecretion of Rc cells.
Knowing that, it does appear to be strange that Saiko got affected and Urie almost was too (since as Qs, they do have a kakuhou), so I don’t dismiss the idea that even ghouls might be endangered. However for now it makes more sense to think that the Qs were at risk simply because they’re still humans despite having an artificial kakuhou.
Besides, the whole plan seems to be about turning humans into ghouls…
so it would be logical for ghouls to still be okay, because their kakuhou is natural and thus their regulation abilities probably are more efficient than those of the Qs.
About Touka herself now, frankly I doubt that ch160 was enough to get her poisoned if that’s even possible since she’s a natural ghoul, first of all because she didn’t trigger any explosion (unlike Saiko and Urie did) and secondly, because even Urie who got more in contact than she did with those things will be okay according to Kimi.
I do agree with you though that these…
got a big focus in ch160 and so might be about more than exhaustion, especially since we know she’s been generally weakened lately due to eating human food for her baby, but still, her kakuhou should in theory be enough to deal with elevated Rc cells amount.
If anything, I was thinking this might be something that will turn out to be relevant for her baby instead as you also proposed, maybe, if just because it’s still a huge “?” on every aspect and will surely need to get addressed at some point.
This is 100% theoretical, but I proposed before that the only way for Hybrid Baby not to die in Touka’s womb…
would be if it were to develop a kakuhou and thus to be born as a natural OEG, following this concept:
We know Hybrid Baby at least has the gene for it thanks to Touka, so what’s left to trigger its kakuhou’s development (according to my long reasoning I explained in that link above) would be for the maternal environment to present a high Rc cells rates, so that Hybrid Baby will need to regulate those Rc cells and thus will develop a kakuhou in order to do so.
It’s like a mechanism of “up regulation” as long as you have the gene for it and I’m hoping that’s where Ishida is leading with this arc and future biological explanations, since we’ve seen with the recent chapters that some humans can develop a kakuhou if needed (that lady from the CCG in the previous chapter) but some others couldn’t (all those patients we saw with ROS disease).
So maybe Sensei intends to expand his explanation of kakuhou development in these humans-becoming-new-ghouls and make it relevant for Touka’s pregnancy, which would explain the focus on those veins on her hands as she was digging for Kaneki in ch160. Maybe. xD
TL;DR BECAUSE ACCHAN NEVER STOPS RAMBLING, three possibilities:
Touka will be 200% okay and the current crisis is irrelevant to her character because she has a kakuhou and thus is doing fine
in that case, those veins from ch160 were just to show how exhausted and desperate she was getting while trying to rescue Kaneki.
Touka might get affected because this crisis somehow also affects ghouls or because she’s weakened by all the human food she’s been eating lately
in that case, I’m sure both her and her baby will be alright eventually even if everyone will be scared for her sake in the meantime.
Touka will be 200% okay but the current crisis will turn out to be 200% relevant to her pregnancy
in that case, those veins could indeed have been about her getting in contact with what triggers oversecretion of RC cells in humans,
but this will only matter for her baby and most likely trigger its kakuhou development in order to regulate all these RC cells, thus making sure that it will safely be born as a natural OEG.
I hope it helps and that it’s understandable! Have a nice day Anon. 🙂
Hi Anon! Okay so, seeing how Ciel totally blames himself for what happened to his brother…
I don’t think he will be able to face him at first, so I doubt he’ll be able to order Seb to take care of his twin either.
In fact, I hope that Seb will be absolutely irrelevant to how this confrontation will turn out for our!Ciel, because we know he’s not particularly good at being sensitive and helpful whenever our!Ciel faces his trauma (ch95 anyone? -_-).
It’s as I wrote here, I think this arc is supposed to help our!Ciel with confronting most of his issues surrounding his trauma and what happened with his brother, so I don’t see how Seb is supposed to be the means to an end here (unlike all the previous arcs before), not when he’s the one who ate the twin’s soul in the first place.
No, in my opinion, if the twin is to die before this arc ends, then I think it’d make a lot of sense for him to be stopped by anyone but Seb.
Obviously, right now the most symbolic ending for the twin would be to be stopped by our!Ciel himself, since that’d also imply that our!Ciel found enough strength within himself to face his brother despite how much he was blaming himself for his death, and a catalyst to such an ending could be Lizzie herself.
I mean, if the twin hurts/allows someone to hurt Lizzie (which I think is likely to happen) then…
…in my opinion it could be shocking and despairing enough that our!Ciel would realize he has to stop his brother.
Other candidates for the same job would be Soma (since the twin attacked him and Agni), Lizzie herself (since she realized a while ago in ch113 that she “couldn’t save the twin”), Ed possibly (if he’s angry enough should Lizzie be hurt) or Tanaka (since surely he’d notice that the twin hardly is the boy he used to be).
So nope, Seb killing the twin again would just… not help our!Ciel with the fact he’s constantly blaming himself for what happened to his brother. Seb can go face the other star Lords (like Polaris, who’s real!Ciel’s butler and who apparently was strong enough to kill Agni), or the mastermind behind the arc (UT? someone else?), but the twin isn’t going to be his call in my opinion.
I hope it answers your question, have a nice day Anon!
Bringing this back because I keep mentioning this but I never expand, so when I say “it’s likely (in my opinion) that Lizzie might get hurt”, that’s what I mean:
I’m pretty sure we discussed it before, but these scenes really make me think that, instead of anemia because she possibly gave some of her blood, Lizzie is going to get hurt (shot?) at a later point in the arc and will lose a lot of blood as a result, enough so that Sieglinde will need to use Wolfram’s for transfusing her.
Of course it’s just a theory, but as I explained above, I think this might happen precisely because the twin isn’t the boy he used to be and only seems to care about staying with our!Ciel, so when things escalate, depending on what Lizzie will do she might end up getting the same treatment as Soma and Agni. ://
forming a very small remnant of something that was once much larger or more noticeable and Obstinacy, the quality of stubbornness. The caption on the colored title page could be a reference to the fact that Kaneki survived dragon, which might be an unexpected outcome to Furuta.
So I’ve complained a lot about Saiko’s a habit of sleeping:
And being unable to act until it’s
almost too late:
…And now she’s confined to a bed and can’t act. 😭😭😭
What’s also interesting is that of the original Qs, Saiko is the only one who is probably not a full ghoul at this point. Mutsuki and Urie both pushed themselves to become stronger and are probably full ghouls (which I personally think may be part of why Urie is not exhibiting the same symptoms). But she’s been a participant in this war and raised no protests until her friend was arrested.
Even though she sympathized with ghouls (which Urie and Mutsuki did not), she continued to participate in fighting them however unhappily. Which leads to the question TG always asks us: what makes a person a monster? Does her reluctance absolve her? (The answer would seemingly be no, since TG is all about personal responsibility which Kaneki brings up this chapter too.)
Every other Q has become consumed by their flaws. Shirazu died bearing the burden. Urie framed out and vented exactly what he really felt when confronted with his true feelings by Donato. Mutsuki lied and lied and lost sight of who he was (the Qs’ family) chasing a lie (Sasaki). Saiko slept and slept, and now she has to sleep.
It’s tragic, and now I’m sad. But the way forward is through the paths Urie and Mutsuki and Kaneki are fumbling down: personal responsibility. But it’s not entirely up to her, because she’s ceded her agency so many times and now it’s been taken from her (like Kaneki as Dragon). People are going to have to work to save her and the others dealing with ROS and ghoulification (Juuzou’s probably next). I absolutely think they will succeed and Saiko is going to be saved, and hopefully sooner rather than later.
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