Hey, all jokes and UT/Claudia feels aside, am I the only one thinking it’s interesting that UT doesn’t appear to be willing to discuss this? Unless it’s just because it’s Seb who’s asking, which would explain why the twin seems to know?
Anyway, you’d think that since everything where UT is concerned (as well as several arcs) started with Claudia, he’d be more… vocal or explanatory when it comes to her, especially since he also said stuff like…
unless her death left him so broken that he can’t discuss the topic?
I mean, considering that our!Ciel knows nothing about his grandmother…
UT’s silence might be similar to Vincent and Frances’: whatever happened to Claudia, no one was able to mourn her properly (and UT probably even less than everyone else), hence why no one is willing to mention her?
Or maybe it’s just plot convenience because Sensei is after a better timing to tackle the possible UT/Claudia backstory…
I’m just on the fence about UT’s words also possibly being Yana directly hinting at us that she’ll never confirm/deny any UT/Claudia or UT = Cedric theories, thus leaving it “to our imagination”.
I don’t think that Undertaker would be very vocal about Claudia. He probably cherishes her so much… He cried when he was thinking about Vincent, and Claudia seems to have been even more important.
I do hope we’re going to find out somehow, through someone else or from his memories, idc. It’s such an important detail, we can’t just leave it to our imagination – can we? Together with our!Ciel’s name?
What I find even more interesting is that the twin seems to know. Real!Ciel seems to know a lot of stuff… hmm.
No worries I agree that I’d love to get more details, I’m just worrying about Sensei being mean with us. xD
Otherwise, yeah I agree: if no one talks about Claudia (Vincent, Frances, Tanaka and UT) it might as well be because her end was awful, like Vincent. And you’re right, maybe he didn’t want to mention her in the newest chapter because he would have cried like he did in ch105 about Vincent…
and it’d be logical that he didn’t want Seb and/or Ciel to see that :3 good point!!
It would also make sense because, if the twin knows, then it means UT is not against discussing it with our!Ciel (especially since he compared him to Claudia twice already). So it’s probably a very sensitive topic and the timing as well as Seb’s presence doesn’t make it right for UT to mention it now.
Because clearly it seems ever since the Campania arc, if not before, everything UT did shows that he’s going against his own words that he used to warn Claudia amongst others. So yeah, either he’s inwardly aware of how low he reached after she died or this arc is going to make him understand that.
Selective memory that he doesn’t want to share with Seb on top of it being a painful subject like ch105 does make sense to me. :3
Hey, all jokes and UT/Claudia feels aside, am I the only one thinking it’s interesting that UT doesn’t appear to be willing to discuss this? Unless it’s just because it’s Seb who’s asking, which would explain why the twin seems to know?
Anyway, you’d think that since everything where UT is concerned (as well as several arcs) started with Claudia, he’d be more… vocal or explanatory when it comes to her, especially since he also said stuff like…
unless her death left him so broken that he can’t discuss the topic?
I mean, considering that our!Ciel knows nothing about his grandmother…
UT’s silence might be similar to Vincent and Frances’: whatever happened to Claudia, no one was able to mourn her properly (and UT probably even less than everyone else), hence why no one is willing to mention her?
Or maybe it’s just plot convenience because Sensei is after a better timing to tackle the possible UT/Claudia backstory…
I’m just on the fence about UT’s words also possibly being Yana directly hinting at us that she’ll never confirm/deny any UT/Claudia or UT = Cedric theories, thus leaving it “to our imagination”.
More than one custom coffin
I’m sorry I was mostly out this weekend when spoilers showed up, so maybe someone already noticed it but….
if one of these coffins was for real!Ciel during his process of becoming a bizarre doll, can we safely bet that the other coffins were for “putting back together” other… corpses? To avoid them decaying?
If so, who? The other star lords?
or the lockets?
Or maybe they were empty and just to be used as bench?? -_-
UT was really serious this chapter, actually, I wonder if it’s just because of the topic or if it’s a combination of that and his goofy old man act starting to crack, since he seems so tired
Something maybe is going very wrong already and he hasn’t admitted it yet…?
I 100% agree that his attitude seems way more serious than usual, maybe because he’s tired (and since we all more or less always agreed that his usual behavior was mainly a part of his creepy act) or because he’s trying super hard to pretend everything is fine when it might not be.
It also goes with the last chapter’s cliffhanger
…even if his joy to present real!Ciel as his masterpiece sounds genuine because it means he finally achieved his goals.
Honestly though…
I love @dorkshadows‘ take on it, but otherwise I also wonder if the attack on Soma/Agni might not become the crack in the current arc and its final confrontation, as well as why UT might be feeling that something is wrong, thus why he’s acting more serious/tired than usual.
I mean, it’s just a guess of mine, but if UT isn’t pro-violence where the Phantomhives are concerned (even if it’s extremely ironical coming from him):
And if that’s what he feels about real!Ciel too, then the events of ch126/127/128 could be something that UT ends up not being happy about.
