Watch Itori be a natural one eyed ghoul and leader of V. And that’s why Ishida hasn’t shown her in :re yet.

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Hey Anon! I can understand why a natural OEG, since we only saw one kakugan and it’s a very old theory, however Itori the leader of V? Why? 

V is the Washuu family + the people from the garden and all the affiliates, but as Furuta explained in ch66, V and the CCG are the ones who tried to annihilate the Clowns, so I personally can’t see Itori being V’s leader for now.

…Unless you’re trying to say that somehow V might backstab Furuta and if the Clowns do as well, in case Itori is the Clowns’ leader, she’ll become V’s leader as well? That sounds a bit unlikely for now though 🙂 At least for me, haha, feel free to theorize what you want of course.

That being said, I agree that her absence is peculiar and could be linked to her having a precise role to play, whether as Washuu Iyo, someone from the garden, a OEG and also possibly the Clowns’ boss/V’s leader, who knows? 🙂

Thanks for passing by and have a nice day Anon. ^_^

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Hey Anon, haha, I’m sorry, I did take you seriously :))

About V’s leader though, I’m pretty sure that the “leader” was Tsuneyoshi, seeing as V are used by the Washuu family and Tsuneyoshi was the patriarch

until Furuta killed him.

So now I’d say the leader is supposed to be Matsuri, but since Furuta was “appointed by Tsuneyoshi’s will”, it could also be Furuta himself.
Or maybe they chose their leader amongst themselves and it’s an old V member like Kaiko, but since they follow Furuta now, I’d say Furuta is likely to be the best guess for V’s leader.

That’s how I see it personally 🙂

I hope it helps, thanks again for passing by!


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Hello Anon 🙂 Ah, to be honest, I’ve spoken so many times about Itori’s mask feeling so peculiar to me that I’ll give you some posts to read (you might have to scroll down sometimes): [x] [x] [x] [x]
But yes, I think her mask could be another clue to her having a very precise role in the story. I’m not good at talking about symbolism though so I won’t expand so much, even if I’d really love to know about if Ishida really wanted to tell us something with her mask 🙂

As for Noro’s mask: I think Noro was a special case, maintained alive thanks to Eto and her kagune, so I am not sure the masks looking similar is a clue, but that’s a good observation.  
To me, there isn’t any similarities between Noro and Itori aside from that though, so maybe the masks looking a bit similar with the huge mouth is not something supposed to be too analyzed.

I hope that the links will be able to answer your question about Itori’s mask, Anon! Have a nice day 🙂

Hey Anon 🙂 Ah I wish she would be mentioned, I miss her so much…!

That being said, if we consider that the human clowns are controlled (something I’m not completely sure of yet though it’s possible), I’d rather nominate someone like Kanou, if there is really a need for a supervisor.

I mean, remember that scene?

Since the dude resurrected by Kanou mentioned something about “not having a choice” attacking Kurona, maybe they are indeed controlled by a device Kanou implanted, but in that case, I’d say Kanou would have to be the one “controlling them”.

So no Itori yet in my opinion, and if her absence really is on purpose (as in, because it’s supposed to lead to a plot twist), I’d say it’s probably been a while since Furuta last saw her and we might have to wait slightly longer as well…

I have so many theories in mind for Itori right now xD that’s why I’d like for her to show up soon so that I can stop wondering what I possibly missed about her character, haha.

Have a nice day Anon!

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Lol, sorry Anon. That’s just my personal idea though, so don’t take it too seriously. :3 If her absence turns out to be meaningful, I doubt that would mean she was just hiding behind a monitor or in her bar the whole time, which is why I’m hoping for something different (if her absence really is on purpose that is).

