I’m partial to SeiAki, I’ve always loved the “arguing like an old married couple” trope. I love how Seidou’s envy of her is mixed in with his attraction and, as 115 suggested, romantic feelings for her. The way they’re constantly torn between fighting alongside each other and fighting against each other is really something to watch; which reached its ultimate culmination on Rushima, where he almost killed her only to later choose to risk his life to save her. And Akira’s hidden care for him is also very moving when she lets it show.
But I find it works just as well as an unrequited love – or rather, an unrequited romantic interest, because Akira said herself that she loves both Takizawa and Amon. This is a very angsty ship so the unrequited suits it well. I just hope to see them fight unreservedly on the same side in the future, not fighting amongst themselves or directly against each other. But all that said, I still approve of Akiramon, especially because of all the Touken parallels.
@dreamofcentipedes I hope you don’t mind, but OMG I absolutely agree with you and I just wanted to add, because I see too many people “forgetting” about this ever since ch121, that Akira never indeed to this day made any difference between her feelings for Amon and Takizawa, so it’s not like either ship currently prevails over one another.
Akira may have left with Amon in ch121, but Takizawa had already left first in ch118 and, again, Akira’s feelings never did anything but put the guys on the same level:
Of course, she apparently kissed Amon in ch121 and so she might indeed end up with him, but both Akira and Amon are currently stuck in their character development, which is something that only Seidou can help them with and which means the Seiakiramon dynamic isn’t set in stone at all.
As for Seidou, as you explained in your other post, he needs to confront them again because he’s totally running away from them out of a wrong assumption of still “not deserving to be by their side”, which is yet another argument as to why the whole dynamic is in for more significant developments.
I wouldn’t say that polyamory is more likely as an ending for this dynamic when ch121 did seem to give an advantage (so to speak) to Akiramon, but my point is that Akira’s character has always been Defined by keeping a lot bottled up inside (see Gori’s words in ch143 before she finally starts crying), which means that she’s bound to address her feelings for the two men again (either to finally discriminate between them or to end with both).
Again, I hope you don’t mind my two cents :3 Great post!
And the official arts by Sensei are just one of the reasons. Initially he had the possibility to be…
either OEG preceding Eto in the timeline. After his birthday art of this year and the recent chapters though, I’m now more tempted to say he’s the second OEG of the timeline, the one who almost annihilated the CCG and who was defeated at the time by the newly-created V organization.
Here’s the general recap post of all my theories on the subject, though some old points might be slightly outdated. I’d advise you to also read this theory by @donatoporpora because it has some good points and interesting observations!
I hope it answers your question, have a nice day Anon!
Hello and sorry Anon, but I don’t recall such a thing?
There was this guy a hundred years ago:
And then Eto, who started to confront the CCG 13 years ago but with Arima as her counterpart playing the role of the OEK…
And then all of Kanou’s experiments (Kaneki, the twins, Amon, Takizawa) to end with, to this day, the Qs and the Oggai.
For now I don’t remember any other OEG, I even double checked with the wikia to be sure => [CCG] [OEGs] [Legendary OEG]. So unless I’m really missing something, I don’t see what you’re talking about (please remember that if your assumption comes from the anime, it’s not canon), sorry.
Have a nice weekend Anon. 🙂
EDIT: OMG MY MISTAKE!!
I apologize for my confusion Anon, you were absolutely right!
OMG, thanks for sharing this Anon, it’s true that I can now understand why there is a misunderstanding over this and that I was completely wrong, my bad!!
Honestly, now that you mentioned it, I remember being slightly “??” in ch128 over Nishiki’s timeline with “the OEG who almost destroyed the CCG” since it was only VERY roughly making it 100 years old:
but then I just assumed that, since the two info were brought by two different characters…
…the rebellion with “the legendary OEG” had only approximatelyhappened 100 years ago and that they were talking about the same thing.
However now that you Anons both brought it up, I realize that you’re right and that something is definitely off:
because on the one hand, we’ve got Eto talking about what seems to be “the CCG’s creation” 100+ years ago to defeat an extremely powerful OEG
that’s “the legendary OEG” mentioned by Eto in ch61.
and on the other, Nishiki talked about what seemed to be the creation of “V”, somewhere that sounds like it was earlier than 100 years ago
that’s the OEG who apparently created the 24th ward and he was mentioned by Kaneki in ch121 and Nishiki in ch128.
So…
yeah it makes sense that there were 2 OEGs: the one who started the whole thing 100 years ago (the legendary OEG) and who led to the creation of the CCG + the one who almost destroyed the CCG (the OEG who created the 24th ward) and who led to the creation of V.