Right now, we don’t know what triggered the attack:
did real!Ciel show up to see our!Ciel and got triggered by Soma touching him?
did he get jealous about Soma and his big brother act, so he planned to attack him/the urge hit him when he met Soma?
we also don’t know if UT knew about what happened before or after it actually took place (some say he was driving the cab but idk)
or maybe it’s Bravat’s side that allowed for the situation to happen (since real!Ciel is the blue star) and UT couldn’t stop it in time
finally, worst case scenario would be UT finding out about real!Ciel planning to attack the town house but, having no control over the twin, he was forced to comply with it.
Depending on which explanation it is, if the attack on Soma and Agni is something that happened outside of UT’s careful watch or that UT simply couldn’t stop it in time, then it could hint that real!Ciel might not remain his masterpiece for long. ://
And if that’s the case, I wonder till when UT will be able to deny it and lie to himself that things are going well…
After 141, it’s clear that UT considers Real!Ciel his masterpiece and cares a lot for him as a revived Phantomhive. But he doesn’t seem to care about RC as a person, instead going on and on about how lovely a doll RC is, even though he himself said RC has freewill and actions. It’s ironic that UT, for all the effort and devotion he put into RC, considers him a doll first, person second- he’s not wrong, per se, but it clearly upsets RC:
^ RC does not appreciate being touched against his will or being talked about like he’s not even there.
Then I got to thinking, we know our twin duos are Sebastian + Our!Ciel, and UT + Real!Ciel. OC says he doesn’t trust Sebastian. But what about RC’s feelings towards UT? I think it’s possible that RC loathes him at most, dislikes him at best. Remember when this happened in the Green Witch arc?
^ Being forcefed through the funnel during his mustard gas episode traumatized OC so badly that he relived his moment in the cult:
This happened moments before RC’s death, so the physical and emotional anguish is doubled. Now, in the current arc, we found out RC was there as well, and probably went through the exact same forcefeeding routine:
^ RC’s likely triggered by many of the same things OC was, such as having things shoved down his throat. Then in 141, we find out after he recovered RC’s body, UT’s been experimenting on it…
^ By shoving tubes through his nose and throat, while RC can do nothing but helplessly lie there and be carried around.
And since UT’s taking RC everywhere to observe OC, we know RC was sentient this whole time… meaning he could feel UT shoving those tubes into him, regardless of how gentle or not. At this point, RC had no free will and could do nothing but be UT’s doll.
^ He was sentient here as well. We already saw how OC reacted to the funnel. Who knows how horrible RC felt about having that thing shoved through his chest? We can only imagine UT’s been doing this to him non-stop for the past 3 years.
^ So then, when he had the chance to attack UT, he did. Of course, this was on the Campania and maybe RC was just a mindless zombie compelled by instinct. But he was aware of what’s going on around him and is inherently more advanced than the other BDs’. Maybe he doesn’t have to go around eating people in a search for souls or a substitute.
Maybe here, he wanted to bite UT, since now he can finally move on his own, and this is payback for everything UT’s done to his body while he could do nothing but watch.
And lastly here, RC just looks irritated and resentful. Even his line, “What do you think you’re doing!?” is angry. But UT doesn’t care, and this probably fuels RC’s dislike farther, because again, he’s being regarded as an object, and not his own person.
So in conclusion, based on this evidence so far, I think RC and UT are not emotionally close, and if anything, RC probably hates UT, which is ironic given all the care UT supposedly has for the Phantomhives. Of course, RC must know UT’s the only reason he’s alive now and able to see his brother again.
So the way I read it, going by this interpretation, RC tolerates UT’s presence and toying with his body because he regards UT as a means to an end. He needs to use UT to stay alive and take control of OC. UT arguably objectifies RC the same way Sebastian objectifies OC’s soul, and RC uses UT the same way OC claims to use Sebastian.
But this doesn’t mean RC is grateful towards UT or appreciates what he did. Because it happened against his will, and put him through unimaginable pain. So the moment RC finds something or someone to replace UT, he’ll probably leave and betray this reaper in a heartbeat. I’m just guessing what their relationship is at this point, but my thoughts could change depending on what happens next.
((you know what: actually your post makes me realize it’s similar for Lizzie.
Maybe UT “cares” about her too since she’s related to Claudia, but not doing anything about her crying/being depressed for months or even using her during this arc would be on the same level as imposing his wish onto real!Ciel. He’s too focused on his selfish wish to see all the damages he’s leaving behind.
Gosh UT will have amends to make if he’s not leaving the story after this arc… if he’s Cedric that also doesn’t vouch for him being a good dad, but then again since Tanaka is the one who stepped up after Claudia’s death, that’s to be expected))
I’m really intrigued by Othello’s attitude at the end of 141. Just going by what we’ve seen of him, he doesn’t seem to be an aggressive or sadistic individual. He’s otherwise pretty laidback and content with his own sphere of work. Science excites him the same way it excites Sieglinde, Sebastian, and Sascha, so nothing new there either.
