Do you know why furuta wants to have children, I cant picture him as someone who desires to be a father,does he want soldiers, an army or something else ???

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101 dalmatians may have been a lovely movie, but if we take a look at Furuta’s expression, the way he was drawn by Ishida, it becomes apparent that there’s something twisted in his desires and so called “love” for her.

While Furuta mentions that he helped her to escape because he couldn’t bear the thought of her being raped by his father and relatives, which is indeed a noble and empathetic gesture from his side, from there it gets ugly.

The reason why he crushed her with steal beams was because he couldn’t bear the thought that Rize bears the children from another man. He was angered that Rize didn’t show her utmost grattitude and loyalty (aka faithfullness=sexual connotations) to him after this, he was angry that she didn’t give him what he wanted, regardless of she wanted. His gesture might have been a kind one in the past, but now it turned into entitlement to an extreme extent.

He viewed her as a baby machine, as an extension to his wishes and desires (by the way, did you notice how heavily emphasised her breasts in his vision of her are?) and to himself, but not as an individual. Not once did he mention that it is what Rize wants (which wouldn’t be true either way, but you get what I mean). His love has nothing healthy, aka consensual and balanced, about it, that’s nothing but an obsession to say the least. Obsessive love and jealousy that is delusional is a symptom of mental-health problems.

The emphasis of my answer lies in objectification. While I am sure that a small part of him wants a family because he wants to share his love and have connection to people, and that includes children, the reason why he wants children is not because he genuinely wants a family but because it is an integral part of having power, belongingness and because chidlren are simply are a by-product when having a family, at least in Sunlit Garden.

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Children play a great role there, but not in a good way. Children are highly associated with status. If you are half-human? Then you are disposable and forgotten by your family. If you are a woman? Than you are highly likely a womb. The only advantage you can have in the Washuu family is to belong to the main branch and being male. Like, I know people hate this patriarchy stuff people spout from time to time, but no one can convince me that Sunlit Garden and the Washuu family are not a role model in regards to partriarchy.

So Furuta being chairman and respected by his underlings? Power boost. So Furuta marrying Rize, who might be a “womb”, but is integral to contributing to the Washuu lineage? Power boost. Having dozens of children as a formerly half human, disposable and unimportant? Power boost. And I highly suspect that he associates power with worth and confidence, just like Kaneki post-torture associated power as the only means for survival.

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Furuta, too, has a great need to be acknowledged. I have been thinking about the “One-eyed king” lately and why Furuta repeatedly asked about it. I suspect slowly but surely that he wanted to be seen as some kind of authority figure, as a saviour, just like the One-eyed king was. That he knows about “him” before Kaneki was even aware of it could mean that the OEK played some part in the Garden, as a exemenplatory story of success and great pride in their family history, Furuta, yet again, couldn’t be part of. But he couldn’t take that role for it was unreachable (abstractly, that is). The OEK outside Sunlit Garden was a legend, a beacon that a mere mortal couldn’t possibily fullfill. So why not kill that OEK if it circumstance present it?

But then Kaneki “took” that role and Furuta’s response was…

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Doesn’t sound that romantic, so heroic?

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What I am going to say might be debateable, but healthy love does not play a part here. And the circumstances they were in… Let’s put it like this. Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is based on genetics (and no, not a sickness or anything). But under forced circumstances, “sexuality diminishes” in order to replace it with connection that is desperately needed. One example would be Thomas Mann, who was homosexual, but because of the rigid social conventions about sexuality, especially sexuality, he married a woman and fathered many children. I wouldn’t even remotely say that he had any romantic feelings for his wife, but I would say that he put up with the pseudo romantical life he had with her and at one point or the other repressed his feelings, that were not compatible with the circumstances he was in.

I think this is a similar case with Furuta’s “love” for Rize. Attraction is a complex matter, I will admit that, but if there’s no trauma, negative athority figures and a damaging environment involved, I highly doubt many people would fall in love with their relatives. They established a healthy view of their sexuality, of gender and sexes and about themselves and their confidence and value as a living being.

Furuta had none of that. He knows about his origins (and about his father and his deeds…), that of “wombs” and V members, about the main branch, about how common incestual relationships are, how women and men are treated there. Nothing was a remotely suitbale for a child like Furuta, for every child. So it isn’t surprisng that Furuta feels that way for his own relative. That he is probably not aware that his love for Rize is not healthy in the least. And that’s why, in all honesty, I can’t say he ever loved (romantically, that is) her. I think she is very important to him, I think she matters to him a lot because she was one of the few people he spent time with and who didn’t hurt him (visibly, but I will come to that to another post). I think he loved her platonically, but moreover, he loved her because she was the only person he was allowed to love and because it incest was normalised in this environment. His constant sexual references to women indicate that he doesn’t have a grounded view about them. His broken relationship indicates a negative athority figure. The constant power ups and downs in Sunlit Garden enabled low-self esteem (which can do great damage).