And Kaneki’s side believes that the one who created the 24th ward (the second OEG) is still alive, which is who Ayato was searching for in that city below.
The question is who are they and which one is “the Nagaraj”?
I always had two candidates in mind for the role of who I thought was the only OEG before Eto: Noro and Uta. However, now that there very possibly were two OEGs before Eto, they might both fit for the roles.
When Noro died, all that was left was a skull:
so it’s possible he’s the legendary OEG because the skull meant he was at least 100 years old? => I’m being careful here tho, because we can’t be sure.
On the other hand, Yoshimura gave Eto to Noro in the 24th ward and Yoshimura was old enough to be of the same generation as the second OEG :
so maybe Noro was the second OEG and the creator of the 24th ward, which is why he took Eto (another OEG) under his care to protect her from V, the ones who had previously defeated him (and for whom Yoshimura used to work)
Which would leave Uta as the legendary OEG mentioned by Eto, the one who started the war 100 years ago:
Finally about the Nagaraj, we don’t know if he’s the OEG who created the 24th ward but we know he’s the one who apparently destroyed that city deep down:
Uwah, so many thoughts… Hopefully we will learn more about this from the kids Ayato will bring back (if Touka is still around to translate)! The best part kinda is that Kaneki’s side is looking for the second OEG, the one linked to V and to the 24th ward, when the one still alive probably is the legendary OEG who started the whole war (Uta?). xD
Again, I apologize for being really misleading with the timeline, especially to the first Anon. Truth be told, I’ve been stuck on the Roze arc in my rereading of :Re (I’m not fond of this arc :/) hence my confusion and writing off all of this as one event with an approximate timeline. Now I’m really excited to find out more, thanks to you two!
Thanks again for pointing this out! Have a nice weekend Anon. :))
Hello again Anon :3
Well, you’re the one who mentioned two OEGs in the first place. xD However, seeing the two distinct timelines we were given (one by Eto about “the CCG, 100+ years ago” and one by Nishiki about what seems to be “V, earlier than 100 years ago”), it seems to mean there were indeed 2 troublemakers before Eto.
I think that Ishida is definitely trying to confuse us though, probably because there is supposed to be an unexpected development somewhere, but I really can’t say where he intends on tricking us.
That’s why we can’t be sure of who did what, if they were really 2 or only one who attacked twice, and who “the Nagaraj” was. And that’s why I’m hoping the kids with Ayato…
will shed some light onto this specific plot point.
Anyway, no matter if there was one or two, or if Noro is one of the two or not, we’re definitely going to learn more about Eto’s childhood in the 24th ward at some point and surely about Noro as well…
So it seems Ishida still has quite a lot to tell us, hence why it’s hard to be sure of anything. x)
For now I’m vouching for two OEGs before Eto, with Noro being the one who built the 24th ward and welcomed Eto because of what had happened to him with V. When it comes to Uta, it’s trickier because so far the idea only rests on symbolism, but we’ll see. 🙂
Thanks again for passing by, I hope my answer did not disappoint this time! ^^
I just want to address something though, because you’re not the only one who told me they were bothered about never noticing this possible (emphasizing on the fact it’s not certain at all) hint:
But that birthday art of Uta came out last december, which means when we were around :Re ch100-105 in the story, while the idea of a OEK before Eto/Arima was briefly introduced in ch121 (aka April of this year)…
and only expanded on in ch128.
For me, it even became tangible that this guy might actually be pretty meaningful only at the time of ch135, because I was basically just shrugging before and thinking that there was no way he would even be alive.
So there is really nothing to be mad about 🙂 it was literally impossible to even think anything of Uta’s last birthday art up until fairly recently and, even right now with this possible hint, this theory remains nonsensical for many people, because it’s still way too uncertain.
Anyway, thanks again for reading all my posts on the subject Anon :3 I’m glad if you think this crack theory makes some sense! Have a nice day. 🙂
Hello! Please check @amonmahboi‘s post on the subject that I reblogged today 😉 hopefully it should answer your question!
Just think that Furuta wants the same thing as Kaneki, but to make it happen, he needs to be the villain that Kaneki, as the hero, will have to defeat. [x][x][x]
Thing is anon, being stuck in the past is only considered a bad thing on the assumption that the past cannot be regained. So what’s really bad in that scenario is “longing for what you cannot have”. This does not apply to Touka Kirishima. Touka is not only able to regain the past, she has done it.
