…is the source of everything instead? And the people who received one of these special nuclei that Furuta also “gave” to Kaneki led to creating those monsters in each ward…
omg but if that’s the case then it means…
…that this scene isn’t about her being reborn but about her being pushed beyond the point of exhaustion because she had to fuel all the (23?) nuclei so that…
karnkjzbkjbazjkb can Rize get a break or be saved sometimes soon?
IDK ever since Mutsuki’s Rc count at 3 I can’t help but wonder if what matters isn’t an always high Rc count but rather the ability of these Rc cells to multiply fast when necessary. In that case maybe the Rrc and Trc from the new chapter make sense as two different conformations that would promote or rather slow the Rc cells assembling into a huge kagune or kakuja. Ehhh sorry to bother you with that. Not being English, I kinda have some issues with explaining bio stuff sometimes ^^“ 2/2
Ahh I’ve been trying to think of what these terms could mean all week but we don’t have any clues at all.. but you might be right! That could definitely be the sort of terms they describe!
Usually I would say I don’t think it would be the same as enzymes with different binding affinities since cells don’t have a particular substrate in that way but since it’s fiction *shrugs* it could definitely be loosely based off that, especially since we already know that Rc cells have different ways they attach and interact with each other and this is why we have different kagune types
so perhaps this is a measure of their activity state or their ability to “weave” together into a strucure- how many Rc cells are highly active, how many are lowkey active and how many are inactive. Which is how Mucchan was able to go under the radar with having a count of 3 parts per volume Rc cells.
Whatever it is, it told the researchers that the kagune was changing states
So the ratio of those numbers must be some measure of the Rc cell state. I’d be guessing it would be close to stem cells going into a dormant state.
Hey you know how we all figured Uta was a one-eye who tattoo’d his other eye to hide that?
What if he was a one-eyed ghoul, gained a second one from the spores, and they’re permanently active because of dragon.
TY for coming to my TED talk.
Not only that, I think it’s also implied that Furuta and Kaneki may be heading there as well. In the most recent art it’s Kaneki’s human eye that’s obscured and considering the blood it almost looks gauged out.
In contrast to say this, where Kaneki was clearly keeping only his human eye uncovered.
Whereas Furuta shares the same pattern in his art, in his colored cover for “Good News” he has his ghoul eye exposed and his human one obscured.
Then later on in the actual canon we see that Furuta’s ghoul eye is the only one that remains whereas his human eye is scarred as well as the entire left side of his face where his human eye once was.
It makes me wonder if the caption for Furuta’s colored page is relevant. “You’re going to continue on living? But you’ve never even experienced death.” Both One Eyed Kings are shown at point despite being ghouls themselves presenting themselves as more human than ghoul for various reasons.
So perhaps it’s a karmic consequence for the two of them for seeing themselves as more human than ghoul, that they end up losing their one remaining human eye.
The One Eyed King being a flawed title to begin with for those seeking to build a world of cooperation between humans and ghouls, as it relies on power and standing above others to accomplish that rather than communication and understanding of those around you. It’d be interesting then if all of the ones who have called themselves one eyed kings, can no longer be one eyed anymore by the end of this.
(Also the Odin symbolism, Kaneki having to gauge out his human eye and sacrifice it to finally be able to understand ghouls like he’s wanted to since the beginning of the series and not just the limited view he currently has).
(Also also, this could be what Uta’s role is if he truly is the original one eyed king. He’s associated with the sun tarot and illumination, and therefore he could guide Kaneki into realizing and accepting his place in the ghoul world instead of trying to rise above it as a king, just as Uta once did and Uta also craves to be in the center of things rather at the outskirts where he feels he belongs.)
(Also 3x combination, Uta is also quite literally eating an eyeball in the scene where his sun tattoo is first revealed as well).
You are not. Welcome to the club of people who think Furuta could live/want him to live. It’s not about what you deserve or don’t deserve in TG, after all. And Furuta had a truly, truly terrible life. I would prefer him not to follow in the footsteps of his brother and parallel, Arima, and commit suicide.
Basically there are two ways this ends: Rize eats Furuta, as he wants, and unlike where Kaneki said No and refused to kill Arima (as he wanted to commit suicide via a loved one exactly like Furuta), Rize gives Furuta what he wants. However, if this is to happen, the narrative really cannot have him die laughing. We saw Furuta’s mask slip in 146 when he and Ui were talking after the Dragoneki eruption, and we’d need to see more of that vulnerability (we’re probably getting flashbacks this next chapter), and also him realizing in the end that (just like Kaneki realized) it did not have to go this way.