That being said, I’m not so sure about her being a natural/artificial OEG although it’s one of the possibilities… I’m just more in favor of the breeder (and thus pure full-bred ghoul) theory as of right now.
Besides, someone once pointed out to me that the ending cards of Root A (drawn by Ishida) kinda showed her with two kakugans…

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so between her and, say, Donato or Uta as candidates for a OEG within the Clowns’ gang, I’d go for Uta first and Donato second. As I said though, that’s just my personal opinion, so feel free to see it differently. 🙂

Have a nice day Anon and sorry for destroying your dream. 😉

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Well Anon, there is definitely no problem, feel free to disagree as much as you want 🙂 I definitely like her being Iyo so that the Clowns can backstab Matsuri (and probably V and Furuta), making it painful for their ego (even if I tend to like Matsuri more and more ^^). 

About Uta being a OEG, it’s all in these posts [x] [x] and for Donato, it’s because his ending card of Root A makes it suspicious (one eye is too dark in comparison of the other) + because he still makes the effort to hide his face and mostly his eyes when he fights Urie, even though everyone knows who he is, even with his mask on.

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Maybe there is no OEG amongst the Clowns though, it’s also a strong possibility 😉 And I personally feel that now that it’s a Clown arc, people tend to wonder more about the fact Itori’s been as absent as Hide (and Rize). I’m hoping for a hint about her soon in any case 🙂 

Thanks for the talk Anon, have a nice day!

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At the same time Eto wasn’t experimented on either and everyone knew she was a OEG so… since a good part of V is made of half humans (like Arima, Furuta initially), I’m not sure that they would have experimented on OEGs unless they showed peculiar abilities, but that’s also true for full-bred ghouls (look at Arata, he’s been experimented on for a long while because his Kakuja is different). 

TL;DR Donato was kept alive all this time only because he was useful to the CCG and helped them with some cases. I don’t think that’s or not a criteria dismissing him as a OEG. 😉  

I’m sorry Anon, I just am not that sure of Itori being a OEG that is all. As always I could be wrong though, so it’s important that you have your own opinion on the matter until we get more clues. 🙂 

Have a nice day. 

Watch Itori be a natural one eyed ghoul and leader of V. And that’s why Ishida hasn’t shown her in :re yet.

Hey Anon! I can understand why a natural OEG, since we only saw one kakugan and it’s a very old theory, however Itori the leader of V? Why? 

V is the Washuu family + the people from the garden and all the affiliates, but as Furuta explained in ch66, V and the CCG are the ones who tried to annihilate the Clowns, so I personally can’t see Itori being V’s leader for now.

…Unless you’re trying to say that somehow V might backstab Furuta and if the Clowns do as well, in case Itori is the Clowns’ leader, she’ll become V’s leader as well? That sounds a bit unlikely for now though 🙂 At least for me, haha, feel free to theorize what you want of course.

That being said, I agree that her absence is peculiar and could be linked to her having a precise role to play, whether as Washuu Iyo, someone from the garden, a OEG and also possibly the Clowns’ boss/V’s leader, who knows? 🙂

Thanks for passing by and have a nice day Anon. ^_^

kingkishou:

what are the chances of Sphinx Trading Co’s weird RC juice being pumped into the dying bodies of old garden grads to preserve them?

…and is it anything like Eto possibly stuffing Noro full of RC cells to keep his creepy decrepit self going for so long?  

same for Kanou’s Q’s– presumably dead investigators being strung along by their new organs (and subsequent huge influx of RC cells)?

All of them share a weird puppet quality, so I feel like there’s something in common with them. Kanou says that ghoulification shortens a person’s lifespan, but presumably because– like his old pre-owl failures– the kakuhou consumes the host. But maybe if the amount is controlled, there’s a tiny window where the RC cells can use the body for basic survival purposes, just like the cordyceps fungus. 

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I’m very curious about Furuta’s goal in bringing out V. The CCG is going to see them, and they are going to have to be explained. There is no indication that Kaneki’s forces actually throw off Furuta’s plan at all, so I doubt V’s arrival here isn’t because the White Suits needed to be taken care of, or else.

Remember, this is a stage, a play – its about image and narrative. So including V – a bunch of highly skilled and previously never seen “CCG agents” has a purpose in the narrative. 