To continue from the life she once knew at Anteiku, Touka needs the old staff: Kaneki, Hinami, Yomo, Nishiki, Koma, Irimi, and Yoshimura. Everyone on this list is alive, and 6/7ths are currently with Touka at :re. In the case of the old manager, Touka has adapted the same calm, wise and parental aura that surrounded him into herself, and now her coffee tastes just as good as his did. Another important member of her old life, Yoriko, is also alive and is on course to reunite with her very soon. Even Ayato, the part of her life that was still missing even during those happy days at Anteiku, has come back to her side. The only irretrievable element are her parents, but even there, Yomo has provided closure for the issue of the mother she never knew, and as we;
It’s not just Touka that wants to recreate Anteiku either.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: wanting to go back to Anteiku is a sign of sanity in this series, because Anteiku is entwined with the concept of hope. The hope for Ghouls and Humans to live alongside each other. Yoshimura’s hope for Eto to recover her humanity. Touka’s hope for Kaneki to survive and find his way in life again. Whenever someone leaves Anteiku, their life takes a helter-skelter towards the tragic; both Kaneki and Hinami can testify to that, and it was people from Anteiku that saved them both at Cochlea. So yes, please do recreate Anteiku, Touka! It’s because you did that Kaneki and Hinami and all the lost souls of Goat have a home again. She’s done far more than just pine for Kaneki for all those years, she’s recreated the TG universe’s symbol of hope.
Touka’s arc was about recovering her empathy and ability to connect with others – to abandon Kaneki now would reverse all of her positive change, especially now after Akira’s just left him. It’s not as if she’s gambling everything on the chance Kaneki returns her feelings either – she genuinely wants to help him, and all she needs in return is for Kaneki to remain in her life. As for the contrast with Akiramon, that (now canon) pairing had the same level of ambiguity as Touken; Amon blocked her kiss the first time, and it was unclear whether he felt the same as she clearly did.
I think a lot of the time people mistake Ishida’s thematic intentions utilising characters with those characters own individual motivations. I don’t think Touka’s trying to pick off where they left off, I think Ishida is – that’s why he had Touka dye her hair black. He’s trying to emphasise that this is where the original story continues proper, now that Kaneki is back at home; Tokyo Ghoul :re was Kaneki’s attempt to abandon his old story and start a new one, but his return to a second Anteiku with his old friends proves that he can find happiness in the world of his original story. The old story has finally found its way back on track after tragedy sent it flying off the rails.
Hey Anon! Yes, I definitely agree that it could go down this road indeed ever since Furuta showed Hairu’s severed head to Ui.
Besides, we all know that what’s above was already tried by Kanou with the investigators he used on Rushima to fight Kurona, thanks to analyzing Chigyou’s Qs surgery in Shirazu’s body. It is frightening to imagine how much further he could still go though, especially with the help of other CCG scientists.
Also, since Kanou brought in all that he had with him in Aogiri, that means that more than just investigators might be brought back. Basically, I made a small list of the characters that unfortunately I think Kanou could bring back:
Gagi & Guge (since he once said he’d try to Naki)
Shirazu
Hairu
Kijima
Karren (if Kanou is allowed to bring back a ghoul who will be made an ally of the CCG)
Houji maybe if the CCG collected his body and his head
Tatara maybe (if the CCG have the body and they can be sure to control him)
many unnamed characters
There are two others cases that frighten me if Kanou can now really bring people back from the dead, namely:
Arima -> because he was the strongest and anyway I think he deserves to rest
Shinohara -> because we know he still has a strong impact upon other investigators (Juuzou but also Kiyoko, Kuroiwa…) so I doubt Ishida intends on leaving him in the background and if Kanou can bring back the dead, he might unfortunately be able to do something about Shinohara’s coma.
So this part of the new chapter really isn’t good news and I’m hoping that Juuzou, Urie, Kuramoto and the others (that I’m nicknaming for fun “Matsuri’s army” in reference to HP) will be able to stop Furuta and Kanou at least temporarily, even if, frankly, I really doubt it.
Anyway, I agree with you so thanks for sharing your thoughts Anon! Have a nice day 🙂
Hey Anon 🙂 Aww, it’s true it seems it’s going to be such a disproportionate fight isn’t it? ;_; I mean, since Kaneki is even supposed to be dead for the ghoul world too…
…Goat might not manage to gain so many more ghoul followers, or at least that’s how it sounds with the last chapters. Basically Kaneki has Goat and the Great Wheel act, although Ogura’s group probably isn’t made to be fighting with weapons.