Rize, though, became much more than his need for connection. She became an ideal, a possession in the end an obsession. Rize, as a person, is long gone, everything that remains is his broken psyche, mirrored by the embodiment of Rize in his visions and memories.

That’s why I think, in an alternate universe, where Furuta either had not experience such atrocities that went on there or if he got the psychiatric help he desperately needed (which involves years over years), his obsession for her and with it his sexual interest, would have diminished, if not vanished and what would have remained would be familial love.

I am sorry that I said more than I should, because technically, I already answered your question, but I felt compelled to do it. 

Do you think Nico can defeat Seidou as Nico is a masochist per say so if Seidou doesn’t feel pain Nico gets excited from pain

Hey Anon 🙂

Ah, err… How do I say this? Um, Nico doesn’t particularly like feeling pain??

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I was fed up [with Yamori using me as a punching ball]” is literally what they say so while they might like danger and maybe BDSM in the bedroom (that’s up to them), I don’t think you can classify them as a masochist, especially when they avoid fighting in general. ^_^

Anyway, going back to the point, I have no idea, since we don’t even know how Nico is ranked by the CCG (if they’re even ranked), but considering:

  • that Seidou remains one of Kanou’s successes (when the only other success is Kaneki while Amon and Kurona are called “failures” apparently…)
  • that Seidou took down Tatara and Houji
  • + that Nishiki and Banjou are also in the room

…I really doubt fighting will take place. Nico was never depicted as a fighter in the first place, probably more by choice than by a lack of power, so showing up to talk would seem more likely with what we know of their character. 

Just… don’t take the Clowns for granted okay? 🙂 It’s not because Donato “sided” with Furuta that Nico can’t show up just to offer a deal or info: remember how they collaborated with Aogiri while expressively explaining they were not a part of the organization back in TG? 

And now Aogiri is Furuta’s enemy too, so really

  • we don’t know what kind of deal Nico could have made with Eto three years ago
  • we don’t know just what is their personal motivation or goal
  • we don’t know if Nico might have not lied on purpose to Furuta on about the OEK back in TG ch78

so I wouldn’t consider fighting as the most likely possibility when the odds aren’t in their favor with Nishiki and Seidou also in the room + Nico doesn’t strike as someone who would choose fighting as their first mean to get what they want. 

We’ll see soon anyway 🙂 Sorry I can’t give a better answer.

Have a nice day Anon!

I feel that Donato ,Uta ,and Amon are connected some how maybe Amon orphanage friends were fed to the children clowns Uta ,and his comrades ? Maybe that is the link ?

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Hey Anon!

Well, Donato and Amon are definitely connected and maybe Donato is connected to some of the Clowns through the orphanage (Roma mainly, since she’s the youngest), but I’m not so sure about Uta (and I don’t think so about Itori and Nico either).

I mean, maybe it’s just me, but the way I see things, I think Uta joined the Clowns’ gang after arriving in the 4th ward and as a way to reach his own goals (he was already a teenager back then), so I’m not so sure of his link with Donato before he officially joined the Clowns’ gang.

With the theories I have in mind for some of the Clowns’ backstories, I think Donato (who is Russian and not Japanese) just has his own issues when it comes to how unfair this world is and over the years he gathered people who also had realized the world needed to change and that’s what the Clowns’ gang is all about.

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They’re players and tricksters, but I believe they know about the truth behind this world… 

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and they don’t lie to themselves, even if the way they do things is odd.  

And anyway, I think that if Donato put himself under Furuta’s authority (for the time being?) that was just because it is convenient to his goals, since the possibility remains that Furuta isn’t the biggest player (yeah I still don’t buy that the Clowns are loyal to Furuta). After all, Donato is a guy who strongly resembles Hannibal Lecter lol, so him surrendering to someone else’s authority just doesn’t seem logical…

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So maybe Furuta is being manipulated by Donato, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised at all (and I’m actually even expecting that) since the Clowns are the reasons he became a “king” in the first place: if they hadn’t sided with him and V, Kaneki probably would have had the advantage, so it’s rather convenient to have them on Furuta’s side for the time being. 