The question is what purpose and how is Furuta planning on explaining things to the CCG. Is this a move to discredit the Washuu family by exposing one of their many secrets – by making it seem like the Washuu were holding back what, from the CCG perspective, were life saving forces?

Is this in part to prove to Matsuri that he has command of V? It’s unclear what the interactions between V and Matsuri have been since he was left the only main branch Washuu. Have they pretended to be loyal? Pretended to be concerned? Has Matsuri just not… dealt with them at all?

And if V is to be revealed to the CCG here, as their defenders against the White Suits, what does that mean for how or when Furuta might reveal other secrets he knows.

Will V be the start of revealing the Garden? Revealing Arima and the narrative every CCG investigator has been fed to be a lie?

I’m excited to see where this goes.

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Considering the big extent of the Clowns’ attack, Furuta had to have a trump card from the very beginning just to deal with them, especially since he definitely intended to use that opportunity from the very beginning to show exactly what he could do as the next possible bureau director. 

By using V against the Clowns when they’re all in cahoots with him (as far as it seems), he’s the puppet master behind a stage he created and he’s going to be seen as the CCG’s hero if he manages to save the CCG against the Clowns and Kaneki. He’s definitely a good player and I’m wondering if Kaneki saw through him using V…

Also I’m really interested in Matsuri’s reaction since he can’t really flip his shit in front of everyone else when he recognizes V, otherwise that would be admitting that the Washuus always had a special force that they never used before.

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I’m super mad tho’, Donato got mentioned, Uta and Nico are going to fight 

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Furuta who is Souta was (LOL) 

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we know where Roma is even if she won’t fight so…

ITORI W H E R E?

Okay but for real, besides the fact it’s a Clown arc and Itori hasn’t been mentioned anywhere since the very beginning of :Re, except if you count that one time in Ken’s mind (:Re ch83), I’d like to also emphasize on the fact that we currently don’t know whether Washuu Iyo is alive or not after Furuta’s attack on Tsuneyoshi and the rest of the Washuu family…

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And the MIA status sounds kind of super important because:

  • Iyo’s probably one of the “wombs/breeder”/pure-blooded ghouls from the Garden and Matsuri’s only chance at repopulating the Washuu family, so the MIA status sounds like a plot point (unless she’s just supposed to make us focus on Matsuri’s sexuality and crush on Urie)
  • I personally still can’t forget her random introduction + her crossed out face in the 2016 calendar. Also the fact Matsuri emphasized a lot on how boring she was in just three pages makes her fishy in my book (that’s a good introduction for a not-so-innocent/backstabbing character)
    • besides since Iyo probably is a womb/breeder and that we saw with Rize that those women aren’t so lucky in life (since they’re basically baby factories), I’d say Iyo playing at being boring in front of Matsuri for her own agenda is a possibility.
    • …especially since Furuta kinda told us he basically didn’t mind keeping that part of the old system, considering what he has in mind for Rize.
  • and of course there is this crack theory that Iyo = Itori 
    • which, by the way, is becoming more and more likely since now both have a MIA status in common (making them good candidates for a big cliffhanger/surprise at some point)
    • especially when the possibility for Itori to be related to the Garden (as a breeder?) isn’t zero.

Finally, I still haven’t found a good explanation for Itori’s mask…

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so this is just adding more ??? to all my questions, especially since Uta is very probably the one who crafted that mask and he might know all about her past (seeing as they’ve apparently been friends for over 12 years on top of him also being fishy and mysterious).

((So basically, I’m ლ(ಠ_ಠლ) about Iyo, Itori, Uta + what’s left that we don’t know about the Garden/the Washuu family/V and the weird ghoulification experiments (which led to Nanao’s death and Kanou betraying the CCG) and I just wanted to make yet another recap post of my feels for these TG mysteries in particular.))

Do you know why furuta wants to have children, I cant picture him as someone who desires to be a father,does he want soldiers, an army or something else ???

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101 dalmatians may have been a lovely movie, but if we take a look at Furuta’s expression, the way he was drawn by Ishida, it becomes apparent that there’s something twisted in his desires and so called “love” for her.

