Étiquette : tg:re128

About the second OEG of the timeline

Long story short, it turns out that this far in :Re, there are still fans who get confused about the timeline that we were given (I’m aware that overlapping different hints is not always easy though, so no pressure).So, due to a certain post I saw yesterday and that I can’t get out of my head, I decided to make a recap post on the subject to hopefully clear up some confusion. 

(Please note that all of this is based on the assumption that the timeline I mentioned is accurate/can be trusted.)  

Firstly, there is supposedly no need to wonder about the identity of the Nagaraj who’s a kakuja ghoul who went on a rampage 100 years ago or so, because…

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we already know he’s the One Eyed Washuu Matsuri mentioned in ch151 and we even saw what he looked like on the same occasion.

Of course, one could argue that Matsuri is lying/doesn’t know the real truth but… (personal opinion here) it’s not really the kind of plot twists Sensei seems to work with in general? 

So, without mentioning theories about a link between Uta & the One Eyed Washuu (if just because of the resemblance in ch151), while I can understand the need to imagine more complicated plot twists, I find it hard to consider that, say Itori, could be the Nagaraj of 100 years ago when we already saw who he supposedly was in ch151. 

However, again considering the timeline we were given throughout :Re, since there is another OEG/OEK that started a second rebellion after the Nagaraj’s but before Eto’s, I think it’s legit to wonder about their identity because it’s bound to be addressed eventually. 

I personally have 3 suspects at the moment:

  • Noro
  • Itori
  • and Donato

(since this post is a little late, considering the next chapter is soon, more below)

For Noro, I already explained why I thought it was a possibility along with the timeline here.

For Itori, I advanced “arguments” in different posts [x][x][x][x] but to make a really general and superficial summary (something I actually put together for @hamliet who I think love the idea of Itori being a OEG):

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This is obviously not something to take super seriously (actually I made this set as some kind of joke compared to the one I had made for Uta a long time ago), but I think that with the posts I linked to above, there is at least a small basis to consider the idea.

In general the second OEG of the timeline was less addressed than the Nagaraj, because they were defeated by the newly created V and didn’t have the opportunity to go on a rampage like the One Eyed Washuu or even Kaneki himself. 

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So far, Kaneki mentioned them in ch121, Nishiki in ch128 and maybe Roma briefly in ch135 (when she said that she went to Cochlea after “the grand party” and Roma being 51 years old, she would have only bee, born in time for the second rebellion), but as far as I could notice that’s it, which is not a lot compared to the One Eyed Washuu/Nagaraj. 

Of course, that’s not the only theory about Itori’s identity and past, another popular one being that she’s a breeder (like Rize was supposed to be), possibly already alive by the time the Nagaraj went on a rampage (@cirrocumulus-cloud made a good recap post on the subject after the latest chapter and you can read it here).

[Additional note: the ending cards of Root A episode 8, which was about Yoshimura’s backstory, were

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So as always make whatever you want from that, but Eto and Kaneki are OEGs, there are theories that Uta could have a link to the One Eyed Washuu, so there might be a reason Sensei decided to make a card for Itori at the same time too]

Finally, for Donato, it gets slightly more complicated and symbolic… 

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…knowing that this is the biggest hint, as far as I’m concerned. 

We already know thanks to Itori that the Clowns are ghouls tired of despairing, which means that it would seem legit that Donato lost more than Amon and his orphanage throughout his life, before he ended up in Cochlea for 18 years or so.

However, despite that, he’s also the suspect I am the least sure about because:

  • I don’t think he’s a Washuu (not that all OEGs have to be Washuus, look at Kaneki and Eto), but he’s also not Japanese, so it’s hard to see why a Russian OEG would come to Japan to launch a rebellion if he’s neither.
  • Not to ramble, but I also don’t think he’s such a strong ghoul. I mean, he’s definitely SS rated but I think his “cloning abilities” are possibly triggered by ghouls who were hinted they could be Washuus (and thus “their blood holds profound power”, by Kanou, ch149), namely Uta for the Clowns’ raid arc and Nico healing him in the last chapter.
    • best theoretical “proof” I have is that he apparently couldn’t make a clone of himself in order to escape Urie’s father and run away with Amon, which is how he ended up in Cochlea. 

