In Chapter 131, ‘Naagaraji’ ナァガラジ could be a reference to the Hindu mythology Nāgarāja “King of the nāga” (nāga meaning snakes) and also known in Japanese and Chinese mythology as one of the 8 great dragon kings. Among the Nāgarāja there is Vasuki, a snakegod in Indian mythology who was converted into a dragon king in Buddhism, then renamed “Washu-kichi”
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和修吉(washukitsu) is just the assigned kanji for how Vasuki is pronounced in Japanese. Washuu only uses the first two kanji as a family name, and then whoever the successors are adds the last kanji from Vasuki to their given name. (ex: Furuta Nimura -> Washuu Kichimura)
‘Dragon’ 竜 is a Japanese shinjitai simplified from 龍 which figuratively means “sovereignty”, “king”, “chief”, and “hero”. The kanji 龍 is also used in the word 龍王 ”Nāgaraja; snake king; dragon king", a notable example of dragon and snake legends from Buddhist and Hindu mythology.
As Ishida introduced ‘Dragon’ 竜 in Chapter 128, he later on then introduced The ‘Naagaraji’ ナァガラジ in Chapter 131, both correlated with each other and with the word “king”.
So we saw everybody band together in an epic feat of teamwork, the question is why exactly did it not work in bringing owl 2.0 down?
It’s probably something as simple as the characters really haven’t grown enough to earn this vicotry. Which is what necessitates the clown shake down in the first place.
Here, let me demonstrate with a breakdown of Kaika vs Yusa, the only real character vs character interaction rather than character vs giant monster that we get in the fight.
First, he calls the two remaining members of Zero Squad Arima’s lapdogs. Not only that but Sheep that he herded himself. That’s a rather thinly veiled and obvious Jesus metaphor.
Remember, Arima Kishou died for our sins. Ishida likes to remind us of it approximately every five chapters that Arima Kishou is indeed dead.
Arima is so universally mourned by everyone it’s almost enough to make you forget that he was a morally ambiguous character to begin with. It’s almost like his death has wiped the slate clean on him.
As I’ve said before though, Tg: Re would never glorify suicide like that. Lately, we’ve been witnessing a slow deconstruction on Arima’s sacrifice. Including the facts that Take clearly does not know entirely what the big picture is, that he relies on Arima’s words too much, and the fact that Zero Squad has been whittled down to its last two remaining members.
Arima’s sacrifice of his own life to make Kaneki the strongest of all ghouls was destroyed when the CCG simply replaced him with Juuzou. Arima’s choice to leave behind the zero squad with Kaneki to protect him, results in two of them dying in an almost direct result of his choice not to tell Ui to avoid confrontation.
Take holds information to himself, and isn’t really super clear anymore on what Arima’s goals were to begin with. So, to summarize the story itself is still framing Arima’s choice to sacrifice himself ambiguously. As in there were some good things, and some bad things about that choice. However, the characters themselves still view Arima in exactly that light.
Yomo even brings up this exact same notion to Take. That Arima did a lot of bad things and hurt a lot of people, even if he was doing it for good ends ultimately those wounds go away, and Take basically says it doesn’t matter because Arima is dead now. He brushes off the opportunity to think critically about Arima, because no matter what he concludes it won’t change the fact that Arima is still dead. However, it does matter for the sake of the living.
Take, while still acknowledging that Arima is dead is still working tirelessly to earn his praise and following the orders of a dead man.
So much so, he fails to grasp entirely what Arima’s purpose in leaving Take the zero squad should have been. Even after losing two members in a pointless sacrifice, Take does not realize he should stop bringing Yusa onto battlefields with him and forcing the child soldier raised from birth to fight, to fight more.
Kaiko takes both Takeomi and Kuramoto out of the fight easily, but from a character perspective it’s clear why. Neither Kuramoto nor Takeomi have grown. Takeomi simply walks straight back into being a CCG officer, not even acknowledging what happened to his father and mourning him, and Kuramoto does not even try to resolve his conflict with Take, simply choosing to make a bunch of passive aggressive comments.
Remember, Kuramoto truly made himself vulernable for a moment when Take left. However, as usual he’s back to just making sly comments behind his fox face.
Kuramoto wanted to believe in him, that he had reasons to do what he was doing. His sense of betrayal came not from Take’s actions, but the fact that Take chose not to talk to him about it beforehand, and Take really hasn’t changed anything in that regard, so Kuramoto simply slinky behind his mask once more.
Then, to the meat of the fight. Kaiko’s not just mocking Yusa here, he’s mocking the pedestal that Arima is put upon by the zero squad. Which is why Kaiko chooses these specific reminders. Arima was a child soldier, just like Yusa, presumably just like Kaiko as well.
