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This is a post relevant to the whole manga so far, but even more particularly to the current arc, seeing as it is one of the major reasons it’s very hard to be sure of anything when it comes to future developments.

Anyway, I love Lizzie but she’s hella complex and in my opinion, Yana is totally playing on that, which is obviously not helpful. xD An example, before I explain:

Before the Campania arc, we didn’t know “the real Lizzie” because we had no hint that Lizzie even had the slightest idea what the Watchdog duty was. We didn’t have the slightest idea either that she was as badass as she is.
Literally the first hint we got that something was up with her was when she reacted midly surprised to Ciel holding a gun to her face, more shocked that he’d point it at her than of the fact he was holding a gun in the first place.

This is what I mean by Lizzie’s ambivalence: her character can always be read in two completely opposite ways

and the reason for that is

because she was presented as having two radically different sides rather “late” in the story, compared to when she was first introduced.

The contrast between her naturally extremely cheerful personality (her love of cute things)…

and what she was taught by her mother (her badass side) was never foreshadowed until the Campania arc, but retrospectively, now that we know about it, it changes things. For example: 

• you can wonder if the attack on the manor during the circus arc really had Lizzie being clueless about the situation and not even wondering why a part of the manor had exploded during the night.
• you could even use this contrast to explain why her parents let her go alone to any party, especially to one held by Druitt, a rather popular womanizer (and also human trafficker, not that her parents had to know). 

This leads to one of the major differences between Ciel and Lizzie, narratively speaking: Ciel initially hardly knew anything about the Watchdog duty because Vincent died before he could teach him anything…

so he had to learn on his own, which is probably why everyone always notices when he fails to be a completely obedient doggy (even if what UT said about him being relatively different from his predecessors is probably another big reason). 

Meanwhile Lizzie had her mom by her side from the beginning, her mom who trained her to be as strong as the Watchdog’s wife needed to be in order to survive. And Frances factors heavily in this difference with Ciel because she herself used to be a Phantomhive. In other words…

these are what makes Lizzie the badass girl she is and, more precisely, her mother’s lessons are creating the ambivalence of her character, because without Frances’ teachings, the Lizzie we know would simply be the girl we saw until the Campania arc.

So the fact there was another side of her from the beginning and that Yana kept it completely hidden for a while (no foreshadowing at all when we know Sensei loves foreshadowing) could be a narrative choice made to be completely relevant to Lizzie’s role in the story.

To get back on the initial subject and to explain what I meant regarding the current arc, when you see Frances (who’s the one who taught Lizzie everything), do you think she’d even buy Bravat’s fortune-telling?

Personally I don’t think she would. 

Now, when it comes to Lizzie, what do you think?  Because there is a difference between enjoying a little vibe of mystery (who doesn’t like a deviner trying to guess stuff) and completely buying the words of a total stranger, especially when they seem to know about your fiancé who coincidentally happens to be the Queen’s Watchdog and an important target of the Underworld. 

And this is but one example of why the ambivalence of Lizzie’s character is such. a. pain. when it comes to the current arc, because you could argue that Lizzie’s reaction to Bravat’s “prediction” was genuine…

• we know she’s been worrying about Ciel hiding something big ever since the Easter chapter, which was in April and Liz met with Bravat in August
• she’s young and that’s the main difference with her mother who’s a grown adult and who experienced much more than her

…just like you could argue that Bravat’s words possibly frightened her because they were too accurate and, while Ed was yelling, she was busy wondering if Bravat was a possibly dangerous enemy (and in that case, the reason she went back to see him is because she wanted to evaluate just how much he knew about Ciel until, well, Bravat revealed something much more unexpected).

Another example would be:

Lizzie’s words to a sleeping real!Ciel in ch113. It’s something I remembered last week and that I shared with @thedarkestcrow​ because to this day we still can’t explain her words: What did she mean by “I can’t save you”? Why does she think that?? And save real!Ciel from whom or what???

There again, Yana making her character ambivalent is leading me to imagine two radically different possibilities:

1. she feels guilty about not being able to give him her blood to save his “radiance” => I’ve personally always found that idea so very stupid (and thus not like Lizzie) considering that she was born with her blood type and that it can’t be helped, buuut I guess the situation could be confusing and painful enough for her to be manipulated into thinking that she’s useless. 

2. she’s actually implying that she wanted to save real!Ciel from the sect, but it’s proving to be much harder than she expected (hence why she cries) and so she stays by his side, watching the sect killing people while she can only imagine why they brought back the twin and what they intend to make him do once he’ll be “ready”.
   In that case, it’s also no wonder Paula said she’s been constantly crying.

See what I mean? Lizzie’s ambivalent character is proving to be a major pain for the current arc, because we know she was raised by a woman who wouldn’t have taken two shits coming from the blue sect, but Lizzie is not her mother as she’s younger and more inexperienced than Frances.

So what we saw of Lizzie’s actions so far in the arc gives us two big interpretations as to what her role is supposed to be:

• was she manipulated by the blue sect to be an hostage to use against our!Ciel?
• it is the most popular take on her role for this arc: the sect baited her with the twin and she’s choosing his side over our!Ciel’s for the moment because she’s confused and pained by the truth facing her. 
• hence Bravat’s words in ch123, taunting Ciel with Lizzie’s choosing the twin over him. 
• or was she trying to double-cross them from the beginning (both for real!Ciel’s and our!Ciel’s sakes)?
• this part actually belongs to a bigger crack theory I discussed with @thedarkestcrow (with at least UT and Tanaka being involved in the same plan) but I’ll spare you otherwise this post will never end. xD
• simply it would imply that, from the moment she learnt about the twin, no matter how confused and pained she was, she didn’t choose him over our!Ciel, it’s just that she wants to save him from the sect and has to pretend to be on their side in order to do so.