Nonetheless, there is also some symbolism that might vouch he’s still a likely candidate for the second OEG of the timeline, but since this isn’t really something I’m good at, I’ll let @linkspooky​ explain! :3

EDIT: here are her thoughts!

idk how to phrase this question, i edited it far more time than i could admit. the old QS definitely have a role in Furuta’s play *cough*Shirazu*cough* as we see them featured when he mentioned Dragon for the first time as his ally, so maybe their role started when we saw Saiko’s « ghoulification » ? Kaneki’s role was to mass-consume the Oggais and to become what we thought was « Dragon », then he gives birth to dragon!rize and ghoulify the humans in the area. what’re your thoughts and predictions?

Hi Anon, I’m sorry for the delay, I wanted to gather my thoughts about the newest chapter before answering you! :3

So, about this scene:

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if Furuta was thinking of Rize only when talking about “Dragon” (and not about Dragon’s different nuclei, one of them being Kaneki), then this may not have been foreshadowing about the Qs playing an important role into rescuing Kaneki as we could see in ch161.

So I’m going back to my initial thought about this scene, which was that the first generation of Qs have two main roles in the story:

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And the interesting thing is that they did stop Kaneki with ch161, just like their group saved first Urie and then Mutsuki from losing themselves too, which means that the ones left to possibly stop/help at some point are Saiko…

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and possibly Shirazu (which makes sense if you consider @mawjaw​’s theory about who the different nuclei Kimi mentioned in the new chapter could be [x][x]).

Remember, Kanou was very impressed by the Qs surgery Chigyou performed on Shirazu and besides, I think Shirazu is still plot relevant considering that…

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He still wasn’t buried properly (+ that little part above “I don’t wanna die at the end of my friends” kinda sounds ominous if zombie!Shirazu is really coming back as one of Dragon’s nuclei). 

So that’s how I see things for now about this scene:

  • Saiko (+ Hsiao) saved Urie
  • Saiko + Urie (+ Hsiao and Higemaru) saved Mutsuki (+ Aura)
  • so maybe Saiko + Urie + Mutsuki, after saving Kaneki, will have to stop/save zombie!Shirazu too.

Considering that Furuta’s plan still wasn’t explained so clearly, I’m sorry that I can’t be certain of what exactly he meant to say in ch128.
Nonetheless, the Qs have always been about stopping/saving Kaneki or each other, so after this turning out to be relevant for Urie, Mutsuki and Kaneki, it may as well become relevant for Saiko and zombie!Shirazu in the future. 

Just some thoughts, nothing certain as always. :3 I hope it answers your question, have a nice day Anon!

Do you still think Uta is a one eyed ghoul?

Hi! Yes Anon, 

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still

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do. :)) 

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And the official arts by Sensei are just one of the reasons. Initially he had the possibility to be…

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either OEG preceding Eto in the timeline. After his birthday art of this year and the recent chapters though, I’m now more tempted to say he’s the second OEG of the timeline, the one who almost annihilated the CCG and who was defeated at the time by the newly-created V organization.  

Here’s the general recap post of all my theories on the subject, though some old points might be slightly outdated. I’d advise you to also read this theory by @donatoporpora because it has some good points and interesting observations!

I hope it answers your question, have a nice day Anon!

Kakugan differences

So you know Uta’s last birthday art…

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and how he’s covering his right eye, as if indicating that his only kakugan is on the left side? 

Well, what if he was the second OEG of the timeline instead of the first?

The first OEG (the Nagaraj, the One Eyed Washuu) was this guy…

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but as explained twice in the last two chapters, he apparently didn’t escape his Kakuja so he could be very old and trapped in the 24th ward.

Meanwhile, Kaneki in ch121 and Nishiki told us in ch128 about a second OEG who threatened the CCG and led to V’s creation…

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…and as you can see, his left eye is emphasized on. So what if the Uta we know is the second OEG who “was a hero of ghouls who led the CCG to destruction”?