While Furuta mentions that he helped her to escape because he couldn’t bear the thought of her being raped by his father and relatives, which is indeed a noble and empathetic gesture from his side, from there it gets ugly.

The reason why he crushed her with steal beams was because he couldn’t bear the thought that Rize bears the children from another man. He was angered that Rize didn’t show her utmost grattitude and loyalty (aka faithfullness=sexual connotations) to him after this, he was angry that she didn’t give him what he wanted, regardless of she wanted. His gesture might have been a kind one in the past, but now it turned into entitlement to an extreme extent.

He viewed her as a baby machine, as an extension to his wishes and desires (by the way, did you notice how heavily emphasised her breasts in his vision of her are?) and to himself, but not as an individual. Not once did he mention that it is what Rize wants (which wouldn’t be true either way, but you get what I mean). His love has nothing healthy, aka consensual and balanced, about it, that’s nothing but an obsession to say the least. Obsessive love and jealousy that is delusional is a symptom of mental-health problems.

The emphasis of my answer lies in objectification. While I am sure that a small part of him wants a family because he wants to share his love and have connection to people, and that includes children, the reason why he wants children is not because he genuinely wants a family but because it is an integral part of having power, belongingness and because chidlren are simply are a by-product when having a family, at least in Sunlit Garden.

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Children play a great role there, but not in a good way. Children are highly associated with status. If you are half-human? Then you are disposable and forgotten by your family. If you are a woman? Than you are highly likely a womb. The only advantage you can have in the Washuu family is to belong to the main branch and being male. Like, I know people hate this patriarchy stuff people spout from time to time, but no one can convince me that Sunlit Garden and the Washuu family are not a role model in regards to partriarchy.

So Furuta being chairman and respected by his underlings? Power boost. So Furuta marrying Rize, who might be a “womb”, but is integral to contributing to the Washuu lineage? Power boost. Having dozens of children as a formerly half human, disposable and unimportant? Power boost. And I highly suspect that he associates power with worth and confidence, just like Kaneki post-torture associated power as the only means for survival.

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Furuta, too, has a great need to be acknowledged. I have been thinking about the “One-eyed king” lately and why Furuta repeatedly asked about it. I suspect slowly but surely that he wanted to be seen as some kind of authority figure, as a saviour, just like the One-eyed king was. That he knows about “him” before Kaneki was even aware of it could mean that the OEK played some part in the Garden, as a exemenplatory story of success and great pride in their family history, Furuta, yet again, couldn’t be part of. But he couldn’t take that role for it was unreachable (abstractly, that is). The OEK outside Sunlit Garden was a legend, a beacon that a mere mortal couldn’t possibily fullfill. So why not kill that OEK if it circumstance present it?

But then Kaneki “took” that role and Furuta’s response was…

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Doesn’t sound that romantic, so heroic?

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What I am going to say might be debateable, but healthy love does not play a part here. And the circumstances they were in… Let’s put it like this. Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is based on genetics (and no, not a sickness or anything). But under forced circumstances, “sexuality diminishes” in order to replace it with connection that is desperately needed. One example would be Thomas Mann, who was homosexual, but because of the rigid social conventions about sexuality, especially sexuality, he married a woman and fathered many children. I wouldn’t even remotely say that he had any romantic feelings for his wife, but I would say that he put up with the pseudo romantical life he had with her and at one point or the other repressed his feelings, that were not compatible with the circumstances he was in.

I think this is a similar case with Furuta’s “love” for Rize. Attraction is a complex matter, I will admit that, but if there’s no trauma, negative athority figures and a damaging environment involved, I highly doubt many people would fall in love with their relatives. They established a healthy view of their sexuality, of gender and sexes and about themselves and their confidence and value as a living being.

