I wonder what would happen to Touka, I mean, she is a ghoul and she is probably immune to the poison, but she came in direct contact with the thing and her hands got super vascular for a moment (I don’t think it was because of exertion, it’s something too random to focus so much) so if it’s not her, maybe the baby since it’s not completely a ghoul?

Hello Anon and this is a good observation, but while I can’t be sure, I’m not really worried. 🙂

This is what I was explaining here and here: normally ROS is a human’s disease because they don’t have a kakuhou to regulate the oversecretion of Rc cells.

Knowing that, it does appear to be strange that Saiko got affected and Urie almost was too (since as Qs, they do have a kakuhou), so I don’t dismiss the idea that even ghouls might be endangered. However for now it makes more sense to think that the Qs were at risk simply because they’re still humans despite having an artificial kakuhou.

Besides, the whole plan seems to be about turning humans into ghouls…

so it would be logical for ghouls to still be okay, because their kakuhou is natural and thus their regulation abilities probably are more efficient than those of the Qs.

About Touka herself now, frankly I doubt that ch160 was enough to get her poisoned if that’s even possible since she’s a natural ghoul, first of all because she didn’t trigger any explosion (unlike Saiko and Urie did) and secondly, because even Urie who got more in contact than she did with those things will be okay according to Kimi.

I do agree with you though that these…

got a big focus in ch160 and so might be about more than exhaustion, especially since we know she’s been generally weakened lately due to eating human food for her baby, but still, her kakuhou should in theory be enough to deal with elevated Rc cells amount.

If anything, I was thinking this might be something that will turn out to be relevant for her baby instead as you also proposed, maybe, if just because it’s still a huge “?” on every aspect and will surely need to get addressed at some point.

This is 100% theoretical, but I proposed before that the only way for Hybrid Baby not to die in Touka’s womb…

would be if it were to develop a kakuhou and thus to be born as a natural OEG, following this concept:

We know Hybrid Baby at least has the gene for it thanks to Touka, so what’s left to trigger its kakuhou’s development (according to my long reasoning I explained in that link above) would be for the maternal environment to present a high Rc cells rates, so that Hybrid Baby will need to regulate those Rc cells and thus will develop a kakuhou in order to do so.

It’s like a mechanism of “up regulation” as long as you have the gene for it and I’m hoping that’s where Ishida is leading with this arc and future biological explanations, since we’ve seen with the recent chapters that some humans can develop a kakuhou if needed (that lady from the CCG in the previous chapter) but some others couldn’t (all those patients we saw with ROS disease).

So maybe Sensei intends to expand his explanation of kakuhou development in these humans-becoming-new-ghouls and make it relevant for Touka’s pregnancy, which would explain the focus on those veins on her hands as she was digging for Kaneki in ch160. Maybe. xD

TL;DR BECAUSE ACCHAN NEVER STOPS RAMBLING, three possibilities:

Touka will be 200% okay and the current crisis is irrelevant to her character because she has a kakuhou and thus is doing fine

in that case, those veins from ch160 were just to show how exhausted and desperate she was getting while trying to rescue Kaneki.

Touka might get affected because this crisis somehow also affects ghouls or because she’s weakened by all the human food she’s been eating lately

in that case, I’m sure both her and her baby will be alright eventually even if everyone will be scared for her sake in the meantime.

Touka will be 200% okay but the current crisis will turn out to be 200% relevant to her pregnancy

in that case, those veins could indeed have been about her getting in contact with what triggers oversecretion of RC cells in humans,
but this will only matter for her baby and most likely trigger its kakuhou development in order to regulate all these RC cells, thus making sure that it will safely be born as a natural OEG.

I hope it helps and that it’s understandable! Have a nice day Anon. 🙂

coromoor:

can’t help but get howl’s moving castle vibes from this last panel

like this scene

since Ishida drew Howl and Sophie art before [x], I wonder if that was a loose inspiration lmao

ladywongs:

ladywongs:

I PRAY THAT ISHIDA WILL FUCKING READ THIS *SCREAMS TOO LOUD* i love you

you were doing great, SHHHHHHHHHHH

More seriously though @ladywongs, this isn’t even remotely about shipping in my case, but more about achievement and character development as the arc is ending.

Look, this is what happened to Touka during the whole arc (that started back in vol13):

So in my opinion, it’s not like the Dragoneki arc has many different possibilities for an ending where Kaneki and Touka are concerned. x)

I mean, it’s really interesting that all these characters willingly allowed Touka to use them as a ladder in order for her to climb and reach where Kaneki is, because it’s not a coincidence if they think that she’s the one who has the highest chance to bring him back, and that it’s important for her too to succeed.

Not to say that they all were ready to sacrifice themselves for the sole purpose of Touka and Ken reuniting because it’s not the case, but I think that for most ghouls at least, the bond between Kaneki and Touka is seen as very significant because it’s brimming with hope and happiness:

which is also probably why everyone already cares about their baby, even though we’re one month in and its chances of survival have yet to be properly discussed.

Anyway, this was Touka a little earlier in the arc:

And back then, I remember I felt relieved to finally hear her say something like this to everyone else.