However, the other way it could go is Rize refuses to eat Furuta, and he actually lives (those V agents are so dead though). He might not survive the aging (unlike the others) but for him to be denied the grand culmination of all his dastardly plans–his death, which is an affront to the series’ themes of living, even if it isn’t stylish–would be a fantastic thematic and character moment for Rize, because she’s always been a tool used by men and hated it, and I would just love for her to refuse to do what they want. Ishida also likes to fulfill foreshadowing through subversion rather than through the most obvious route.
Tinfoil hat, I would love it. As much as I want the original OEK to be Itori this does imply it’s Uta:
That just looks like Uta to me. (Donato=another possibility though.)
That being said, the vessel and nucleus idea you suggest is verrrry interesting and I would certainly not mind it–Itori’s mask seems unlikely to be random, after all. And if Itori and Uta do know more about how it worked last time (pretty likely) that could provide incentive for them to show up and warn people about what might really be going on–well not really the CCG, but certain people like Yomo.
@hamliet thank you for paging me, Kate-chan and Anon! :3
Actually, I kinda reblogged and added some thoughts on this very subject this morning (but OP is to thank for making a post about it in the first place ’cause I was too lazy to make my own) so yeah, I agree with Kate-chan that hints logically seem to lead to Uta for the moment.
I won’t lie tho, I’m such a fan of the Uta/Itori dynamic and the link they seem to share (+ Itori is such a lovely mystery too) that I did consider the same thing as Anon initially and frankly I’m not 100% ready to let go of this crack theory, namely because of Itori’s mask hinting that she’s a big player too.
Besides, didn’t Sensei just blow everything out of the water by revealing that Rize (and not Kaneki) was Dragon this week? So who knows, after all the snake on Uta’s tattoo has two heads and it would make more sense for Uta’s tattoos to be about 100 years ago than about the present (which was still the future for him when he got those tattoos). x)
Uta alone just makes more sense for now because (I think) it’s about having the same kakuhou (which is the case with Kaneki & Rize but maybe not Uta and Itori since I doubt they’re even the same RC cell types). Maybe. Ah well, who knows 😀
Here’s a short not well articulated kinda drunk sounding theory. It’s more like a collection of ideas really… I read a few theories and was also personally thinking about how Kaneki’s body is being purposefully used and then discarded only as kind of breeding vessel for a new phase and life cycle of dragon. And story wise that makes sense but I think that’s possibly only really because the natural process was kinda hijacked by using an artificial ghoul not because it’s natural for the life cycle of the dragon to truly kill the host.
Because I mean… Kaneki is an artificial dragon. In the case of the original OEK dragon (Well… it was called “Serpent" or Naga but same kind of being) the kakuhou and it’s DNA actually belonged to the natural born OEK, meaning the dragon was probably just trying to make a new clone of itself. (Probably Uta)
Like some weird fungus that feed off itself and tries to remake it’s host (which is also itself in the case of a ghoul) as well as creating more of itself. (What if it was turning humans into ghoul’s with it’s genetics so it could continue feeding on it’s own genetics like what triggered it’s creation in the first place)
Maybe the reason Kaneki probably doesn’t seem to have healed is probably because the dragon is supposed to recreate itself at the end of it’s life cycle since it’s original form is left worn out by the process. (Maybe in some weird biological attempt for the half ghoul body to rid itself of it’s human-ness it just kinda explodes in a mass of confused genetic data when confronted with an excess of it’s own RC cells and kakuhou and then recreates it’s self as a “pure” ghoul and all Kaneki’s human data was thrown out after numerous failed recreations though I have zero proof of that, I said this sounded drunk, I know only very little about biology also it doesn’t explain the “spores” turning humans into ghouls)
So even though it seems like it might have made some attempt to recreate him (see all the lifeless clones in the eye/eggs) probably because he was dragon’s originator and his kakuhou does (or did) seemingly store his genetic data perfectly enough to literally regrow parts of his brain with their memories intact (maybe it didn’t work recreating him for the same reason his arms didn’t grow back right his body was wearing down and the genetic copies were corrupted. Though if Nishiki’s theory about the telomeres being lengthened by a large influx of RC cells this concept it bull shit)
Unfortunately for Kaneki his kakuhou isn’t truly his and the kakuhou’s in the Furuta coffin children squad and “nucleus” definitely weren’t.
Or maybe Rize literally regrew from the nucleus in primordial soup of her own DNA and her RC cells that was dragon despite Kaneki being the dominate copy it tried to make initially. Maybe that’s why it remade her perfectly. IDK Because there had to be some precedence for the creation of the egg for Furuta to know about but I doubt the “nucleus” (whatever the fuck that is) of the original OEK was separate from him and then consumed and yet the egg was probably still somehow created if Furuta knew about it as a possibility.
Finishing writing this I can think of numerous reasons why saying all of this makes no sense and I’m just sort of spitting what comes in my head without researching because it’s 3 am and I can’t sleep. But maybe this will at least trigger a thought in someone else.
