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Hey Anon and lmao, I love the way you’re asking this, it reminds me of questions I get in exams, except the subject is science not shipping, but somehow it sounds the same xD
Okay so, this is all my personal opinion and I’d really rather have a polyamory situation over either just Amon/Akira or Seidou/Akira, but since you’re asking me which one I’d like to see… As of right now in :Re, I’d say Seiaki. 🙂
As for why, it’s basically because Seidou’s feelings for Akria ever since TG always appeared to be more defined than Amon’s.
(full explanation under read more :))
By that I mean that Amon wanted to be a good superior to Akira and she
definitely
was important to him, but possible romance from his point of view was less hinted at in TG than in Seidou’s case, because Amon couldn’t help but still remember Harima, for whom he most likely had feelings (TG ch111).
Not to say that they didn’t have any sweet moment, becausethey did, but it was too new and unsure to be called romance in my opinion, and the Anteiku raid arc didn’t help since it separated them until the Rushima arc.
Meanwhile Seidou was holding a grudge against Akira this whole time due to his inferiority complex but which was actually hiding a big crush ever since their Academy days.
As for :Re, well… where we are right now, it’s exactly the same as in TG: we didn’t get a lot of insight into Amon’s mind, be it about this subject or about any other subject really while Seidou’s feelings for Akira were emphasized on even more, from the auction arc to recently with ch115 when he declared wanting to live for her sake,
Don’t get me wrong, Amon protected her on Rushima and he obviously cares about her, but so far, I didn’t see any difference between his will to protect Akira and his desire to also protect Kurona and Seidou which… makes a difference with Seidou’s situation, since he can say things like “wanting to live the rest of his life for [Akira]’s sake”.
To be honest though, I think this goes with my criticism of Amon’s character development so far in :Re because… for now he didn’t really get any. Amon’s one of my favorite characters and I know he wasn’t shown a lot in :Re, but when I read about him, I feel like everything that happened within the last 4 years barely changed him: he’s still an amazing guy with an outstanding morality, but I already knew that with TG.
And in fact, this panel can summarize all that we learnt about Amon in :Re. Meanwhile, Seidou went from crazy murdering OEG at the beginning of :Re to changing sides during the last arc and he is now currently on a redemption path (thus gaining even more development).
Really, I love both characters, but I’m happier about Seidou’s development when compared to Amon’s, even if I know Amon technically just came back into the story and we need more time to really delve into his character.
So you know, I say all that, but anyway I still think that the Seiaki and Akiramon ships have a balance thanks to the amazing relationship that Seidou and Amon also have…
…and besides, Akira doesn’t know (yet?) what happened to Amon and Seidou after Rushima, so since I believe Amon’s character still needs development (or at least that we should be allowed more often into his head), maybe there still is a long way to go before romance can work out between these three. 🙂
TL;DR as of right now:
Seiakiramon
Seiaki
Akiramon
As it matters, it’s up to the characters’ choice anyway. 🙂
I hope it answers your question, have a nice day/evening Anon!
Top 10 of my fav TG characters is here, as for the ships the list is here and I only have 3 favorite in the whole list (I can’t decide for the other two):
Kaneki/Touka
Ayato/Hinami
Seidou/Akira/Amon
As for why, well, these are rather popular ships I think, and in my opinion there are a lot of little hints within the manga so that’s why. 😉
Ah, I definitely agree with you 🙂 the hate was strong and completely disproportionate. In the first place, she wasn’t even that rude indeed, she was more teasing than anything, except okay at the end when she was angry that Sangwoo would leave because of Bum, but really, aside from that… the two other dudes were a bit more direct in my opinion.
She really was just a girl longing after the guy she was in love with for probably a long time, and it just so happened that:
he is a psychopath and serial killer
some parts of the KS fandom literally have a problem being overprotective with their ships
I reblogged this post once and, to be honest, I didn’t like that post because it told everyone that “shipping Bum and Sangwoo romantically was meh” but rather because…
Overall, the problem lies within fujoshi/yaoi culture, and the fanbase that is willing to fetishize any gay relationship- no matter the circumstances
And isn’t what happened with Jieun literally a consequence of that?
She was an annoying and “problematic” character because “she stood in the way” of Bum/Sangwoo or so these fans thought. For example, the after of ch18 was really rough (since it depicted Jieun and Sangwoo having sex so haters were even more creative than usual) and so many fans rejoiced happily when Sangwoo treated her badly but, honestly, why?