Then the juiciest moment of the chapter, while dangling a blade at Yusa’s neck he mutters, “Am I like Arima, yet?”
He’s not making the comparison between Yusa and Arima anymore, but rather Yusa and himself. Kaiko raised child soldiers obediently as a part of V, but so did Arima as well. Not only that, he did the exact same thing to Sasaki. Literally, every flashback we see of Arima presents him as being a cruel and ruthless teacher, even if he was one with good intentions.
So, what Kaiko is taunting Yusa about is that by drawing out the fight to test his strength, by holding a blade at his throat, really he’s acting exactly like Arima as well. “Am I like Arima, yet?” He’s challenging Yusa’s perfect image of Arima.
However, Yusa really does fail to respond to that in the fight way. Take just sinks once again into calling that name an honor. He adopts his perfect image of Arima that he’s using to fight for once more. Literally what Take should be saying to counteract that is “You’re not Arima, you’re you Yusa…” but Take can’t really grasp that, because Take himself keeps dragging Yusa into combat because that’s what Arima told him to do.
Which is why Ui fails to think critically as well. As touching as his rememberance of Hairu and Arima is, and also even though he’s leagues above Shuu who refuses to remember even Matsumae and Karren’s name, we should remember that Ui was given the oppurtunity to tell the CCG the truth about Furuta, Arima and Arima’s legacy and he chose to lie instead.
Even though, Ui himself much earlier was the one who grasped the nuance of the situation, that people were allowing Furuta to take power, not just Furuta being the only bad egg in the CCG. Blaming it all on Furuta, is probably something that Ui did to protect both Take and Arima’s name, but utlimately it’s the wrong choice, and one that brings him farther away from the truth.
Which is likely the reason why Ui is still smoking as well. His smoking is a sign of his own personal emotional repression. After Take tells him at least part of the truth of why he left, Ui says he’s going to be smoking a lot more now. He really hasn’t come to terms with it, and probably won’t until he’s set up confront Hairu, which may come soon.
However, at the end of the day the characters have failed to grow which is why instead of banding together to heroically defeat Owl, they’re exposed to round two. The heroic blow that Yusa dealt Kaiko essentially meaning nothing as it stitches itself up right away, the owl exploding and killing more just like when it looks it might be detained.
As per the usual in Tokyo Ghoul these problems can’t be overcome with fighting and strength alone.
As for what will happen next, considering this is an owl kagune I wonder if it’s bait to lure Amon out. After this explosion there probably won’t be many ground investigators left that can match it.
Amon showing up to help his comrades (and “for peace!”) against Owl 2.0 would make a lot of sense, especially considering that the current situation is rather strongly reminiscing of what the CCG tried to do with him in ch114/115 (with another parallel once Seidou hopefully shows up).
it would be interesting to see Amon trying to face the one who’s possibly Eto and thus half the responsible party behind him becoming a OEG, something he still can’t fully accept to this day.
I was discussing this with @amonmahboi yesterday but actually, Donato having “fun” with someone who’s possibly Eto (other strong possibilities being Hairu and Karren) as payback for what happened to Amon between TG and :Re would be a very ironic development, especially if Amon indeed shows up to fight that Owl 2.0.
It would be like “I’m stuck in the past because of my horrible father figure and despite becoming a OEG, but here I am fighting for peace against a monster who’s threatening my comrades, not knowing that this monster is actually the result of my horrible father figure seeking revenge for what happened to me”.
It makes a good setting for Kaiko’s round two when round one seemed rather hopeless. At least to me. Oh well, just some thoughts. :3
Hi Anon, aww so sorry for the delay, but since the new chapter was near when you sent your ask, I wanted to see what would come up first, just in case. :3 So:
Clowns
As showed with the newest chapter, they’re supposed to be stalling for time, even if we don’t know why exactly for now.
I personally don’t worry about them, because Nico, Itori and Uta at least were foreshadowed (in my opinion) to watch the series coming to an end and share one last laugh about it, thanks to ch128…
…without mentioning the fact that these 3 aren’t exactly true villains or antagonists amongst the Clowns’ gang (compared to Roma, Donato and Furuta) because they almost always made up for a nasty joke of theirs with an advice or favor, at least when it comes to Kaneki himself.
In other words, they should be fine compared to Donato or Furuta who might end up following Roma’s example before the end of the series, since the three of them definitely were strongly depicted as villains/antagonists.
