Hey Anon! Yes, I definitely agree that it could go down this road indeed ever since Furuta showed Hairu’s severed head to Ui.
Besides, we all know that what’s above was already tried by Kanou with the investigators he used on Rushima to fight Kurona, thanks to analyzing Chigyou’s Qs surgery in Shirazu’s body. It is frightening to imagine how much further he could still go though, especially with the help of other CCG scientists.
Also, since Kanou brought in all that he had with him in Aogiri, that means that more than just investigators might be brought back. Basically, I made a small list of the characters that unfortunately I think Kanou could bring back:
Gagi & Guge (since he once said he’d try to Naki)
Shirazu
Hairu
Kijima
Karren (if Kanou is allowed to bring back a ghoul who will be made an ally of the CCG)
Houji maybe if the CCG collected his body and his head
Tatara maybe (if the CCG have the body and they can be sure to control him)
many unnamed characters
There are two others cases that frighten me if Kanou can now really bring people back from the dead, namely:
Arima -> because he was the strongest and anyway I think he deserves to rest
Shinohara -> because we know he still has a strong impact upon other investigators (Juuzou but also Kiyoko, Kuroiwa…) so I doubt Ishida intends on leaving him in the background and if Kanou can bring back the dead, he might unfortunately be able to do something about Shinohara’s coma.
So this part of the new chapter really isn’t good news and I’m hoping that Juuzou, Urie, Kuramoto and the others (that I’m nicknaming for fun “Matsuri’s army” in reference to HP) will be able to stop Furuta and Kanou at least temporarily, even if, frankly, I really doubt it.
Anyway, I agree with you so thanks for sharing your thoughts Anon! Have a nice day 🙂
Hey Anon 🙂 Aww, it’s true it seems it’s going to be such a disproportionate fight isn’t it? ;_; I mean, since Kaneki is even supposed to be dead for the ghoul world too…
…Goat might not manage to gain so many more ghoul followers, or at least that’s how it sounds with the last chapters. Basically Kaneki has Goat and the Great Wheel act, although Ogura’s group probably isn’t made to be fighting with weapons.
That being said, Anon please don’t despair yet, because:
as we saw with the last chapter, some proeminent figures of the CCG (Juuzou, the Qs, Kuramoto) are now completely doubting Furuta, which means that the entire S3′s squad (under Juuzou’s direction) and the Qs (Mutsuki and Aura being complicated cases) might not fight for Furuta
I still don’t think the Clowns are loyal to Furuta’s side and will help until the end, as I explained several times before. 🙂
I definitely can’t completely count on Juuzou immediately switching side and fighting with Kaneki, even if we know they see each other as friends, because Juuzou said he’s supposed to be “Shinohara’s successor” and Shinohara, even if he knew that the world was unfair, always fought for the humans.
So, I don’t see Juuzou fighting for Furuta (not after the new chapter), but Juuzou might decide not to fight for Kaneki either (at least not directly), because he might decide to protect humans, as Shinohara (and the ideal CCG) would have done.
….That’s just my wishful thinking there by the way but, if Juuzou were to somehow create a “third side” (fighting in order to really protect humans as Shinohara would have done), I could see Amon and Akira joining him (since Amon doesn’t want to fight just for the ghoul side and Akira will probably end up making a similar choice because of her parents). So this “third side” would be against Furuta but not necessarily against Kaneki, even if they might not fight alongside him.
As for the Clowns, well, I still don’t think they care about being allied with V, they’re probably on their own side as they’ve always been, but they’re interested in Kaneki so who knows if they might not side with him at some point.
For now, I see them as wild cards: I think they’re still all about their own side, but if Kanou/Furuta/V somehow threaten the Clowns’ plans, they might decide to help Kaneki’s side while still remaining a separate group.
TL;DR the future looks grim but it’s not completely hopeless yet! 😀
I hope it helps, even if that’s just a theory and I could be totally wrong. Please cheer up Anon and have a nice day 🙂
Hey Anon 😀 Ah you mean, that part in the new chapter?
It’s not the first time it’s hinted at indeed if you remember the Cochlea arc:
And Kanou did say that OEGs tend to have shorter life spans, not just because of the surgery (Eto saw herself as old too, like Arima who was a natural hybrid) so maybe this is supposed to refer to what Arima said:
But honestly, since Kaneki has Rize’s kakuhou and Rize kept being referred to as “special” throughout the whole story, maybe things will be different for the ones who received her kakuhou as a transplant (Furuta, Kaneki and Kurona)?
