OH YEAH I’M SURE I MEAN DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT HE WAS SHOWN EATING IN THAT FLASHBACK OF VOL12??? @hamliet
He sure seems to like those xDDDD
“I always wanted to eat you. Make me feel alive” [x]
Yomo loves you Uta… I need it.
No but for real this isn’t going to end with one killing the other. They can’t do it and I also think what Uta says to Yomo about wanting to feel alive is key to the entire series. Uta is alive but he doesn’t feel that way (hello Kaneki and Furuta parallel). He told Donato in 116 that he preferred to live life on the outskirts because he couldn’t connect with people. He’s rationalizing his frustration at Yomo not understanding him (because he similarly doesn’t understand Yomo and can’t understand people in general–and that lack of understanding/empathy means he can’t feel alive because TG is all about connection between people) by saying he will eat Yomo and he’s always wanted to, when we know that’s bullshit.
The solution to someone feeling unable to connect isn’t going to be die because you can’t connect. Uta has got to learn to live with people regardless of whether he’s the Nagaraj or not. And anyways people who have those who care about them tend to find connection so I’m so not worried lol.
Hmm, sorry but I think there is a mistranslation in whatever translation you read for ch116 @hamliet because actually what he said was…
…the opposite. He wants to stay in the thick of it precisely because it’s lonely to be on the sides.
However otherwise, I agree that Uta’s main problem is that…
…he’s been treated like a reprobate all his life (the reason for that still unconfirmed), which is why he possibly said something about “wanting to feel alive” through flipping his switch and going all out against Yomo.
Maybe he took Yomo’s words a little too at heart indeed, because he sees Yomo as a friend and Yomo said he can’t understand him, but I doubt Uta is the one who lacks empathy in general here. Rather he feels he can’t connect to others despite probably being able to/wanting to, precisely because he’s been treated for a long time by others as a reprobate, at least that’s my opinion.
It’s not just a view of the mind in his case, that’s what I mean. 🙂
Anyway, I don’t think that what you said (which is the most likely conclusion of this fight, I agree at least with that xD) will come from Yomo, or at least not just.
I actually really dislike writing a post before having read a full chapter, so I will just say that I saw & read a spoiler that is possibly confirming another theory that I wrote for ch148. More on that later, but I felt bad leaving you with a mistranslation. :3
Wow, hold your horses for a sec there Anon! First of all, even if it doesn’t excuse anything or their madness, Mutsuki didn’t rape anything alive: they raped a “clone”/dummy of him that changed shapes to look like Sasaki Haise.
As for his reaction, it’s his entire scene of ch116:
As for other people’s reactions, well, you have your primary example with Donato: he didn’t seem to be that shocked, though that’s the Clowns for you. xD
Whatever suits your preferences I guess, Anon. There is nothing I or you can do about it though. Give the chosen actor a chance, maybe he’ll surprise you in a good way!
mmmm MMMMMMMM I think in some ways yes, because its LONG overdue Kaneki and Amon working together. Amon was first introduced to the shady shit in the CCG by Eto with the Sphinx liquid and was thrown right into the middle of it when Aogiri kidnapped him and turned him into a half ghoul. His ‘rebellion’ (is that the right word?) against the CCG has been set up for quite some time so I’m highly anticipating where Amon’s character goes from here.
Eto’s interest in Amon is immediately suspicious considering how well she’s planned for the future OEK and manipulated… basically the whole of Tokyo, if not Japan, to set it all up. I know we as a fandom talk about Amon being a secondary candidate for Eto’s OEK, but I think it’s also worth thinking about the possibility she wanted Amon and the OEK to work together. With all of Eto’s plans to influence the public through her King Bilegyr book and Takatsuki Sen’s fame, Amon could also turn out to be a HUGE tool for influence within the CCG- something that Eto wouldn’t be able to have too much sway over herself.
Amon- well respected, overall adored by his peers, a rising star in the CCG, sacrificed himself during the Anteiku Raid for his allies. The CCG finding out what happened to him is gonna rock the boat for sure. Amon working with the OEK even moreso. As much as I love Seidou, killing Investigators and acting like the murderous animal that most humans think ghouls are really didn’t do him any favours in gathering sympathy for his situation from the CCG. Amon on the other hand doesn’t have those same barriers as (from what we know so far at least) ate ghouls rather than humans.
I think though it really depends on how much Amon and Kaneki are wanting the same thing for the future. Last time we spoke to a coherent Amon, he hadn’t wholly accepted the fact he was part ghoul. And Kakuja Amon mentioning Mado, Donato and exterminating ghouls
shows that he’s still conflicted, especially considering he hasn’t had a chance to move on from Mado’s death and the guilt that he couldn’t save him.
Kaneki’s interference stopped Amon from reaching Mado in time back in the Rabbit Arc, just like Amon stood in the way of Kaneki reaching the Manager in the Anteiku Raid. I’m hoping in their conversation in the upcoming chapters that they will be able to come to an understanding but it really depends on how it goes and whether their goals align. No matter how desperate each of them were to speak to the other, the look they gave each other last chapter was pretty intense. Akira is in the same boat with Hinami and Rabbit with Goat too.