As to whom he would be to have a Washuu kakuhou (special kakuhou with cloning abilities?) and look like the One Eyed Washuu…

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how about a rare hybrid (i.e natural OEG, like Eto) born in the sunlit garden?

Uta being responsible for V’s creation because he raised havoc around 50 years ago would also explain this:

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since Roma was sent to prison basically around 20 years ago (and they apparently knew each other from before) and since she said that she knew the “king of the underground”.

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For the record though, at this point, this title might refer to either of these two OEGs, since both were apparently driven underground:

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…And in fact, Matsuri wouldn’t be against doing the same to Kaneki:

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Finally, Uta being the second OEG would even go with @kingkishou​‘s theory that Uta somehow passed on the OEK title to Arima at the time of the Clowns’ annihilation and it also allows me to introduce one of my untold crack theories…

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…which is that the reason Uta is the only one who kept his mask on during ch98 was because he didn’t want to be recognized by Kaiko from V (since V defeated him 50~ years ago).

TL;DR Uta is probably a (natural) OEG if just because…

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…and several birthday arts that imply he only has one Kakugan. 

However, considering that the One Eyed Washuu’s kakugan was on the right side while Uta’s might be on the left (+ he doesn’t have mole), maybe Uta is another OEG from the Washuu family, except that he came into the picture half a century after the first one. 

In other words he’s the OEG Nishiki talked about in ch128.

Looks like there are two old oegs. The one Eto talked about lived 100 years ago and CCG was founded because of him/her. The other one attacked CCG after WW2.

midnight-in-town:

midnight-in-town:

Hello and sorry Anon, but I don’t recall such a thing?

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There was this guy a hundred years ago:

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And then Eto, who started to confront the CCG 13 years ago but with Arima as her counterpart playing the role of the OEK… 

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And then all of Kanou’s experiments (Kaneki, the twins, Amon, Takizawa) to end with, to this day, the Qs and the Oggai.

For now I don’t remember any other OEG, I even double checked with the wikia to be sure => [CCG] [OEGs] [Legendary OEG].
So unless I’m really missing something, I don’t see what you’re talking about (please remember that if your assumption comes from the anime, it’s not canon), sorry. :/

Have a nice weekend Anon. 🙂

EDIT: OMG MY MISTAKE!!

I apologize for my confusion Anon, you were absolutely right! 

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OMG, thanks for sharing this Anon, it’s true that I can now understand why there is a misunderstanding over this and that I was completely wrong, my bad!!

Honestly, now that you mentioned it, I remember being slightly “??” in ch128 over Nishiki’s timeline with “the OEG who almost destroyed the CCG” since it was only VERY roughly making it 100 years old:

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but then I just assumed that, since the two info were brought by two different characters…

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…the rebellion with “the legendary OEG” had only approximately happened 100 years ago and that they were talking about the same thing.

However now that you Anons both brought it up, I realize that you’re right and that something is definitely off: 

  • because on the one hand, we’ve got Eto talking about what seems to be “the CCG’s creation” 100+ years ago to defeat an extremely powerful OEG
    • that’s “the legendary OEG” mentioned by Eto in ch61.
  • and on the other, Nishiki talked about what seemed to be the creation of “V”, somewhere that sounds like it was earlier than 100 years ago
    • that’s the OEG who apparently created the 24th ward and he was mentioned by Kaneki in ch121 and Nishiki in ch128.

So…

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yeah it makes sense that there were 2 OEGs: the one who started the whole thing 100 years ago (the legendary OEG) and who led to the creation of the CCG + the one who almost destroyed the CCG (the OEG who created the 24th ward) and who led to the creation of V.

And Kaneki’s side believes that the one who created the 24th ward (the second OEG) is still alive, which is who Ayato was searching for in that city below.

The question is who are they and which one is “the Nagaraj”? 

I always had two candidates in mind for the role of who I thought was the only OEG before Eto: Noro and Uta. However, now that there very possibly were two OEGs before Eto, they might both fit for the roles.