Anyone taking the time to think back about the story ever since ch14 would have realized that she really coudn’t be an obstacle to anything anyway, since Sangwoo was obviously enthralled by Bum ever since he didn’t try to escape again so… I would have understood the frustration if she really had been threatening because Sangwoo actually was interested in her but… that would never happen and you didn’t need to be Koogi to be sure of that.
To be honest, the whole thing with Jieun made me question my beliefs about people because:
did people really actually legit think that Jieun could “get in the way” of Sangwoo and Bum’s relationship? Really? After everything up until ch15 or so? Really?
Besides Sangwoo mentioned an anniversary and preparing things when they arrived at the festival and we know he was all about testing Bum, so everyone could realize that Jieun’s fate was not bright ever since we realized she had a crush on Sangwoo.
In fact the few great meta KS blogs that I visit had all understood that, so it’s not like no one ever brought up the idea that Jieun wouldn’t last long in the story?
But anyway, shit happened and she got hated on in a disproportionate way simply because she was interested in a dude that, in the fans’ mind, was already “reserved” for another dude. Way not to trust your ships people and way to misread Sangwoo’s character.
As I said, I really didn’t read a lot people’s thoughts after ch19 when I stumbled upon so many fans “not being surprised that Bum would become a murder since he always had it in him because of BPD” (which is honestly the dumbest and wrongest thing to say which also damaged my belief in this fandom) but sometimes I wonder how the fandom reacted to Bum being canonly bi…
Also about Bum, you’re also on point, society is discriminating towards people who don’t “fit in”, it’s true everywhere unfortunately and so I personally like the fact that Koogi made her story realistic up to that point.
Anyway, Anon, Sangwoo has issues, Bum has issues, a good part of the fandom has issues, honestly what else is new? lol xD
And yep, as I said before, I definitely agree that Bum’s reaction after he killed Jieun probably wasn’t what Sangwoo had expected which… could be a good or bad thing, but we will need the second part of the story to decide :))
Thanks for passing by Anon, have a nice day! ^_^
Whaaaaat, Anon? xD
Nah, I definitely don’t, but at the same time it’s not like anyone would really need to since… they’re already in a canon relationship in the story by now?
So, I don’t know, but do you really call that shipping in the first place when the two characters are actually getting involved with each other sexually, if not maybe even romantically (in a very fucked up and twisted way in KS’ case)?
I love thinking about their dynamic in and out of the narrative (because Koogi is incredibly good when it comes to writing their characters realistically) but I’m a passive reader when it comes to their relationship (as a couple I mean): I don’t think it’s very healthy, if just because they both have different issues that the other can’t really solve (and besides Sangwoo currently thinks he’s superior to Bum and, like…no?), but I’m just here to follow Koogi’s story.
At this point, should they kill a thousand more people together or if they end up killing each other, my feelings will stay the same, I’m just here to enjoy actual fucked up characters with issues being extremely well written (in my opinion). 🙂
So if that’s about what I said above about this post, I completely agree with it in its integrality, it’s just that I have a lot of things to say in particular about the part that I quoted above.
Ah, well, making you a list with all the hints people like to mention would take too long and probably be counterproductive since you’ve read the manga like the Kaneki/Touka shippers so… First of all I think that, no matter if you ship them or not, it’s important to remember that between the very first TG chapter and the current arc in :Re, approximately five years passed.
And I mention it because out of these 5 years, Kaneki spent most of his time with the CCG and Akira/Arima rather than with Touka and the others, which means that when it comes to speaking about “feelings” over such a big timeline, it’s important to take in consideration the whole story and the point of view of the two characters. And it goes for every kind of relationship between many different characters.
TL;DR Kaneki’s and Touka’s feelings for each other constantly changed ever since the very first time they met and their relationship (in general, outside of possible romance) has been complex from the very beginning, because they are complex characters themselves.
Don’t forget that every relationship directly enrolls in the narrative, but it’s also a reader’s job to interpret what could be implied, which means that if you never caught on romantic subtones in their interactions, I don’t think it will be helpful to make you a list of moments you already read. 🙂 In the first place, isn’t a difference in interpretation why people don’t ship Kaneki with the same characters?
I still have links for you to read about the dynamism between Touka and Kaneki (because there is more than just possible romance to seek in their interactions) if you’re genuinely curious though!
Sorry if that’s not very helpful Anon. Have a nice day!
Hi
Anon and don’t worry there is no trouble! 🙂 I literally agree with everything you said (except that I think Touka’s crush in TG was basically confirmed, even if that doesn’t mean anything for her current feelings in :Re) and it’s very nicely explained so I hope the original Anon will see it!