We’re talking about a woman with self-loathing/self-confidence issues, who was very contradictory about her own feelings

previously in :Re:

to Tsukiyama: ”I think it’s better if Kaneki doesn’t come back to the ghoul world”, ch42
vs to Amon: “as long as he came home, things would be alright”, ch117

because her take on life ever since the Anteiku raid arc was “we can only live while losing things” and it led her to become a little too fatalistic.

Touka is a girl who felt very self-conscious about the idea of everyone else celebrating her and Kaneki being happy (when Kaneki was just glad to let everyone know), or who was so uncertain and scared about the fate of her baby that at first she didn’t even want to tell its daddy.

In other words, this arc being partially about Touka challenging that previous mentality of hers (like Yomo did and Uta called him out on it in ch142), because she sure as hell isn’t ready to keep on living while losing Kaneki, amongst other people, makes a lot of sense to me.

That’s why, since earlier in the arc she

clearly

told the others that she too wanted Kaneki to come back and be happy, I think it’s time to tell the man himself. :))

Source: ladywongs

lionking312:

Touka’s Wings…

kingkishou:

Speaking of eyes and kagunes,

how come a ghouls as powerful as Noro didn’t have any?

@kingkishou OKAY SO I just remembered that Noro wasn’t the only one who showed no eye pattern:

remember Uta (always hinted to be a strong ghoul or OEG) and as if his kagune/kakuja was made of empty eye sockets, back in ch110?

So in Noro’s case, I’m pretty sure it’s not random either, especially since Furuta said in ch121…

Initially I was thinking that maybe Noro was Eto’s foster parent whom she mentioned in ch66 and that maybe she kept him “alive” after he was killed (by injecting her kagune into him? I mean, she did leave a “gift” to Kaneki and Banjou used his kagune for the first time after she stabbed him too) and that was why Noro was so monstrous despite not showing any eye pattern of Rc cells clustering?

Now though I wonder…

if there isn’t some link to the Nagaraj.

I mean, fom the way I understand it, I think no eye pattern possibly means…

…no Rc cells clustering and/or no kakuhou and it’s true that it wasn’t really Uta in ch110, since it was a clone he made from one of his piercings…

…so maybe that could explain the empty eye sockets pattern, if the clone thingy had no kakuhou in the first place.

Thus maybe it was the same for Noro, if somehow he was just a shell or even a clone of who he used to be…

that could explain the emphasis on a big mouth rather than on an eye pattern, just like Uta’s clone…

or even Kaneki’s, more recently.

(this one kinda looks like Noro in his final battle, just saying…)

Besides, Noro never seemed to particularly react to anyone stabbing him or cutting him in two (Aogiri arc), pretty much like Uta’s clones (”Arima” & “Sasaki”) who just kept up the sarcasm, so maybe the Noro we knew was just some kind of empty shell or clone from the beginning and the skull we saw in ch55 was just the proof that V really killed him many years ago?

TL;DR

eyeball pattern = Rc cells clustering and Rc cells cluster more densely around the kakuhou, according to Kimi => Dragoneki
big mouth pattern = Uta’s clone when he faced Juuzou & co, Kaneki’s current humanoid clones => so Noro = clone of Eto’s foster parent?

there were two (probably Washuu) OEGs before Eto in the timeline so one could be Noro, the other Uta. As long as they both had that Washuu kakuhou, they surely would have been able to clone themselves.
we still don’t know what Furuta meant by the One Eyed Washuu/Nagaraj sharing his life force, so maybe that’s also still relevant to some plot points

PS: Furuta was also associated with the mouth + teeth pattern but since I’m not sure he can clone himself, that’s not helping. ^^”

ladywongs:

what if once Touka manages to take Kaneki’s body out of there, and he’s a bit unconscious? and bleeding or just hurt, missing an arm and being a mess, she holds him against he chest and starts sobbing, and then she cries “please, don’t leave me alone…” she doesn’t really think he will hear her but she just begs, wrapped in her own desperation.

A few moments later, she hears him whispering weakly: “I-I… I won’t.”

AND THEN WE GET OUR CH71 PARALLELISM *dies*

So many things can happen tho and I’m just here, like, wanting everything.

A parallel to ch71,
“I love you”,
“Ken”,
“sorry I forgot about your cake” (from ch132),

I’m ready Sensei, just hit me up (~~and then Sensei makes V attack~~)

Do you think :re is ending with volume 15? :/

Hi Anon! Okay so, vol15 is ending with ch164 at most, so considering how Sensei is taking his time with bringing Kaneki

back, if ch164 is somehow the final chapter of :Re then we’re in for a third part for sure. 🙂

See, taking V down is very probably going to take some time, a time Sensei still has if he decides to take :Re until ch204 in my opinion, but not if he stops at ch164. In fact, most of TG’s villains so far have been about taking V down (and breaking “the equilibrium”) from the very beginning…

Kanou and Furuta teamed up a while ago in order to do that,
Kanou experimented with Rize and then joined Aogiri while Furuta joined the Clowns
Eto assisted Kanou in making more artificial OEGs (Amon, Seidou), to see who could inherit Arima’s position of the OEK when the time would be right
meanwhile Arima was keeping a close eye over Kaneki, with the same idea in mind as Eto
Furuta helped V destroy the Washuus so that he could also become the head of the CCG in order to turn Kaneki into Dragon…
…which then forced ghouls and humans to ally for the very first time in order to stop him.