  • When Noro died, all that was left was a skull: 
    • so it’s possible he’s the legendary OEG because the skull meant he was at least 100 years old? => I’m being careful here tho, because we can’t be sure.
  • On the other hand, Yoshimura gave Eto to Noro in the 24th ward and Yoshimura was old enough to be of the same generation as the second OEG :
    • so maybe Noro was the second OEG and the creator of the 24th ward, which is why he took Eto (another OEG) under his care to protect her from V, the ones who had previously defeated him (and for whom Yoshimura used to work)
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Uwah, so many thoughts… Hopefully we will learn more about this from the kids Ayato will bring back (if Touka is still around to translate)!
The best part kinda is that Kaneki’s side is looking for the second OEG, the one linked to V and to the 24th ward, when the one still alive probably is the legendary OEG who started the whole war (Uta?). xD

Again, I apologize for being really misleading with the timeline, especially to the first Anon. Truth be told, I’ve been stuck on the Roze arc in my rereading of :Re (I’m not fond of this arc :/) hence my confusion and writing off all of this as one event with an approximate timeline. Now I’m really excited to find out more, thanks to you two!

Thanks again for pointing this out! Have a nice weekend Anon. :))

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Hello again Anon :3

Well, you’re the one who mentioned two OEGs in the first place. xD However, seeing the two distinct timelines we were given (one by Eto about “the CCG, 100+ years ago” and one by Nishiki about what seems to be “V, earlier than 100 years ago”), it seems to mean there were indeed 2 troublemakers before Eto. 

I think that Ishida is definitely trying to confuse us though, probably because there is supposed to be an unexpected development somewhere, but I really can’t say where he intends on tricking us. 

That’s why we can’t be sure of who did what, if they were really 2 or only one who attacked twice, and who “the Nagaraj” was. And that’s why I’m hoping the kids with Ayato…

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will shed some light onto this specific plot point. 

Anyway, no matter if there was one or two, or if Noro is one of the two or not, we’re definitely going to learn more about Eto’s childhood in the 24th ward at some point and surely about Noro as well…

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So it seems Ishida still has quite a lot to tell us, hence why it’s hard to be sure of anything. x)

For now I’m vouching for two OEGs before Eto, with Noro being the one who built the 24th ward and welcomed Eto because of what had happened to him with V. When it comes to Uta, it’s trickier because so far the idea only rests on symbolism, but we’ll see. 🙂

Thanks again for passing by, I hope my answer did not disappoint this time! ^^

Have a nice weekend :))

I spent my morning reading all your posts about Uta/OEK and I’m kinda mad I never noticed the similarity between the skull king and his birthday art from last year. You’ve got a great eye and I love this theory so thank you for sharing!

Hello and aww, thanks for reading Anon! :33

I just want to address something though, because you’re not the only one who told me they were bothered about never noticing this possible (emphasizing on the fact it’s not certain at all) hint:

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But that birthday art of Uta came out last december, which means when we were around :Re ch100-105 in the story, while the idea of a OEK before Eto/Arima was briefly introduced in ch121 (aka April of this year)…

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and only expanded on in ch128.

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For me, it even became tangible that this guy might actually be pretty meaningful only at the time of ch135, because I was basically just shrugging before and thinking that there was no way he would even be alive. 

So there is really nothing to be mad about 🙂 it was literally impossible to even think anything of Uta’s last birthday art up until fairly recently and, even right now with this possible hint, this theory remains nonsensical for many people, because it’s still way too uncertain.

Anyway, thanks again for reading all my posts on the subject Anon :3 I’m glad if you think this crack theory makes some sense! Have a nice day. 🙂

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Hello! Please check @amonmahboi‘s post on the subject that I reblogged today 😉 hopefully it should answer your question!

Just think that Furuta wants the same thing as Kaneki, but to make it happen, he needs to be the villain that Kaneki, as the hero, will have to defeat. [x][x][x]

Have a nice day, Anon!