TL;DR ¯_(ツ)_/¯ we can thank Yana for creating such an ambivalent character because she’s extremely interesting that way and also it’s making things extra hard for us when trying to understand what’s going on in the current arc. xDD

I know this subject can lead to controversy because some readers might want to argue that I’m reading too much into things (which is definitely a possibility) or that Yana is not good enough to imply so much through only Liz’s character though, so I’m ready to discuss the subject if anyone wants to share their thoughts. :))

omg.. You put into words something that has been bothering me as well. Elizabeth seems to be perceptive and insightful enough to at least sense the gazillion fishy things such as Ciel’s return after the cult incident, or the textbook sketchiness of Bravat.

But why does it seem like she’s a powerless hostage now?

I am in favor of your double-cross theory tbh ahjdkfdkd
That this is all part of a very calculated move. That she is as ‘politically’ savvy as she is a genius with swords. hahahah but a lot of this is wishful thinking from my side asdjfsj save me

@rheaaasss I MEAN, I’M SO GLAD SOMEONE ELSE AGREES WITH THE POINT I’M TRYING TO MAKE! 😀 Thank you so much for reading ❤

You know, the other thing I noticed when you look at the arc overall is that it has been about nothing but deception until now:

1. initially, many readers thought the boy in ch108 and ch113 was our!Ciel but nope, turns out it was zombie!real!Ciel
2. then many readers and Ciel & Seb thought that the blue sect was all about researching about blood transfusion but nope, from what we saw and what Sieglinde said, they’re already way past that stage
3. everyone thought that UT was the mastermind for a long time because the dead is being brought back + he was shown in ch108 and ch120, while in fact there are several hints that might indicate that it’s not him this time.
4. everyone think that Liz’s role is apparently to be a confused damsel in distress but, well, that’s what my post above is about xD
5. Finally, Tanaka not being particularly surprised by real!Ciel’s return raised an alarm in most readers’ mind.

The common point between UT, Lizzie and Tanaka? They would never choose between the twins as long as they can avoid it, because both twins matter to them. 

Back to Lizzie herself, as you said, she’s indeed very perceptive and she was skilled enough to hide a huge part of her true self from both Ciel and Seb for years (Ciel being clueless is one thing, but Seb is a demon and he too was completely surprised)…

so her double-crossing the blue sect would be something she could pull off.

Last point for now but, since Frances taught Lizzie so much, I have to admit her attitude about her daughter’s disappearance in the current arc is bothering me because it feels off. I know that many readers (me included) decided to say it was plot’s convenience, but a part of me still isn’t ready to accept it.

The reason for that is simple: when you look at Frances during the Campania arc, as she was fighting against undead corpses while the ship was sinking, all she did was confirmed with Seb that he knew where Lizzie was and afterwards she just said…

which meant, to quote @akumadeenglish‘s explanation, that Frances was not worried in the slightest but rather extremely proud, because she knew Lizzie would protect Ciel at all costs.

So I have some troubles acknowledging if Frances really is clueless about her daughter’s whereabouts in the current arc, because Frances showed before that she completely trusted in her girl’s abilities and judgement.
In other words, in the event that Lizzie is involved in what is “a very calculated move” (with Tanaka and UT?), to use your expression, then… 

• either Frances is aware of the whole thing because Lizzie consulted with her mother before “running away” (since her mom is the one who taught her everything and Lizzie’s ultimate role model in life)
• or Lizzie decided not to involve her family, but Frances knows her daughter enough to realize that she must have a good reason to be on her own like that.

Anyway, sorry for rambling, it’s just that a lot seems to rests on the ambivalence of Lizzie. On the one hand, what we saw of her character so far wouldn’t make the idea of Lizzie double-crossing the blue sect so hard to believe, especially if she’s not the only one who’s trying to do so (UT, possibly). 
On the other hand though, the fact that she’s young and that the situation with the twin is really confusing and painful vouches for the opposite idea that she could really be completely helpless for now.

I guess we need to go back to present time before we can get any additional hint for either idea, but nonetheless, it’s been bothering me so I’m using this opportunity to let it all out. xD

Thanks again for reading and leaving your thoughts, I’m glad I’m not the only one who considered this possibility. :))

Reblogging ‘cause I haven’t spoken of Lizzie in a while since we haven’t seen her for two and a half years, without mentioning the fact the flashback most likely isn’t over, so here again is one of my fave theories for this arc while we wait for more developments.

UT, Tanaka and Liz remain wild cards as far as I’m concerned and with the info we currently have, Tanaka because of his apparent lack of surprise (?) in ch130 and UT for all the reasons @frederickabberline stated in their recap post here.

I also still think Lizzie will possibly get hurt before the arc ends, since we “randomly” found out that Wolfram has the same blood type as her in ch119. So blah blah, if she gets hurt, could be because the twin simply goes bonkers (wouldn’t be surprising -_-) or because she isn’t a faithful little sheep. Or both, which leads to the same ‘yay’ results.

I so agree, and I do want to see the double crossing theory far more than any other. And this is way more consistent with what we had seen so far with Lizzie, rather than being a pure hostage. I was iffy about it from the start, but now I’m even more convinced that she wants to save both. Because it is something that is in her character, she won’t ever abandon one for the other, but she will do her very best to save both.

^^^^