The thing is, there is nothing one can do if another reader interprets differently a dynamic between characters (or hints/clues about the plot, etc), so if the original Anon really never envisioned the possibility for Kaneki/Touka to become romance after ~24 volumes, I’m not really sure they’re going to change their mind, but still, you really went through a lot of trouble to write all this so I hope they will read it! ^_^
Also, yes, the hint list would definitely
contain a few extra/omakes (like this
one) because I really think the omakes are
canon (except the AU!ones of course). And there are a few things
Ishida himself said (like Touka and Kaneki being a set, in this interview), but it goes with the link I added above about Sensei liking romance and already including it in his story (with Naki/Miza, Nishiki/Kimi, Takeomi/Yoriko and a few other showing crushes).
Anyway, thank you very much for writing all this Initial Anon! :3 It was a really good read 🙂
Have a nice day/evening!
Hey Anon! Thanks for your thoughts and don’t worry, I’m not saying Touka’s crush is “gone”, it’s just we had a few moments in TG definitely hinting that Touka had a crush (see above) while in :Re we didn’t have any similar moments mostly because she didn’t appear so much (even if I personally think the crush is still there). :3
But it’s true that if anything this scene…
And this scene…
are similar and so it indicates that Touka’s feelings about Kaneki ever since the Anteiku raid arc probably haven’t changed.
So yep, I’d say Touka’s feelings towards Kaneki are most likely the same than at the end of TG, it’s just that to be accurate we didn’t have any real hint in :Re of her having a crush like we had in TG. 😉
Unless you call this scene…
a hint.
As for Kaneki, things have always been more complicated and while they have an amazing dynamism (and he certainly showed interest in her as Sasaki), we never had any real insight on his feelings (that’s why it can be interpreted differently), so I’ll just leave it at that for now :3
Thanks again for your thoughts Anon! Have a nice day :)))
Ah, well, making you a list with all the hints people like to mention would take too long and probably be counterproductive since you’ve read the manga like the Kaneki/Touka shippers so… First of all I think that, no matter if you ship them or not, it’s important to remember that between the very first TG chapter and the current arc in :Re, approximately five years passed.
And I mention it because out of these 5 years, Kaneki spent most of his time with the CCG and Akira/Arima rather than with Touka and the others, which means that when it comes to speaking about “feelings” over such a big timeline, it’s important to take in consideration the whole story and the point of view of the two characters. And it goes for every kind of relationship between many different characters.
TL;DR Kaneki’s and Touka’s feelings for each other constantly changed ever since the very first time they met and their relationship (in general, outside of possible romance) has been complex from the very beginning, because they are complex characters themselves.
Don’t forget that every relationship directly enrolls in the narrative, but it’s also a reader’s job to interpret what could be implied, which means that if you never caught on romantic subtones in their interactions, I don’t think it will be helpful to make you a list of moments you already read. 🙂 In the first place, isn’t a difference in interpretation why people don’t ship Kaneki with the same characters?
I still have links for you to read about the dynamism between Touka and Kaneki (because there is more than just possible romance to seek in their interactions) if you’re genuinely curious though!
my weakness is two broken characters who are broken in two completely different ways finding each other against all odds and healing each others wounds
Personally I kinda ship Sieglinde with Edward because they’re fun to imagine interacting (since Ed can be a bit shy about sexuality while Sieglinde is more outgoing despite being younger), but to be honest, my “first pairing” for Sieglinde would have to be with Lizzie.
It’s a crackship obviously since Lizzie loves Ciel but still…
Look! Look at Sieglinde blushing and being subjugated by Lizzie’s bright smile and words…! This moment was so aww that I really went akjnejkiz and I really like their interactions. :))))
So I totally headcanon Sieglinde as bi and I like her with Edward and Lizzie. As for Soma, I like him with Lizzie too, because should Ciel die, I feel they could become even closer.
………Yes, I find Lizzie is a very “shipable” character somehow xD
Aaaah, hard to say, hard to say. There are only a few things I can say for certain and it is:
that Kaneki used to find Touka cute in TG and Sasaki found Touka beautiful in :Re.
that Touka developed a crush on Kaneki during the second half of TG (best proof being when she asked Nishiki if he gave presents to his girlfriend for her birthday too + when she said she felt happy that he said he wouldn’t leave her alone) but I’m not sure if after 4 years we can still say she has the same crush (though she did build :Re for him so…).
that Kaneki wants for Touka what he should want for himself: a peaceful life away from violence.
that awkwardness is best defined by the relationship between them.
that Touka will have a big role to play towards Kaneki’s development.
that Ishida likes to draw them together.
that, no matter if they end up becoming canon or not, the only way for it to work is if they both walk a huge step forward in both their character developments.