Furuta had none of that. He knows about his origins (and about his father and his deeds…), that of “wombs” and V members, about the main branch, about how common incestual relationships are, how women and men are treated there. Nothing was a remotely suitbale for a child like Furuta, for every child. So it isn’t surprisng that Furuta feels that way for his own relative. That he is probably not aware that his love for Rize is not healthy in the least. And that’s why, in all honesty, I can’t say he ever loved (romantically, that is) her. I think she is very important to him, I think she matters to him a lot because she was one of the few people he spent time with and who didn’t hurt him (visibly, but I will come to that to another post). I think he loved her platonically, but moreover, he loved her because she was the only person he was allowed to love and because it incest was normalised in this environment. His constant sexual references to women indicate that he doesn’t have a grounded view about them. His broken relationship indicates a negative athority figure. The constant power ups and downs in Sunlit Garden enabled low-self esteem (which can do great damage).

Rize, though, became much more than his need for connection. She became an ideal, a possession in the end an obsession. Rize, as a person, is long gone, everything that remains is his broken psyche, mirrored by the embodiment of Rize in his visions and memories.

That’s why I think, in an alternate universe, where Furuta either had not experience such atrocities that went on there or if he got the psychiatric help he desperately needed (which involves years over years), his obsession for her and with it his sexual interest, would have diminished, if not vanished and what would have remained would be familial love.

I am sorry that I said more than I should, because technically, I already answered your question, but I felt compelled to do it. 

Do you think Furuta and the Clowns also killed all the Washuu branch families, besides the main family?

Hey Anon 🙂 And that’s a good question!

After all we know Furuta used the Clowns to kill Tsuneyoshi and probably all the other members of the main Washuu family (the ones who don’t have to hide their last name, unlike Furuta) but when it comes to the rest of the Garden, the rest of “wombs” like Rize and the children who weren’t a part of the 0 squad that escaped with Hirako…

Honestly I think they were not killed, because Furuta also gained the support of V as seen with Kaiko standing next to Uta in ch98…

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So it’s possible Furuta spared the rest of the Garden as they were, just like him, victims of the old Washuu system.

Besides, if Kaiko joined Furuta that was probably because what Furuta was after (the annihilation of the main Washuu family amongst other things) was something he also was after and since V is mainly made of oddities from the Garden, I think there is chance the rest of the children, “wombs” and “defects/oddities” are still alive.

We can’t be completely sure of that, but it would make sense. Furuta got what he wanted, aside from Matsuri, all the other people carrying the Washuu name were annihilated but V stands by his side so it’s possible Furuta sparked a rebellion from within V and the Garden because he just wasn’t the only one who was completely fed up with this abusive and terrible system. 

I hope we will really know if Furuta spared the rest of the Garden one day, but honestly I don’t think V would help him if he had killed a lot of them.

I hope this helped! Thanks for passing by and have a nice Sunday :))

Can you explain the family branch that furuta was talking about in today’s chapter?

kingkishou:

Sure! I’m not 110% on this, but my mom’s a huge genealogy hobbyist, and I’ve picked up a ton of stuff from her over the last 10 years. So here’s how it goes:

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Basically, the people who stem from Tsuneyoshi are women he’s been partnered with. 

On the far left, the children are shown to continue the family tree. This is an indication that they’re to continue the “full ghoul” portion of the family as “seed planters”. Their type of branch is the same that births full ghouls– and only full ghouls– like Yoshitoki, who will inherit executive seats within V and the CCG.


The two women in the middle have human blood. There is nothing connecting them to the “main” branch, so from there the family line breaks away (and there are probably many of them). 

Furuta’s mother is either full human or a half-ghoul. Furuta was unable to produce a kagune on his own, and so he’s been labeled a defect and thrown into the “defects” category with Arima, to carry out the Washuu’s dirty work.

The woman with the long hair on the right is most likely a half ghoul herself, also, probably, a Washuu. She is the mother of Arima, Rize, and another unnamed child (I think the fact that they’re all wearing glasses is to show that it runs in the mother’s blood). I marked the unnamed child as a womb, but tbh they could have been a defect, too. 

note: I think the unnamed person trips some people up bc of their placement, but without a line connecting them to Tsune, they follow the pattern of being another Garden child like Furuta, Rize, and Arima.