@littlemissymonster actually, this makes a lot of sense to me and this saves me the trouble of making a post because this is basically what I think too. 🙂
I agree with you, there should be yet another parallel between what Kaneki became in the current arc vs what happened with the Nagaraj 100 years ago, especially since Furuta admitted to being inspired by a legend/fairy tale…
except that as you said, where Furuta was expecting Rize to be “reborn” (because it was Rize’s kakuhou in the first place), the same OEG probably was recreated from the Nagaraj 100 years ago.
Here’s the thing for me: I find it’s really interesting that the kakuja tried to pull Kaneki back in…
…because it means that Kaneki being saved from his kakuja is just really the result of a big luck (starting from Tsukiyama being able to gather so many metal detecting devices in record time to the Qs helping Touka). Whereas 100 years ago…
…the original One Eyed Washuu very probably couldn’t be extracted from his kakuja which led to it turning into stone after its eyeballs were destroyed.
In other words, this is how I’d sum up this possibility based on a parallel between the Nagaraj and huge kakuja!Kaneki…
In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if Uta was “reborn” more than just once over the last 100 years, considering the flashback with Yomo (assuming he told the truth to Kaneki of course) + stuff like gasmask86 and it works also regarding those clones both he and Kaneki are able to make…
The biology details for how/why Rize could be reborn from Kaneki + the Oggai are a bit lost on me right now (even if I think that Kaneki not looking so well is possibly because all that he ate was used to fuel the kakuja and maybe recreate Rize), but if ghoulism is akin to parasitism, in the end it’s not so surprising that Sensei would introduce a life cycle (based on monoxenous development).
I’m sure Furuta or someone else will explain soon anyway but it’s fun to consider ideas. :))
I actually have no idea and I’m DESPERATE to find out more. There are 3 most likely options here:
lab!Rize is dead. Kanou transferred the “nucleus” from lab!Rize into Furuta, Kaneki consumed part of Furuta and the nucleus, dragon!Rize was reborn from the genetic coordinates within this nucleus.
lab!Rize is alive and dragon!Rize is a clone made from the nucleus. There are now 2 Rize’s?
dragon!Rize and lab!Rize are the same person. Kaneki’s dragon consumed lab!Rize and since she has the same kakuhou/kagune/Rc cells as Dragon, she has been healed/regenerated inside the egg
The way Rize said she was torn asunder and put into tiny coffins, as well as how her and Kaneki are now whole, I think number 1 is the one I’m leaning towards but HOOOO BOY I can’t wait to see what happened. Is she gonna help Furuta now? Is she conscious enough to have agency? Does she have memories of her past life??????
Hello Anon! And yes, possibly, that’s what I’m thinking at least. 🙂
She’s not the only one, but @hamliet recently wrote a good meta about Furuta still ultimately wanting to die and I do still think that he’ll want it done by Rize’s hand, especially if that can help her get herself out of being usedby everyone.
I’m currently not sure what Furuta’s plan is, why he’s still with V, what he did or intends to do to Rize (because these are all points that are likely to be answered in the next chapter), but from the way he referred to her lately, I’d say that Rize is bound to grant him that old wish of his…
because she’s “an ally of his”.
Furuta had a terrible life so, while this doesn’t excuse his actions, the fact he’s conscious that he’s a tragic character and that he’s been actively making the plot move forward might allow him to finally die the way he wanted it to happen long ago.
That’s my take on it at least and, for all I know, it could change next week with the chapter about “Furuta and Rize”. :))
I hope it helps for now though, even if it’s to take with a grain of salt, as always. Have a nice day Anon!
Hello! Ahhh, from what I saw, you weren’t the only one Anon. 😉 However…
just like for Kaneki, it’s likely to just be a parallel of situation and not of characterization.
Of course, seeing ch128, it’s possible for Rize to be forced to become some kind of antagonist to the CCG and Kaneki’s side, however, it doesn’t mean that her character will follow the same development as Griffith/Femto. Rize had similar shitty years of being tortured just like it happened to Griffith, I’ll give you that, but I don’t think Dragon!Rize is going to become an equivalent to Femto.
In the first place, while Femto might be one of the executioners of the Idea of Evil, he’s still “free” in the sense that he’s bound by the law of causality to still go for his dream no matter what (that’s why he was chosen from the beginning), so he was given a corporeal body and an army of Apostles and he just does things his way, since his way is benefitting the Idea of Evil anyway.
Rize though, the poor girl, as far as we know she always only was a tool to one antagonist or another, so as you can see it cannot exactly lead to similar developments.
I don’t doubt that Ishida-sensei reads Berserk, it’s an absolutely amazing series for a reason, but let’s not say he’s not creative enough to develop his own plot twists without basing them all on Berserk and what happened during the Eclipse.
I hope it answers your question! Have a nice day Anon. 🙂
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