I went a bit off track (oops) but I think eventually Amon and Kaneki will work together although I’m looking forward to a bit of angst and tension before that
Mutsuki just says “Let’s kill?” and going off the previous chapter I think its more like Aura is going to kill Kaneki, and Mutsuki is going to kill Touka.
But it’s mostly unclear who’s even saying they want to kill Kaneki in that scene.
Ahh but they believe Furuta won’t live long, and probably think they have the upper hand in the situation. They might’ve made some kind of deal with him, and for the time-being are just using his adroitness to get shit done for their own agenda.
I doubt Furuta is really working in their favor, though. He wanted to keep his new kagune a secret from them, so he’s most likely banking on their obliviousness for some good ol’ double-crossing later on.
I don’t think Matsuri is a threat to Furuta either, but was standing in the way of V’s plans to wipe out the Washuu clan from their network. He may not have been a threat to Furuta’s ever-climbing status, but more importantly he knows too much. Matsuri actually has the potential to be a massive fucking threat, especially if he managed to escape from that fight with Kaiko.
Matsuri’s situation is weird because the scene sort of ends on a joke. “And then they fucked him up”. The whole scene is kinda funny, what with the narration and Marude delivering the punchline after (”I ended up witnessing something horrifying”). You can feel better in knowing Ishida intended this scene to be indecipherable, anon.
The only thing I found really interesting about Uta’s words – and that’s because I will consider him a Washuu until Ishida yanks that theory out of my cold, dead hands – is this:
He says, “That’s because I’m an outcast [pariah], after all. I can’t help wanting to be involved because I feel so alone”.
Which implies that he has been purposefully shunned by some community.
Since neither Uta personally, nor the Clowns in general have ever been social pariahs in the ghoul society, I’m going to conclude it’s some other involved party.
I’m also personally reading it as Uta feeling some sort of resentment towards that community (since he gets “involved” by rather destructive means).
This is a really good point, Anon. A lot about Matsuri needs to be viewed within the context of Japanese society, and the expectations that are laid out.
From birth, he has been expected to uphold a number of roles and strictly confined. He even admits to Urie that he is unhappy, and lacks freedom as a member of the Washuu clan. Matsuri admits that he was happier living in Germany, where he had more freedom. This makes sense both in terms of not being right there under his family’s thumb…..and the very big differences between Western and Eastern culture.
Japanese society places a strong value on harmony and group obedience. Individuals are expected to surrender their personal desires or ambitions, and carry out whatever duties they have to their family and society. You are born to go to school, get good grades, get a good job, and/or marry well and raise a family. You are expected to not complain, to avoid bothering others, and to know your place.
It can be a very rigid society, especially from the perception of a Western audience.
Beyond that, Matsuri is a gay man in such a rigid position. In Japanese society, LGBT people are often viewed as being “selfish” because they are putting their personal desires ahead of what society expects from them. If Matsuri follows his heart, he would not marry a woman and sire children as is expected of him. He would not uphold the duties of his position, and go against society and its order.
So his entire life is about being forced into things by his family. He is bound by the expectations of Japanese Society for a first-born male. He is bound by the expectations of his family, Ghouls posing as prominent humans. He is bound by the expectations of an Heir, responsible for marrying well and fathering children. He is bound by the expectations of the CCG, to be a flawless and steady leader.
Everything is a lie for him. His entire life has been about being trapped by those expectations. Society, his father, his grandfather, his clan, the CCG, and his wife all demanding he do, say, or be something he doesn’t want to.
Like Rize, Arima, and Furuta…….he is someone being forced to occupy a role in spite of what he wants for himself. And Ishida is kind of defying society once again, in showing the negative.
So, yeah. Matsuri bursting free of his suit while musing on his love and fighting his own kin kind of…..really cements him trying to escape everything that has trapped him his entire life.
Hey Anon 🙂 Ah, Iyo aside because I don’t want to speculate on too many different things at the same time, I personally can’t take Matsuri’s “death” seriously for the moment, so yeah it could definitely be a fake death, and here’s why in my opinion:
this post (aka Ishida throwing in memes which explains the strange tone of the narration during Matsuri’s “death”)
the fact Ishida started to delve into his character recently, which is to say ever since the Rushima arc, with a list here of all that we learnt since that arc
So, from a narrative point of view, Matsuri’s death makes no sense at all right now. Besides:
he’s obviously a threat to Furuta and V since he’s pure Washuu blood but what’s new is that he’s an even bigger threat than Kaneki for V (since V went after him instead of going after Kaneki)
which means that as the last Washuu, Matsuri has a lot of worth in the narrative since V is for now the main villain of the story
+ if Matsuri disappears, since he’s the last Washuu, we might never know the real truth behind what the Washuu family represented and storytelling-wise that doesn’t make sense either.
I know many are still salty about Tatara & Houji, but even they got a more meaningful death than he did (if he’s actually dead), and again, it doesn’t make sense when V basically confirmed that Matsuri was a bigger threat to their plans than Kaneki.