That being said, Anon please don’t despair yet, because:
as we saw with the last chapter, some proeminent figures of the CCG (Juuzou, the Qs, Kuramoto) are now completely doubting Furuta, which means that the entire S3′s squad (under Juuzou’s direction) and the Qs (Mutsuki and Aura being complicated cases) might not fight for Furuta
I still don’t think the Clowns are loyal to Furuta’s side and will help until the end, as I explained several times before. 🙂
I definitely can’t completely count on Juuzou immediately switching side and fighting with Kaneki, even if we know they see each other as friends, because Juuzou said he’s supposed to be “Shinohara’s successor” and Shinohara, even if he knew that the world was unfair, always fought for the humans.
So, I don’t see Juuzou fighting for Furuta (not after the new chapter), but Juuzou might decide not to fight for Kaneki either (at least not directly), because he might decide to protect humans, as Shinohara (and the ideal CCG) would have done.
….That’s just my wishful thinking there by the way but, if Juuzou were to somehow create a “third side” (fighting in order to really protect humans as Shinohara would have done), I could see Amon and Akira joining him (since Amon doesn’t want to fight just for the ghoul side and Akira will probably end up making a similar choice because of her parents). So this “third side” would be against Furuta but not necessarily against Kaneki, even if they might not fight alongside him.
As for the Clowns, well, I still don’t think they care about being allied with V, they’re probably on their own side as they’ve always been, but they’re interested in Kaneki so who knows if they might not side with him at some point.
For now, I see them as wild cards: I think they’re still all about their own side, but if Kanou/Furuta/V somehow threaten the Clowns’ plans, they might decide to help Kaneki’s side while still remaining a separate group.
TL;DR the future looks grim but it’s not completely hopeless yet! 😀
I hope it helps, even if that’s just a theory and I could be totally wrong. Please cheer up Anon and have a nice day 🙂
Hey Anon! Yes, I definitely agree that it could go down this road indeed ever since Furuta showed Hairu’s severed head to Ui.
Besides, we all know that what’s above was already tried by Kanou with the investigators he used on Rushima to fight Kurona, thanks to analyzing Chigyou’s Qs surgery in Shirazu’s body. It is frightening to imagine how much further he could still go though, especially with the help of other CCG scientists.
Also, since Kanou brought in all that he had with him in Aogiri, that means that more than just investigators might be brought back. Basically, I made a small list of the characters that unfortunately I think Kanou could bring back:
Gagi & Guge (since he once said he’d try to Naki)
Shirazu
Hairu
Kijima
Karren (if Kanou is allowed to bring back a ghoul who will be made an ally of the CCG)
Houji maybe if the CCG collected his body and his head
Tatara maybe (if the CCG have the body and they can be sure to control him)
many unnamed characters
There are two others cases that frighten me if Kanou can now really bring people back from the dead, namely:
Arima -> because he was the strongest and anyway I think he deserves to rest
Shinohara -> because we know he still has a strong impact upon other investigators (Juuzou but also Kiyoko, Kuroiwa…) so I doubt Ishida intends on leaving him in the background and if Kanou can bring back the dead, he might unfortunately be able to do something about Shinohara’s coma.
So this part of the new chapter really isn’t good news and I’m hoping that Juuzou, Urie, Kuramoto and the others (that I’m nicknaming for fun “Matsuri’s army” in reference to HP) will be able to stop Furuta and Kanou at least temporarily, even if, frankly, I really doubt it.
Anyway, I agree with you so thanks for sharing your thoughts Anon! Have a nice day 🙂
LMAO Anon please! xD But you know, I can’t really blame you for asking this, seeing as myself I wondered about it briefly yesterday after that unpredictable cliffhanger. xDD
Seriously though, at this point considering that Touka might be a Clown would be the most cracky theory I ever had on this blog, so I’m not going to even call it a crack theory but it’s true that:
Roma is younger than Touka but Roma is one of the Clowns so Touka being younger than most Clowns wouldn’t be a problem.
Uta once had interesting words about Touka in ch11
Touka was well acquainted with Uta and Itori
Honestly, the only reason I could see for Touka to be a Clown (the unpredictable question aside xD) would be that, when Ayato left and joined Aogiri, Touka had her own rebel period (something that was still visible in TG) and could have maybe been influenced by Uta and Itori (since she knew them).
That being said, since Yomo and Yoshimura were watching over her and she was working with Koma and Irimi, I really doubt she was influenced by anyone but them and her own life experience (Yoriko, school, meeting Kaneki and Hide…).
So, I’m sorry Anon but I really think that this scene…
…is either about Touka making a joke so that Kaneki will smile/laugh before they actually talk (since he wasn’t looking so good lately + Akira left so Touka might be thinking that he needs to cheer up), or she’s genuinely curious because she wonders if he didn’t leave a girlfriend at the CCG, someone he wouldn’t want Goat to kill (or something like that). 🙂
Thanks for the funny ask though, Anon 😀 And have a nice weekend!
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