I mean, I reread the last arc that just ended last week and…
…while I initially thought Rize was “special” because she was supposed to be a breeder, after V’s words just above, maybe the experiments with the tanks having her name on it have to do with the fact that, even as a breeder/as someone from V, she’s special.
I don’t know why or how, but that’s probably why V wanted to get her back so much + why they might be trying to reproduce why she was so special with other kids (these tanks and kids we saw).
TL;DR Kaneki is probably showing signs of glaucoma, but at the same time, since Rize’s kakuhou is special (and we don’t know why or how), I am being careful with theorizing that Kaneki (and Furuta, Kurona) has a shorter life-span.
So for now I can’t really help, even if Ishida adds hints here and there that there is something off with Kaneki’s eyes indeed. Sorry if that’s not helping so much. But that’s all I have for now and I could totally be wrong, as always.
Have a nice weekend Anon 🙂
I hope you don’t mind me adding;;;
One of the reasons as to why Rize was so special was because she had a heightened regeneration ability. Even compared to other ghouls it’s considered “special” and it is probably one of the only reasons why Rize could handle being harvested continuously for her kakuhou. (Remember that Kanou conducted more than 1,000 experimental attempts to manufacture more half-ghouls, and even though he did have Yoshimura too, they both probably were harvested A LOT.)
My own idea is that while Kaneki is a half-ghoul now and suffering from the side effects much like the others did, especially when paralleled with Arima, the fact that Rize passed on her healing factoring might be delaying it in some ways. Obviously it is still catching up him some, but the fact that he recovers a moment later may be some support. The screenshot you posted above shows his eyesight growing dark and blurry, but being perfectly clear the next!
If this is the case and Kaneki is able to recover so quickly from the side effects of being a half-ghoul then Rize could be a key in allowing V to breed new children who don’t die so quickly. Half-ghoul or Half-human (failures) aside, the fact that their lifespan is only a fraction of what is considered normal is the only majordraw back/”defect” we’ve seen so far. If they could use her to breed a perfected group of half-ghouls/humans you’d have V being able to make soldiers that
1) Live longer while also,
2) Raising the number of V members they have because now they aren’t dying off and needing to be replaced as frequently.
Also Kaneki’s mom wore glasses, so maybe it’s just hereditary? ∠( ᐛ 」∠)＿
Thank you for your thoughts! I remembered that Rize was a rinkaku with abnormal regenerative abilities, but you’re right I should have precised on my previous answer. 🙂
The thing is, we don’t know why she, as a breeder from V, has these special abilities, but I definitely agree with you, my personal theory is that V is trying to reproduce her special abilities by experimenting on those poor kids in the tanks we saw at the CCG’s lab.
As for Kaneki, this is really my personal opinion, but seeing as his eye troubles started the arc after he fought at full power against Eto, I’m still thinking that this is related to him being a OEG over just this being a normal/hereditary ailment, even if, as you said, maybe the fact he has Rize’s kakuhou grants him recovery for this specific problem, unlike Arima and other hybrids (I hate that term -_-) from the Garden.
I guess we will see, but still thanks a lot for your insight! 😀
Hey Anon 😀 Ah you mean, that part in the new chapter?
It’s not the first time it’s hinted at indeed if you remember the Cochlea arc:
And Kanou did say that OEGs tend to have shorter life spans, not just because of the surgery (Eto saw herself as old too, like Arima who was a natural hybrid) so maybe this is supposed to refer to what Arima said:
But honestly, since Kaneki has Rize’s kakuhou and Rize kept being referred to as “special” throughout the whole story, maybe things will be different for the ones who received her kakuhou as a transplant (Furuta, Kaneki and Kurona)?
I mean, I reread the last arc that just ended last week and…
…while I initially thought Rize was “special” because she was supposed to be a breeder, after V’s words just above, maybe the experiments with the tanks having her name on it have to do with the fact that, even as a breeder/as someone from V, she’s special.
I don’t know why or how, but that’s probably why V wanted to get her back so much + why they might be trying to reproduce why she was so special with other kids (these tanks and kids we saw).
