I really don’t care whatever people decide to call her, but I just wanted to explain my personal take on why Sensei most likely went for “Claudia” and simply messed up because she’s Japanese (just like she messed up “Frances” with Francis, when “Francis” is 100% masculine at the time of the 19th century already) especially since…
it seems to have been corrected the last time we saw her name written down (ch85 vs ch103, it looks like an “a” and not an “o” anymore).
Anyway, for the people who argue that it is “Cloudia” to fit some sort of sky theme for the P family, this is most likely wrong for two reasons:
1) Vincent implied that his sons were the first in the family to have unusual names in ch132
and Claudia >> Cloudia in term of “traditional names”.
2) while you can argue that there might be a sky theme for the twins’ first names (again, unconfirmed so far so please let’s not assume anything about our!Ciel’s birth name), it’s most likely not the case for the previous generations otherwise Vincent & Frances would have received names fitting that sky theme, like the twins and their mother
TL;DR it’s more likely to be Claudia than Cloudia and Sensei just initially messed up before finally correcting it in ch103.
Again, this isn’t supposed to make anyone change their way of calling her, just like I never attacked anyone for calling Frances by a 100% masculine name when she’s an absolutely badass woman. It’s just that people are speaking about a sky theme in the P family as if it was canon, when we have almost 0 proof that there is something like that going on, and the only hints we’ve got so far surround the twins, not anyone else in the family.
As always tho, just my opinion. No worries if you disagree. :))
Ah, I’m glad someone else agrees. 🙂 Truth be told, this is kinda the conclusion I was hoping others would reach, that canon had corrected the whole “Cloudia/Claudia” debate with ch103, but seeing as it initially was written “Cloudia”, I definitely can’t blame some readers for not noticing in ch103.
My problem for Cloudia/Claudia was more about the sky theme thing being used as an argument way too often, be it for how to spell her name or to guess our!Ciel’s, when it simply isn’t canon for now, not even for the twins.
The Francis/Frances thing is a different issue for me, because I do cringe whenever I see her called “Francis”. I can’t help it, she’s one the most non-stereotypical characters considering the settings of Kuroshitsuji: she’s beautiful, she’s very ladylike and refined, but she’s also strong and a badass noble lady
and despite all that, she ended up with a masculine name because Sensei made a mistake.
Again, I’m never going to fight anyone who calls her “Francis” because it’s not civilized + it was an honest mistake since Sensei is Japanese, but it does hurt a little inside when I do personally relate a lot to confident/strong/badass fictional women (easy enough to realize if you check my blog xD).
IDK it’s as if you were to take cheerful & badass Lizzie who loves everything cute and imagine Sensei initially wanted to call her “Maria” but messed up and it became “Mario”. It’s just a letter but it changes everything and, considering how Frances totally embodies the strong & badass feminine character and can give cold sweat to a freaking demon, I wish she would have been given the feminine name she deserved to live up to that personification.
For real, everytime I see “Francis”, I feel as if we’re supposed to believe that Claudia somehow wanted a second son but was stuck with a daughter and thus still gave her a masculine name because she was to be raised “like a man”. And like, as far as we know & when we see Lizzie, she was raised to be a strong girl, because Frances was raised to be a strong woman, because Claudia was a strong woman…
so the masculine name thing is… disappointing, to say the least.
Anyway, I know it might not mean so much to a lot of Kuro readers, it’s not like Frances or even Claudia are recurring characters (hell, we don’t know even know Claudia x)), but it always feels like a joke when I see an ongoing war about the “he or she pronouns for Grell” discourse when Grell is an okama and then I remember that I got hate last year for not calling Frances as “what’s written in canon when [I am] so annoying with canon all the time”.
The whole point is that fans can obviously call these two ladies whatever they want. I just stated my personal opinion as to what seemed to be the most likely for Claudia/Cloudia and my slight disapproval of Yen Press never correcting Sensei’s mistake for Frances/Francis.
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