Besides, Nico, Itori and Uta were shown to have an agenda that isn’t solely about the Clowns or Furuta’s plan (the friendship with Yomo for Itori and Uta, Itori saying that Nico only cared about finding a boyfriend and Nico helping Kaneki’s side with the great wheel act…), which is yet another argument about them enjoying this “play” but not actively supporting one side in particular.
I’d love to expand, but I’m unstoppable on the subject + you asked about other characters so I’ll just end it there. xD
Takizawa
Gosh, another topic and character I love to ramble about, so to make this simple there again, let’s just say that Donato’s return is vouching for a confrontation between him and Amon and this is what, I hope, will lead to Takizawa’s return.
The initial issue is that Amon, as the OEG he is now, is unable to face Donato and immediately win an upcoming confrontation, because he’s held back by too many aspects of his past he never learnt to address correctly. So the only way for him to win against Donato who’s a strong ghoul would be to accept the OEG that he was forced to become and fight using his whole strength instead of trying to remain as human as possible.
However, the second issue is that he’s unfortunately currently unable to do that, because he doesn’t hold ghouls in the same regard as humans and that’s why he’ll probably need to be saved by Seidou, because Seidou…
…is the one who accepted his fate as a powerful OEG.
Of course, the whole point is not to have Seidou win against Donato for Amon’s sake, because it’s something Amon needs to do by himself, but saving Amon is also important for Seidou’s own development, as Amon and Akira are the two people who matter the most to him and he believes…
The whole narrative where Seidou is concerned always was “being able to become a hero”. It’s something he expressed many times (namely through the wish to be seen and valorized by Akira)…
before recently giving up on it:
…which is precisely why it might finally happen.
To quote @hamliet who definitely has a better way with words than me: “Akira and Amon have not been heroes–they’ve needed rescuing from Takizawa, who saved both of them, because he is the hero in their story, as he always wanted to be. He just hasn’t realized it yet”. [x]
I better stop there once more, because I could ramble for 5 hours since Seidou is one of my absolute favorite characters and I will definitely scream when he shows up again (btw, I kept on mentioning Amon, but Takizawa will probably have the same role towards Akira’s own need of acknowledgement towards her dead parents’ actions).
Kurona (and Shinohara)
Tricky girl, but her dynamics with Amon and mainly Juuzou aren’t completely written out and finished in my opinion, so I’m expecting more of her in one way of another, even if I don’t exactly know how yet.
Generally, I think that if Juuzou really was foreshadowed to become a ghoul before the end, then maybe she’s going to be the one who helps him adjust to his new life, since she went through the same thing a few years ago.
And actually, same when it comes to mourning someone you love: Kurona had a hard time learning how to do without her twin sister who was a very important person to her and Juuzou…
is not there yet when it comes to Shinohara. ://
So I’d say that what’s left of Kurona’s development is linked to Juuzou, just like what’s left of Juuzou’s is also linked to Shinohara.
Hanbee basically confirmed that Shinohara was dead in ch128 and, even if I know some people are expecting him to come back as a zombie or something else, I honestly think the whole point of Shinohara in :Re is to lead Juuzou to the realization that…
…
he’ll have to let go eventually (I literally cried as I wrote this, I mean I love the narrative between Juuzou and Shinohara so much and it’s one reason ch143 of TG was so harsh on me). ;_;
I’m not entirely sure for this part, so take with a grain of salt, okay?
V (Kaiko)
Finally, about them…
We still don’t know what they’re about and what they’re up to, if Furuta is just using them to discard or destroy them later or if they’re really allies, but I’d still call them the big bad regardless of how they’re supposedly currently following Furuta’s every order, because that’s what they were foreshadowed to be.
More is coming, hopefully, so mostly I’d love new hints to refresh all the theories about them. :3
Whew, there you go! Thank you so much for the nice words and for reading ❤
I’m sorry that I ended up rambling and that it got long but I hope it answers your question! Have a nice day Anon and sorry again for the delay :33
This isn’t a meta so much as speculation + what I would like to see.
Itori starts this question by telling Kaneki that a ghoul named Kamishiro Rize does not exist… but also that Rize is the key to everything. Which the latest chapter reinforced.
This is foreshadowing both for Rize’s past in the Sunlit Garden (was her original last name Arima? seems possible), but also for her role in the story going forward, in which Rize is not given agency since her attack on Kaneki. She’s first captured and mined by Kanou and then she loses her mind. She’s then recaptured in :re and taken to the lab again, where Furuta turns her into the Oggai. She appears in Kaneki’s mind, but she’s just a hallucination in Aogiri, unable to speak for herself. Kaneki instead projects the worst of himself onto her and this continues. Furuta becomes enraged she wasn’t grateful to him for freeing her and lashes out.