TL;DR Kaneki is probably showing signs of glaucoma, but at the same time, since Rize’s kakuhou is special (and we don’t know why or how), I am being careful with theorizing that Kaneki (and Furuta, Kurona) has a shorter life-span.
So for now I can’t really help, even if Ishida adds hints here and there that there is something off with Kaneki’s eyes indeed. Sorry if that’s not helping so much. But that’s all I have for now and I could totally be wrong, as always.
Ahh but they believe Furuta won’t live long, and probably think they have the upper hand in the situation. They might’ve made some kind of deal with him, and for the time-being are just using his adroitness to get shit done for their own agenda.
I doubt Furuta is really working in their favor, though. He wanted to keep his new kagune a secret from them, so he’s most likely banking on their obliviousness for some good ol’ double-crossing later on.
I don’t think Matsuri is a threat to Furuta either, but was standing in the way of V’s plans to wipe out the Washuu clan from their network. He may not have been a threat to Furuta’s ever-climbing status, but more importantly he knows too much. Matsuri actually has the potential to be a massive fucking threat, especially if he managed to escape from that fight with Kaiko.
Hey Anon 🙂 Ah, Iyo aside because I don’t want to speculate on too many different things at the same time, I personally can’t take Matsuri’s “death” seriously for the moment, so yeah it could definitely be a fake death, and here’s why in my opinion:
this post (aka Ishida throwing in memes which explains the strange tone of the narration during Matsuri’s “death”)
the fact Ishida started to delve into his character recently, which is to say ever since the Rushima arc, with a list here of all that we learnt since that arc
So, from a narrative point of view, Matsuri’s death makes no sense at all right now. Besides:
he’s obviously a threat to Furuta and V since he’s pure Washuu blood but what’s new is that he’s an even bigger threat than Kaneki for V (since V went after him instead of going after Kaneki)
which means that as the last Washuu, Matsuri has a lot of worth in the narrative since V is for now the main villain of the story
+ if Matsuri disappears, since he’s the last Washuu, we might never know the real truth behind what the Washuu family represented and storytelling-wise that doesn’t make sense either.
I know many are still salty about Tatara & Houji, but even they got a more meaningful death than he did (if he’s actually dead), and again, it doesn’t make sense when V basically confirmed that Matsuri was a bigger threat to their plans than Kaneki.
My only… big doubt that’s making me still consider that Matsuri could be dead is the fact that V are pros, so I don’t see how he’s supposed to survive and fake his death when it was basically just him vs Kaiko and his men.
Unless we go down crack theory lane and…
…we say that Nico potentially helped him (fake his death I mean, since Nico is quite the strong healer + Uta and Donato can make clones of themselves).
Honestly, that’s the only way out for Matsuri I could think of, if just because we didn’t really see Nico and Matsuri’s side of the battle and if the Nico/Matsuri encounter really had no narrative value, I don’t understand why Ishida didn’t skip the few panels of them that he draw until V came for Matsuri’s head.
Ah and also, there was the fact that Matsuri felt a “closeness” to Nico (because of their sexual orientation maybe?) so… again, if that really had no narrative value, why mentioning it at all?
Finally, Nico did a favor to Kaneki just before the battle, by giving him Ogura’s card in order for him to save Akira and, while no one can say if that’s just Nico’s initiative or an idea from the whole gang, it seems Furuta had no idea about this detail, which means that Nico at least might be doing what they want…
…which is why I’m hoping that somehow Matsuri could still be alive thanks to Nico.
I guess we will see in the next chapters though (through Urie or someone else). 🙂
I hope it helps Anon, and anyway the rule in TG is “no body, no death”. xD
Have a nice weekend!
Hey Anon 🙂 And awww, I’m sorry, but I feel this discussion could go in so many directions that I really don’t know what to tell you…
Amon and Kaneki once more or less shared the same ideals about the world though and in fact, it’s not like Amon can do anything on his own about V, so I feel that Amon would at least understand what Kaneki is trying to do.
However, I’m really not sure about how he’d feel about Kaneki’s means or simply the way he’s tackling this task, since Kaneki isn’t exactly doing such a good job in the first place (as Irimi and Ayato pointed out to him already).
So I really don’t know what to tell you: I want them to have an actual talk, something allowing them to reminisce about the past but also addressing the future and somehow starting to confront Kaneki to some of the decisions he made until now.