Anyway, sorry I digressed a bit, but I think Donato gathered people who wanted to change the world, just like he did, and the orphanage could be related to the Clowns’ gang, but I just am not sure of that right now.

Speaking of the orphanage, we still don’t know why he never killed Amon…

Aaaah, I hope this huge answer explained how I feel about Donato, sorry I can’t give a better answer to your question.

Have a nice day Anon!

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Hey Anon!

And yeah, I’d like to know where Amon is too and what happened after Saiko crushed him. Seidou and Akira are waiting for him and besides there is also Donato’s case, you’re right.
…. Without mentioning Kaneki, lol.

I don’t know if Amon will show up anytime soon though, but before :Re ends, we need to get more interactions between them, if just to know why Donato never killed Amon…

Besides Donato feeling a true affection fpr Amon, I really can’t think of anything else…

*sigh* I miss Amooooooon….. Oh well. He’ll reappear one day or another.

Thanks for passing by and have a nice day, Anon!

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Hey Anon 🙂

Ah, I already told you that I don’t think Nico showing up has anything to do with abducting Akira 😉 but Donato having a plan about Amon since he considers himself as his father figure (whether he really does or if that was just to anger Amon) seems legit.

Donato seems like he also has a plan for Furuta (and Kaneki), so Donato being one of the biggest players makes it obvious that he would have a plan for Amon as well, who is someone he knows + who’s also one of the big players. 

We don’t even know where Amon is at the moment though, so to say Amon would come looking for the Clowns is a bit too hasty for now. Besides, considering their common past, I believe that whatever Donato could have planned for Amon also involves personal goals we don’t know anything about, since Donato is still a mysterious character.

So… for now, let’s just say Donato probably has a lot of plans about a lot of people but currently he’s busy following Furuta’s plan, probably so that it will fit with his own objectives later.
As for Akira, remember Seidou is still by her side (and so is Kaneki through his allies) and Seidou is far from being weak + Akira has her own character development to continue so I wouldn’t reduce her role as a simple hostage all for Amon’s character. 🙂

I hope it helps a little! Have a nice day ^^

neimana:

this clown guy wants to marry a girl he dropped iron beams on&crushed almost to death,but then left her to be experimented on by a crazy scientist until the point of extreme starvation&possibly death, guy also wants to have 101 children with the girl.
Did I mention girl is his half-sister?

And he says this other girl had big ambitions..

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I feel that Donato ,Uta ,and Amon are connected some how maybe Amon orphanage friends were fed to the children clowns Uta ,and his comrades ? Maybe that is the link ?

Hey Anon!

Well, Donato and Amon are definitely connected and maybe Donato is connected to some of the Clowns through the orphanage (Roma mainly, since she’s the youngest), but I’m not so sure about Uta (and I don’t think so about Itori and Nico either).

I mean, maybe it’s just me, but the way I see things, I think Uta joined the Clowns’ gang after arriving in the 4th ward and as a way to reach his own goals (he was already a teenager back then), so I’m not so sure of his link with Donato before he officially joined the Clowns’ gang.

With the theories I have in mind for some of the Clowns’ backstories, I think Donato (who is Russian and not Japanese) just has his own issues when it comes to how unfair this world is and over the years he gathered people who also had realized the world needed to change and that’s what the Clowns’ gang is all about.

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They’re players and tricksters, but I believe they know about the truth behind this world… 

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and they don’t lie to themselves, even if the way they do things is odd (by not really choosing one side but stirring things up everywhere).  

And anyway, I think that if Donato put himself under Furuta’s authority (for the time being?) that was just because it is convenient to his goals, since the possibility remains that Furuta isn’t the biggest player (yeah I still don’t buy that the Clowns are loyal to Furuta). After all, Donato is a guy who strongly resembles Hannibal Lecter lol, so him surrendering to someone else’s authority just doesn’t seem logical…

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So maybe Furuta is being manipulated by Donato, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised at all (and I’m actually even expecting that) since the Clowns are the reasons he became a “king” in the first place: if they hadn’t sided with him and V, Kaneki probably would have had the advantage, so it’s rather convenient to have them on Furuta’s side for the time being. 

Anyway, sorry I digressed a bit, but I think Donato gathered people who wanted to change the world, just like he did, and the orphanage could be related to the Clowns’ gang, but I just am not sure of that right now.

Speaking of the orphanage, we still don’t know why he never killed Amon…

Aaaah, I hope this huge answer explained how I feel about Donato, sorry I can’t give a better answer to your question.

Have a nice day Anon!