But he looked so smug when he revealed himself to Undertaker on that last page. It was a total “gotcha!” moment. And I do remember Othello mentioning knowing a person 50 years ago (coinciding with the date UT deserted). That aside, Grell/Ronald/Will have reason to be upset with UT for Campania, but Grell and Ronald really only met him that one time. Grell’s got the right to dislike UT for all the trouble he caused her, and for slicing them up, but it’s not unfiltered hatred.
So what I’m getting at is- I think Othello has a personal vendetta against UT and has been waiting for the right moment to enact righteous punishment, AKA revenge. I don’t know what this grudge came from, but it’s entirely possible the two were once co-workers. We know nothing about shinigami politics, but given their emphasis on teamwork, I think each reaper’s chances of redemption and moving on/promotion depends on the collective result of their respective dispatches.
Maybe in abandoning his dispatch, UT completely shot Othello’s chances of redemption and obviously did not care about whatever situation he left Othello in. And now it’s Othello’s turn to fuck up UT’s life, one way or another.
It’d be ironic if this was the case, though, because UT’s been so preoccupied with his own emotions and plans that he’s neglected all the victims in his wake (Ex. the Campania passengers, OC, maybe Elizabeth, etc.). And he’s had no consequences, because the power’s been in his hands- none of his victims could have fought back. Until now. Othello would be a reminder that UT can’t get away with anything he wants and that for every action, there’s a reaction.
Just to point out that nothing was explained about the current arc with the newest chapter, which is once again reinforcing (for me) the idea that this arc might not just be about UT’s shenanigans.
Ch141 tells us that real!Ciel went through all of UT’s experiments that concluded in the Campania
and Weston arcs
for other bizarre dolls besides him.
The question now is how we went from UT’s coffin and the Weston arc to…
real!Ciel becoming “Lord Sirius”/”the blue star”. This is something that UT didn’t explain, without mentioning that, if bringing back the twin was the first goal of the bizarre doll project, then who the hell mass produced the idea (?) through the blue sect?
UT may not have had the time nor the need to make it a business as I pointed out before, especially since he was apparently
really focusing on the twin, which also seems to be logical when we listen to Othello said in ch119/125:
and that’s without knowing what’s up about the current arc and blood transfusions (ch108/ch115??).
Obviously science alone can’t bring someone back to life in Kuroverse and maybe that’s what UT is mocking Stoker about in the Campania arc, especially since Stoker truly had no idea how the experiment with the cinematic records worked (when UT might at least have understood how to restore the twin’s body), but still…
…I wonder if this might not be the pot calling the keetle back in the current arc where UT is concerned
indeed, at least for some parts of it and if there is really someone else/another organization involved.
He put the twin back together, turned him into a bizarre doll and whatever happened between Weston and the current arc, now the guy is convinced and overjoyed about how it finally means death won’t take anyone away from him anymore (which logically should lead to either a wakeup call or him going down for real I guess).
I guess we’ll see now that Othello finally arrived. 🙂
Just to point out that nothing was explained about the current arc with the newest chapter, which is once again reinforcing (for me) the idea that this arc might not just be about UT’s shenanigans.
Ch141 tells us that real!Ciel went through all of UT’s experiments that concluded in the Campania
and Weston arcs
for other bizarre dolls besides him.
The question now is how we went from UT’s coffin and the Weston arc to…
real!Ciel becoming “Lord Sirius”/”the blue star”. This is something that UT didn’t explain, without mentioning that, if bringing back the twin was the first goal of the bizarre doll project, then who the hell mass produced the idea (?) through the blue sect?
UT may not have had the time nor the need to make it a business as I pointed out before, especially since he was apparently
really focusing on the twin, which also seems to be logical when we listen to Othello said in ch119/125:
Knowing that Othello has most probably known Undertaker since he was a shinigami, will Othello refer to Undertaker as his real name? Will we finally find out what his real identity is?
I hope so, because by just uncovering his real name a lot of theories can be proven or debunked. We NEED to know about his relationship to Cloudia.
Hopefully he didn’t have one name as a Shinigami and a different one as his “birth” name.
I’m thinking Sensei has a good guess of what the big fandom theories are so, even if IDK whether or not the UT = Cedric theory is also a thing in the JPN fandom, I guess the next step in July would simply be to confirm or deny Othello and UT knowing each other (thus going back to the case of 50 years ago eventually)?
In my opinion Sensei giving us UT’s real name won’t be for anytime soon, especially if she wants to tease some more about the “UT = Cedric?” idea. However a confirmation that Othello and UT know each other can lead to maybe Othello telling Ciel later some stuff about 50 years ago, including why he thought that Ciel looked familiar somehow (at least if that part is related to Claudia and not the twin, which is what we don’t know).
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