I’ve been rereading TG and I noticed when characters discuss ghoul related topics a shadowy figure appears. In TG chapter 40 pg 10 when talking about how ghouls kill their emotions a young ghoul is shown with only a left kakugan. In chapter 65 pg 4 when discussing kakuja a figure with only the left kakugan shown is releasing a Koukaku kakuja. In re chapter 128 pg 10 the legendary OEG is shown with only a left kakugan and his hair parts the same as the child. Could they all be the same person?

Hello Anon! So I went back to check and you’re right, there is always a ghoul shown in those chapters. 🙂

For the kakuja panel, I think it’s simply supposed to illustrate what a Kakuja is like, but I believe many people are convinced that the character represented was Arata, since it does look like a Koukaku. 

For ch40 and ch128, I’m not sure that they’re the same person. I always thought Yoshimura was thinking about Eto in the discussion of ch40 and it looks like her dress. As for ch128, they were discussing the previous OEK and they’re expecting him or her to be alive, so that was probably his/her shadow! 
Some people mentioned that the shadow of :Re ch128 looked to have the same parted hair as Yoshitoki/Furuta, implying that maybe the previous OEK has a link to the Washuu family originally. 

So I don’t think they were the same person, but in ch40 and ch128 they can be taken as direct examples for characters that Ishida had (ch40)/has (:Re ch128) yet to expand on.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Anon and have a nice day! 🙂

Okay, so I’m confused with Tokyo Ghoul: re chapter 128… I didn’t really see anything that insinuated Touka was pregnant. Maybe I missed some pages? Anyways, could you tell me what people are talking about and how it leads to Touka being pregnant? Thanks :)

Hello! And no worries, there was no real hint per se in the chapters aside from two panels. This one

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and this one

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However Tsukiyama might be just talking about Touka herself, and the panel with Nishiki could be a red herring for all we know. 

The concept of Touka being pregnant at some point in the story is based on different interpretations of symbolism in the first place. The idea was reinforced by the events of ch125 and both are now mainly the reason people are theorizing that the panel with Nishiki (and also the one with Tsukiyma) could be a hint that she’s pregnant.
Here are a few links towards these theories more or less based symbolism in case you don’t know what I’m talking about:

So you didn’t miss anything in this chapter as far as I noticed, the pregnancy theories have been going strong ever since ch122. xD I hope my answer helps a little though. Have a nice day! 🙂

an equilibrium, however twisted

hysyartmaskstudio:

Before I start, I just want to say that this isn’t a theory I’m entirely sold on myself, but I figured I would put it out there, along with the possible evidence, just in case.

Until now, we have been led to believe that the 24th ward was a hell hole where ghouls skulked around in tunnels cannibalizing each other, evolving into monstrous insane kakujas. Just a wild orderless mess of tunnels and lairs that Eto was lucky to survive at all.

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Much of what we have seen of it appears to be maintenance tunnels, drainage systems, and sewer lines. Even the rather spacious place Kaneki’s group has taken up in seems to be built within an abandoned subway project of human construction. Between these underground spaces, we are told, are a series of unmappably convoluted and treacherous tunnels, full of crazed ghouls and traps, such as kagune walls, which, Kanou informs us, must feed on something to be maintained. 

And yet, deep in the 24th ward, we find an entire city.

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Cities require a degree of mutual cooperation and organization we have not at all come to expect from the 24th ward. One we haven’t even come to expect from most of the ghouls living on the surface. The ubiquitous mindset that might makes right, that the strong have the right to take whatever they want, whenever they want it, does not seem conducive to what Ayato sees before him.

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Not to mention the fact that this city is so far down that it’s almost too deep to carry enough provisions to make it to the surface and back. 

How exactly does this city exist?

How can an entire city of ghouls get enough food to live in even relative harmony so far down?

Afficher davantage

littlemissymonster:

Something interesting this chapter is we’re seeing the strain on both Goat and the CCG.

The CCG’s constant violent extermination campaign hasn’t left enough money to care for their injured. But without their constant offensive they might not be able to hold the tides.

Goat’s pacifism under Kaneki is leading to a lack of food for the underground ghouls as if there was death there would at least be more bodies to keep them alive. But this would greatly undermine their message…

All and all I think this points to one thing. This war can’t go on forever.

Source: littlemissymonster