So now that it’s probably going to be up to Kaneki and the rest of the cast to take V down next…

…you can be sure it will take a few more volumes after ch164, especially since we don’t know yet the real extent and influence that this organization possesses, since it encompassed the whole Washuu family.

So if Sensei ends :Re before Kaneki and the rest of the cast completely take V down, then I think a third part will be needed in order to finish everything (even if it doesn’t have to be as long as TG or :Re of course), but that’s just my opinion.

Actually, third part or not, in the end it’s about giving us all the answers and development before ending the story. 🙂 Sensei choosing to do this in :Re or in yet another sequel is not particularly important as long as he finishes what he started!

TL;DR maybe :Re ends with ch164, I have no way to be sure of that right now, but Sensei is definitely not ending Tokyo Ghoul with :Re ch164.

I hope it makes sense! Please have a nice day Anon. :))

I think i see a lot of 6 in tgre chapter 160….

Hi Anon! Yeah, apparently some people noticed some 6s!

Not sure I agree or not, since I don’t really see numbers by myself unless they’re made out to be very blatant which is not the case here xDD but anyway, a 6 would indeed make a lot of sense, since it’s the Lovers’ card…

and we got so many evidence of love in this chapter. :33

Sorry I can’t help more, tarot cards aren’t really my thing. Still, have a nice day Anon!

How long left of Tokyo Ghoul? (Redux)

amonmahboi:

So back at chapter 128′s release I predicted that Tokyo Ghoul had at least 50 chapters left until the story finished, and now over 30 chapters later, I predict that Tokyo Ghoul still has around 40 to 50 chapters worth of plot to uncover.

So with that said, let’s go over all of the unresolved plot elements in the story up until this point (:re chapter 160) divided into the necessary and unnecessary.

Necessities (What we need to know/what we need to see):

What are the Clowns motivations? (Uta/Donato/Itori/Nico)

Who is Kaiko and why does he command V?

What is the RC cell and how did ghouls come to exist?

What exactly is the V system and how did it begin?

What is the current goal of the V organization?

What happened over 100 years ago?

Who is Hideyoshi Nagachika and what are his secrets?

What will become of the Dragon kagune?

Where did Furuta go and what does he plan now?

Where is Arata Kirishima?

What will become of Kaneki and Touka’s unborn child?

What happened to Kaneki’s body after the Dragon transformation? (We will find out soon)

How is Germany and the GFG connected to the CCG?

Who killed the Yasuhisa parents and how did it happen?

Who was Noroi and how did he become Noro?

What happened in the Cochlea tunnels and what became of Eto?

How will the coexistence between human and ghoul be formed?

Additions (What we should see but is not completely necessary to the story):

What was Eto’s story in the 24th ward and how did she gain power?

How did Eto meet Tatara and form Aogiri Tree?

Who was Ukina and what was her connection to V?

How do special kagune abilities function? (Cloning, shape shifting etc.)

What makes Rio’s kakuhou special?

Who is Iyo Washuu and why was she chosen to be the wife for the current Washuu generation?

Who is Doctor Shiba? (part of the Q’s development team)

What is special about Saiko’s kagune and low RC level?

Why did Urie have two kakugan after framing out?

Who was the One-eyed Washuu?

What happened to Ichimi/Jiro/Sante?

This is everything I can think of for now, if anyone has any other important points for me to add then feel free to comment your ideas on this post.

Baby Symbolism

hamliet:

If I may, I think the panel that’s freaking everyone out does indeed look like a fetus, but it’s probably symbolism.

It shows us what’s at stake here. The 72 hour grace period is up. It’s now or never, and Touka’s child’s future is on the line. If she doesn’t dig Kaneki up now, her child will have no future. (If she doesn’t decide to fight for ghouls it won’t either).

But in the next panel the creature attacking Touka is stopped by Kaneki’s other children. The Quinxes.

The children are the ones at stake here. They always have been. The Oggai were slaughtered. The Qs are being exploited. The baby is about to be killed. But an alliance can save their future and create a better one, for the sake of the kids. And the kids have to break away from the old system and fight for a future too (hence why I still think the Qs need to leave the CCG in Judgment).

And it’s also important to note Kaneki’s taking responsibility last chapter. Touka did not save him by digging him out and I would like the magical healing vagina idea to go out of fashion. Kaneki’s acceptance of himself last chapter (which mirrors Mutsuki’s acceptance of himself earlier), should he decide to act on it (and Judgment being up next suggests he will), saved him. Physically saving one isn’t the same as emotionally saving someone, but it’s part of it–Kaneki is saving himself emotionally and mentally, but Touka is giving him the freedom to do so; it’s a 2-way street. Kaneki acknowledged the wrong that had been done and needs to seek to change that. Touka needs to seek to change the world for the sake of her kid (and I believe she will too).