Arima’s “human blood” shows, he is unable to produce a kagune, and therefore is labeled another defect. His family line begins and ends with him.

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“Defects” are called “half-humans” (”demi-humans” in some translations, which is more fitting imo). Even though they’re all technically partially human to some extent within this branch, only the one’s who’s human blood shows makes them unfit.

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According to Arima, some children in the garden can manifest kagune. Presumably, this means kids like Rize, who will be used to pass the Washuu blood on to her children, who will either be defects or other “wombs”/“planters”.

Rize, by chance, is able to produce a kagune. She is fit, by standards, to carry on the Washuu bloodline, and will be cycled up to be paired with her own father to create more wombs or workers.

Arima and Furuta’s mothers may also have been daughters of Tsuneyoshi, too, or daughters or pure-ghoul children like the branch on the far left. Either way, the family line is riddled with incest. Blech.

now we konw that V agents are washuu failures but they also seem to scout powerful ghouls out their family (kuzen), so what do you thing of the garden children? do you think they’re as washuu as arima and furuta? or there is a chance that the garden works with the non washuu part of V?

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I would imagine a little bit of both. It seems like, with the stated “pride in their Washuu blood” and obsession with protecting it……very likely the main family are responsible for fathering the garden children.

Which…..ick. I am currently puzzling over Rize’s place in the family, in relation to how Tsuneyoshi and Furuta have both had ambitions to rape and impregnate her. 

Sorry, one second. I need some brain bleach before I continue.

It seems like they recruit promising talent from outside, to work for the “Odd Jobs” piece of the group. Kuzen was a cleaner, handling killing people for the organization. Likely, the deeper into the group we go, the more you’re going to ONLY see those with direct Washuu lineage. 

I think a major question mark currently about Yoshimura is that he supposedly had an rc pattern that overcame the rc gate, even though he is apparently not a Washuu. Was he just coincidently someone with a by-passable rc pattern, or maybe he’s actually related to the Washuu by blood without realising?

That already got answered by Marude.

The program is primarily used to prevent a false-positive from a quinque. Since it’s still an active kakuhou, the gates detect them whenever an investigator comes to work. So…..they simply add that pattern into the system whenever a new quinque is made. 

The Washuus simply use that system to their advantage. There’s no special passable pattern, it’s just certain patterns are in the system and anyone with said pattern can take advantage of that.

Sorry for me being dumb regarding this but… does this basically mean that, to allow a ghoul to enter, the Washuu just add their rc pattern to the ‘undetected’ list?

More or less, yeah. They just tell the operators to add this pattern to the system, and people would probably just assume it’s a new quinque.

Hi! I’m wondering something after the new Rize and Washuu info, do you think her kagune is still special among all the breeders or it’s just that pure blood Washuus have a specially strong kagune? (and that’s why all of the Washuu’s fights were off-screened?)

Hey Anon 🙂

I think that since Rize is probably the only one who managed to escape from V (thanks to Furuta), her kagune might not be more special than others who are supposed to be pure “wombs” like her. 

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The thing is, Kanou managed to experiment on her and create OEGs like Kaneki and Kurona because Rize escaped from V (and because Furuta got jealous -_-), so that’s probably why people keep saying her kagune is special, like Kaneki is, because no one ever saw/experimented on V/the Washuus before (as they’re the ones ruling the whole world).

As you said, that could very well be why all the fights including a Washuu were cut off! 

So for now no, I don’t think she’s that different from other “wombs”, it’s just that she was the only one from the Washuu’s branch family who was able to roam free.
…Though we never know since it could be that we’re still lacking some parts of the big picture.

Let’s see if we get more info on that in other chapters… Personally, I don’t understand why Yoshimura was asked to join V since he apparently never was a part of the Washuu’s branch family, so we probably don’t know everything yet. 🙂

I hope I managed to answer your question. Have a nice weekend Anon!