My only… big doubt that’s making me still consider that Matsuri could be dead is the fact that V are pros, so I don’t see how he’s supposed to survive and fake his death when it was basically just him vs Kaiko and his men.
Unless we go down crack theory lane and…
…we say that Nico potentially helped him (fake his death I mean, since Nico is quite the strong healer + Uta and Donato can make clones of themselves).
Honestly, that’s the only way out for Matsuri I could think of, if just because we didn’t really see Nico and Matsuri’s side of the battle and if the Nico/Matsuri encounter really had no narrative value, I don’t understand why Ishida didn’t skip the few panels of them that he draw until V came for Matsuri’s head.
Ah and also, there was the fact that Matsuri felt a “closeness” to Nico (because of their sexual orientation maybe?) so… again, if that really had no narrative value, why mentioning it at all?
Finally, Nico did a favor to Kaneki just before the battle, by giving him Ogura’s card in order for him to save Akira and, while no one can say if that’s just Nico’s initiative or an idea from the whole gang, it seems Furuta had no idea about this detail, which means that Nico at least might be doing what they want…
…which is why I’m hoping that somehow Matsuri could still be alive thanks to Nico.
I guess we will see in the next chapters though (through Urie or someone else). 🙂
I hope it helps Anon, and anyway the rule in TG is “no body, no death”. xD
Have a nice weekend!
Hey Anon 🙂 And awww, I’m sorry, but I feel this discussion could go in so many directions that I really don’t know what to tell you…
Amon and Kaneki once more or less shared the same ideals about the world though and in fact, it’s not like Amon can do anything on his own about V, so I feel that Amon would at least understand what Kaneki is trying to do.
However, I’m really not sure about how he’d feel about Kaneki’s means or simply the way he’s tackling this task, since Kaneki isn’t exactly doing such a good job in the first place (as Irimi and Ayato pointed out to him already).
So I really don’t know what to tell you: I want them to have an actual talk, something allowing them to reminisce about the past but also addressing the future and somehow starting to confront Kaneki to some of the decisions he made until now.
Truth be told, I’m hoping the talk with Amon will be the first of a long series, as in, that it will lead to Kaneki talking with other people (Akira, Touka) so that he can finally face his issues and do a better job as the OEK, if he decides to keep this title.
I’m really looking forward to it even if I have no real idea of what’s going to happen and what exactly they will say to each other, but that’s kinda nice for once not to try predicting too much. 🙂 I mean, we’ve been waiting for this talk for a loooong time (since the Anteiku raid arc actually, back then when Kaneki told Amon that, I had no idea TG was ending with ch143).
We might even get spoilers on Friday it seems 😀 so it’s only a few days away ^^
Have a nice week until then Anon and sorry if I didn’t answer your question!
I’ve had some time to mull it over and figure out what I think Uta meant by this cryptic comment
So just like Donato lost the end of his finger to create a ’clone’ of himself
Uta should have also given up some small part of his flesh to create the Sasaki Haise clone. That part of his body must have had a piercing, hence the need for a new one. Perhaps he gave up an ear… or nipple… or somethin
Hey Anon and I’m sorry but… going by what you say, if Kaneki and Touka are supposed to be the heroes and thus Will Always Survive through everything that Ishida will put them through…………….. then why hasn’t TG ended already? Why hasn’t Kaneki won the whole war if he’s that strong?
Do you see what I mean? 🙂
So not only should you not bet on anyone surviving the end of TG (because I don’t think anyone can be sure of that, besides Sensei himself) but, even if they’re supposed to survive and even if Kaneki is stronger than 90% of the cast, in the theory that Aura and Mutsuki will indeed team up against Kaneki and Touka at some point because of this scene…
…it could simply be written as another difficulty the characters will have to overcome, so that they can all gain development.
Besides…
Considering the discrepancy between Mutsuki’s words to Saiko in ch100 and their attitude in ch116, I think it’s really hard to understand how Mutsuki feels about Haise, so even if we say they want to kill Touka, for all we know they could still stop Aura from trying to kill Haise (if they still love him), if the 4 of them really end up fighting.
And can you see Kaneki actually killing Mutsuki or Saiko or Urie? Because, personally I can’t, not for now.
If Mutsuki really ends up attacking Touka because they’re jealous of her, it could also be used as a catalyst for the relationship between Kaneki and Touka, so again, it would be a subplot leading to more development, which is what a story is basically made of.
Mutsuki teaming up with Aura (who doesn’t mind if they randomly kill) is a problem in itself since that’s not what Mutsuki needs right now, so, besides fighting Kaneki and Touka, such a subplot could lead to Mutsuki gaining development if someone like Urie or Saiko somehow realize that they have to do something before it’s too late.
Also the Rize/Furuta subplot is a completely separate thing that will happen regardless of Aura and Mutsuki possibly teaming up in my opinion 😉
For now I’m not sure of what’s going on between Aura and Mutsuki, but if they actually team up to do more killing or to specifically go after Kaneki (and Touka?), personally I think that can lead to interesting development for all the characters involved, but that’s just me.
Just try to see every subplot as something to take in consideration for a bigger pattern Anon 🙂 otherwise things don’t make sense on their own, haha.
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