Truth be told, I’m hoping the talk with Amon will be the first of a long series, as in, that it will lead to Kaneki talking with other people (Akira, Touka) so that he can finally face his issues and do a better job as the OEK, if he decides to keep this title.
I’m really looking forward to it even if I have no real idea of what’s going to happen and what exactly they will say to each other, but that’s kinda nice for once not to try predicting too much. 🙂 I mean, we’ve been waiting for this talk for a loooong time (since the Anteiku raid arc actually, back then when Kaneki told Amon that, I had no idea TG was ending with ch143).
We might even get spoilers on Friday it seems 😀 so it’s only a few days away ^^
Have a nice week until then Anon and sorry if I didn’t answer your question!
I would be lying if I said Matsuri was one of my favorite characters. He wasn’t. He is certainly not of the same caliber as Tatara and Houji for me, but I remembered how they were handled when I read this chapter.
tbh I had so many high hopes for Matsuri and I actually thought (even though I suspected weeks ago that Furuta set a trap for him to off him) that he would show some character development in the coming chapters.
It is annoying me because it was done with no purpose whatsoever. If anything, he was better off killed on the ship during the Rushima arc, along with Yoshitoki. His survival served no purpose whatsoever, I repeat, whatsoever.
I always wondered what happened on the ship that day, and was waiting for someone to recall the events in future chapters. It always annoyed me (and confused me) why Marude chose to spare Matsuri’s life, and only kill Yoshitoki. I assumed something happened that forced Marude to flee the ship, even though he intended to kill Matsuri too. That is what I assumed, and waited for Matsuri to give some insight into that. Marude knows that if Yoshitoki is dead, Matsuri would succeed him, and he was canonically shown to disagree with that. There is no reason why he would want to spare his life.
What was the purpose of Matsuri surviving that incident then? I always thought there was one. Sadly, it looks like I was wrong.
I don’t see a point in revealing that:
Matsuri was gay (or may have never been comfortable with his own gender or orientation).
He held feelings for Urie
He actually loved his father, Yoshitoki.
He suffered after his father’s death to the point of becoming an incompetent human being (ghoul).
Him showing a regeneration ability upon being cut with a katana, in the head, without displaying a kagune, and putting up a better fight.
Him showing compassion and likeness to Furuta when he realized his voice is similar to that of his dad.
Him showing interest in Nico.
I don’t see a point for all of these revelations if he was going to be killed off-screen, without him having the time to reflect upon his life (through flashbacks), to tell us why he doesn’t have a kagune, what happened on the ship, what happened in Germany, why he holds such feelings/desires…. or any sort of explanation whatsoever.
Once again, there has been unnecessary build up for character potential, yet said character was killed off without us having any answers, or means to find these answers through other characters.
I just… don’t understand why, and I am confused as hell as why this pattern is being repeated.
I don’t mind negative character development, but this was not that at all. I am pissed off that Matsuri was reduced to being comic relief and a weirdo and is literally an icon for mockery. He at least deserved few panels to reveal why he was that way, why he acts this way. Sorry to bring this up again as a comparison, but Torso has had the negative character development and a whole chapter to show why he is THAT fucked up. I don’t get why he was graced with that, but other characters are being denied the bare minimum (few panels).
I am not going to comment on the other things you brought up, because those said characters are still alive, and perhaps these things will be addressed in the future (though I certainly no longer hold any hopes).
This scene killed me, I love how he’s just chilling even though a blade pierced through his head xDDDD
That being said, it’s probably not Nico’s doing as swords…
…are V’s weapons.
So, after Nico, V probably showed up at where Matsuri was fighting, which makes me think that…
It looks like Furuta really did intend on eliminating Matsuri after his father and grandfather so that the main Washuu family line would have completely disappeared.
If Matsuri seems okay that means he’s probably a ghoul (like his father and grandfather) which means we might learn more about other secrets surrounding the Washuu family and the V organization soon.
Either Matsuri’s squad was entirely wiped out (by Nico? by V?) before that scene, or the point was to force Matsuri to regenerate in front of his subordinates so that the rest of the CCG would learn that Washuus aren’t humans.
The next chapter will probably go back in time a little so that we understand how we ended up with such a cliffhanger but Matsuri seems oddly at peace there… Maybe he fought of all the V members who came after him and so he’s looking confident because he won?