Personally, if Furuta and V are intending Rize to be some kind of final Dragon/Boss, I’d like her to subvert that expectation in the end. Because the Rize we have known has been a plot device more than a villain, an unkind person yes, but someone who never deserved the things that happened to her. Unlikeable people are victims too, and I would really like to see Rize say “fuck it” to Furuta and his expectations one last time. He’s someone who, while I love him, has repeatedly seen himself as a god in her life, as someone who can give and take her agency away from her (and V has as well, given what she was born to do).
Rather than the ending be Rize being killed by Kaneki as the Revelation/Kaneki as Christ symbolism seems to hint, I would like Rize to say “No” to Furuta’s plans again, as saying “no” to expectations is something Rize does best. I’d like her to begin by not eating him, leaving him alive to witness her defiance of the constraints he repeatedly places her in.
If Kaneki’s identity is a giant question mark to us, and it is, so is Rize’s. Kaneki willingly submits himself to the loss of his agency, Rize does not submit but loses her agency all the same. If Kaneki is going to take his agency/responsibility the next arc, as the story seems to be setting up for him to do, I would love to see Rize, a foil and parallel of Kaneki, do likewise in the end–choose not to be some sort of villainous Dragon, or (more likely) choose to stop.
That would be hard to do, of course, given that facing all you’ve done is something that Kaneki could barely do and Rize even said so (hallucination or not it seems pretty likely Rize wouldn’t really want to do this)
Plus. Rize doesn’t have the world working together to save her. But there are a few people who might try to stop her without killing her. Banjou possibly, Yomo, Uta if he is the previous Nagaraj (for Yomo’s sake lol), Kaneki even, and Yoshimura in the lab who made that promise to Shachi.
Basically I just want to learn who Rize is, and for her to choose her own path rather than serve as a plot device for Furuta and Kaneki.
See, taking V down is very probably going to take some time, a time Sensei still has if he decides to take :Re until ch204 in my opinion, but not if he stops at ch164. In fact, most of TG’s villains so far have been about taking V down (and breaking “the equilibrium”) from the very beginning…
Kanou and Furuta teamed up a while ago in order to do that,
Kanou experimented with Rize and then joined Aogiri while Furuta joined the Clowns
Eto assisted Kanou in making more artificial OEGs (Amon, Seidou), to see who could inherit Arima’s position of the OEK when the time would be right
meanwhile Arima was keeping a close eye over Kaneki, with the same idea in mind as Eto
Furuta helped V destroy the Washuus so that he could also become the head of the CCG in order to turn Kaneki into Dragon…
…which then forced ghouls and humans to ally for the very first time in order to stop him.
So now that it’s probably going to be up to Kaneki and the rest of the cast to take V down next…
…you can be sure it will take a few more volumes after ch164, especially since we don’t know yet the real extent and influence that this organization possesses, since it encompassed the whole Washuu family.
So if Sensei ends :Re before Kaneki and the rest of the cast completely take V down, then I think a third part will be needed in order to finish everything (even if it doesn’t have to be as long as TG or :Re of course), but that’s just my opinion.
Actually, third part or not, in the end it’s about giving us all the answers and development before ending the story. 🙂 Sensei choosing to do this in :Re or in yet another sequel is not particularly important as long as he finishes what he started!
TL;DR maybe :Re ends with ch164, I have no way to be sure of that right now, but Sensei is definitely not ending Tokyo Ghoul with :Re ch164.
I hope it makes sense! Please have a nice day Anon. :))
So, as it’s been confirmed :Re is now entering its final arc and even tho I think Sensei will end :Re on ch204 (which means approximately December of this year, we supposedly still have time), I just want to bring back this crack theory just in case it doesn’t turn out that way because ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
“Takatsuki Sen”, introduced at the very beginning of TG (ch1), wrote three significant books during the timeline of the story: The Black Goat’s Egg, the Hanged Man’s MacGuffin & King Bileygr so, you know, maybe Sensei intends on making TG a trilogy? :))
we had TG, TG :Joker, TG :Jack, TG :Re (King), so if Sensei wants to be consistent, he might as well make a TG :Queen or a TG :Ace, especially since the 4 Aces are all coming together currently.
Other reasons are theoretical and mostly about V as the big bad (explained above), but all in all I’d say this theory depends on Sensei’s pace as we go towards the end of :Re.
If some things have yet to be addressed by the time it’s the end, then I think we can expect a part 3. Otherwise, well, it’s going to be a happy ending for Kaneki, which is great too. :3
Right! It sounds like they are mostly human, but still have that extremely powerful kakuja “blood” running through them.