Aaaaah, we’ll see and I can’t wait! 😀
Have a nice weekend Anon!
Hey Anon! Well, as I was saying, the sword kinda hints towards V attacking Matsuri, but Nico isn’t a part of V (as far as we know). As for the V dude who looks like Nico…
We don’t exactly know if Kaiko’s group went to the lab immediately, or if maybe another V group went to face Matsuri, so there is no real way to know who stabbed him yet.
I just don’t think it’s Nico though since they’re a Clown and they fight with their kagune, unless their kagune can somehow become a real sword (and who knows really, since Uta can recreate faces and Donato can make doubles of himself thanks to his kagune).
Anyway, the answer next week, definitely 😀 Have a nice weekend Anon!
This scene killed me, I love how he’s just chilling even though a blade pierced through his head xDDDD
That being said, it’s probably not Nico’s doing as swords…
…are V’s weapons.
So, after Nico, V probably showed up at where Matsuri was fighting, which makes me think that…
It looks like Furuta really did intend on eliminating Matsuri after his father and grandfather so that the main Washuu family line would have completely disappeared.
If Matsuri seems okay that means he’s probably a ghoul (like his father and grandfather) which means we might learn more about other secrets surrounding the Washuu family and the V organization soon.
Either Matsuri’s squad was entirely wiped out (by Nico? by V?) before that scene, or the point was to force Matsuri to regenerate in front of his subordinates so that the rest of the CCG would learn that Washuus aren’t humans.
The next chapter will probably go back in time a little so that we understand how we ended up with such a cliffhanger but Matsuri seems oddly at peace there… Maybe he fought of all the V members who came after him and so he’s looking confident because he won?
Before anyone asks, I really doubt the guy on the right is Nico 🙂
First of all, we’ve seen them in ch102
And that’s not exactly the same profile/beard style/haircut + we saw them in ch105…
…Wearing his mask and usual outfit, so personally I’m still thinking that, while Uta went to face Juuzou at the front entrance, Nico went to the other side to face Matsuri. 🙂
Maybe that V dude above (next to Kaiko?) is related to Nico though, and that could why he wasn’t covered by the shadows like the other V guys following Kaiko.
We’ll see 🙂
Hey Anon! Haha, well, at least you saw my post, that’s already something. ^_^
And, let’s say that V guy is related to Nico, that would indeed be a good way to learn about their backstory, yes! Though if this guy really is related to Nico, then that means Nico is related to V and the Garden, and since I kinda think it’s possible for Itori and Uta to also have a link to the Garden, well, somehow… That’s starting to make a lot of people who might have a tenuous link with the Garden xD
And I don’t mind, but it’s just that for now everyone in the story still speaks of Rize’s escape from the Garden as something strange and not usual, so a few more people escaping V’s iron grip and becoming friends would be… a bit anti-climatic? xD Unless Rize was just that special, which is possible too, considering that her name is on that weird experiment…
I don’t know anymore to be honest, the only thing that’s certain in this chapter is that Kaiko is going where Kaneki is, so I’ll just wait and see if this dude really is related to Nico or not!
Have a nice weekend Anon, sorry for the messy thoughts. 🙂
Hey Anon! Ah, to be honest, I really don’t know how to feel about this, as I was saying above, haha.
I mean, I really really want to know more about all the Clowns’ backstories (it’s more or less done for Donato, so it leaves Uta, Itori and Nico, and maybe Roma) but at the same time, I’m starting to wonder if that’s normal for all the characters we don’t know much about to potentially be related to the Garden. xD
Honestly, I just want the backstories, so if this guy is indeed related to Nico and can give us some confirmation that we will know more about Nico at some point, well, I’m in for the wild ride. 😀
Before anyone asks, I really doubt the guy on the right is Nico 🙂
First of all, we’ve seen them in ch102
And that’s not exactly the same profile/beard style/haircut + we saw them in ch105…
…Wearing his mask and usual outfit, so personally I’m still thinking that, while Uta went to face Juuzou at the front entrance, Nico went to the other side to face Matsuri. 🙂
Maybe that V dude above (next to Kaiko?) is related to Nico though, and that could be why he wasn’t covered by the shadows like the other V guys following Kaiko.
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