It’s been hinted that there are people much farther above the Washuu, and in a way are being used by the higher-ups in return for wealth and political power. After all, the Washuu are only a subset of V, not the other way around.
Interesting social study, isn’t it? How a powerful family can despise and feel ashamed of their origins, but exploit themselves and others who share it all the same…
I have to admit that initially, I was confused about why Arima told Kaneki that the Washuus/V wanted to be “more human” in ch83, but I guess what Rize said now explains why V decided to get rid of them recently and how they mostly succeeded.
The main Washuu family having a “powerful kakuja blood” but being mostly humans…
in other words having maybe special Rc cells but otherwise human biological features might explain their strength but also why we never saw their kagune.
“V” was initially created by the Washuus to annihilate the second OEG of the timeline, the one who almost destroyed the CCG in the past, but it seems that the organization ended up backfiring against their creators and, if it’s indeed because the power balance tilted over the years, I’d really be interested in knowing how V is different from the main Washuu family, biologically speaking.
I guess we’re eventually coming to that, but it’s lifting something off my shoulders to possibly understand what Arima was trying to say in ch83 + maybe this means that the ghoul parent of the children in the sunlit garden could be the moms? Hence why Iyo “didn’t understand” Matsuri’s job because she’s a ghoul and he’s an investigator (not sure tho because a few things don’t add up, like Furuta implying that Rize was supposed to be r*aped by Tsuneyoshi and co…).
EDIT: rethinking about this, since Yoshitoki showed two kakugan and Matsuri apparently healed from that cut in the head, I really wonder if the ghoul parents of Arima and co are the moms…
Finally, it explains Kanou’s words to the Yasuhisa twins about himself and their father:
if V encompasses the Washuus and the Washuus were ghouls who wanted to become more human, to possibly follow the example of the fearful One Eyed Washu who was a hybrid, then the ghoulification research that Kanou mentioned (which so far is about creating ghouls, not humans, probably by the sunlit society) must have been for the sake of V getting more and more powerful, not the main Washuu family.
It seems it’s finally all adding up. Now what’s left to know is how the Clowns are tying into all of this (since Furuta chose to go to them for a plot-relevant reason surely) +…
why Hide was apparently trying to avoid the Washuus.
So have I told anyone about my theory that what Nico was talking about in that scene from ch62 was related to stuff they saw/lived through in the Sunlit Garden?
If not, that’s related to this theory (you can directly scroll down to the reblog).
Hi Anon! And nope, not really, because Dragoneki woke up due to Mutsuki attacking him right after he went to sleep and anyway, Hide said that Chigyou predicted Dragoneki would need to physically rest at some point.
So, maybe I’m wrong, but I think that more generally “inactivity” might become Kaneki’s new creed for the following arc to come, because…
More than simply pushing him to blame himself though, what Rize is saying is that if he keeps on fighting, he’ll trigger the death of more people that he loves, which is why Kaneki concludes that stopping here is what will allow him to protect what’s left of them.
So “Rize” (who again is himself) is introducing the idea that “passivity” should be his new way to protect the people he cares about. As such, I also agree with @hamliet that “Rize” might eat “Kaneki” next, as an opposite parallel to the Aogiri arc when he “ate” her to gain her strength (I mean, if he’s going to stop doing anything, then he doesn’t need strength anymore, right?).
Back to the reality world, it might simply be translated into Kaneki 100% blaming himself for becoming a monster and not believing that he’s able to change the world, just like he was supposed to do…
first in TG, as the first artificial OEG who was a part of both worlds, as described by Yoshimura
then in :Re as the OEK.
However, more than learning from his failures and not even realizing that the Dragoneki situation did allow humans and ghouls to work together for the first time, Kaneki will probably stick for a time to the fatalistic idea than nothing can change, just like Touka currently (so they’ll be a set there again in this possibility).
Of course this won’t be his final stop point in his development journey, because V will be his shot at getting redemption for what he did as Dragoneki, by protecting everyone and finally realizing how useful he is:
However, if V threatening everyone isn’t enough to do the trick and motivate him because he’ll still be scared to fuck up and cause more death, then Kaneki (and Touka) realizing that changing the world is necessary for their baby’s future might once again allow him to find his resolve:
when fighting against Arima in Cochlea, Kaneki was ready to just let himself die, but then he decided to live on and to take on what Eto and Arima were expecting of him, because he had nothing else to live for.
Meanwhile in the current arc, Kaneki doesn’t want to die anymore, but “Rize” (who is just a part of him) is pushing him to believe that he’s so useless that it’s better to stop fighting in order to avoid more death.
In one way that seems pretty grim and depressing, but I’m personally super glad that it might have laid to rest all the femtoneki theories. x)