So, aside from Touka’s crush in the second part of TG, there is nothing I can be certain of when it comes to their current feelings, especially in Kaneki’s case since he’s got all these issues and that Touka didn’t really do the wisest thing when she punched him because…
…Communication will now be difficult.
That being said, I’m 100% sure that Touka will have a pretty big role when it comes to making Kaneki face his issues [x] [x] and she’s not TG’s heroine for nothing + since their relationship is so very awkward that means that Sensei definitely intends on making them interact more, until they can get rid of this… tension between them.
Lastly, I’m pretty sure I’m not the first one to mention that there might be some kind of parallel between the story of Hikari and Arata, and the one of Touka and Kaneki, seeing as Touka is very similar to her mom and Kaneki has been said (and drawn/written) to be similar to Arata so… this might or not be made on purpose by Ishida-sensei.
So honestly, besides the fact that they certainly do have a strong relationship and many things to say to each other (+ they have this sort of awkward tension between them ever since the Aogiri arc), I cannot make any accurate guess when it comes to whether or not something might happen between them, sorry.
Though again, Ishida-sensei does like romance which is why we have so many little pairings florishing here and there, and this tension between Touka and Kaneki is very real so… maybe. If that’s what Ishida wants then he’ll surely make it happen in the story. 🙂
Sorry I cannot be more helpful Anon, we’ll really have to see how things will develop once they get to talk. 🙂
Thank you Anon and I hope you’ll have a good day/evening as well!
Hey Anon! Hm, considering that she wasn’t really happy to be left behind like after the Aogiri arc in TG…
…I’m pretty sure that she might want to address the reason things are so awkward between them and why he seems not to want her around (from her point of view). It’s probably supposed to be some kind of parallel to ch120 when you think about it and I’m pretty sure it’s going to be a very important moment since Ishida-sensei mentioned it before the fighting took place, so I’m really excited about it!
As for opening up to each other, well, I think Touka will have to be the one who makes the first step because opening up is something Kaneki isn’t really good at I’ll leave you with different posts in which I already mentioned what I think could happen/what developments it should (hopefully) lead to: [x] [x] [x]
I hope that helps, thanks for passing by Anon and have a nice day! 🙂
Awww, thank you so much for reading and for the nice words Anon ❤
Ah well, I really have a lot of feelings for them :3 they make my heart go doki doki with all the drama. And seeing as I am also a big fan of characterization and character developments, I really wish the talk Touka asked for will allow them to walk a huge step forward, because they both need it for their personal development and for the development of their relationship.
It’s just… you know, when you think back on everything that happened since the beginning of TG and when they met, I find they have one of the most interesting dynamics in the story and it’s incredible to think that they have so much of an awkward tension between them hiding a very deeply rooted link, even though they haven’t spent that much time together.
I mean, basically Kaneki’s time at Anteiku lasted a few months against 4 years at the CCG with Akira and Arima, so to think you can just feel while reading that they have a real connection and that they are both really important to each other always impresses me.
As for what I wish if they somehow get together, well… survival and happiness obviously, and I really think Kaneki needs a family he will be able to call his own, since that’s what he’s been wishing for a long long time (just look at how happy he was with the Qs as his children, and Arima and Akira as his parents).
I know, that might sound really cheesy but Kaneki deserves all the peace and love he can get, so that’s why I’m hoping he’ll get all of this with whoever he’ll choose to love. :3
I hope that answers your question Anon! Thanks again for the very nice words and I wish you a good day/evening as well ^_^
Aaaah, hard to say, hard to say. There are only a few things I can say for certain and it is:
that Kaneki used to find Touka cute in TG and Sasaki found Touka beautiful in :Re.
that Touka developed a crush on Kaneki during the second half of TG (best proof being when she asked Nishiki if he gave presents to his girlfriend for her birthday too + when she said she felt happy that he said he wouldn’t leave her alone) but I’m not sure if after 4 years we can still say she has the same crush (though she did build :Re for him so…).
that Kaneki wants for Touka what he should want for himself: a peaceful life away from violence.
that awkwardness is best defined by the relationship between them.
that Touka will have a big role to play towards Kaneki’s development.
that Ishida likes to draw them together.
that, no matter if they end up becoming canon or not, the only way for it to work is if they both walk a huge step forward in both their character developments.
So, aside from Touka’s crush in the second part of TG, there is nothing I can be certain of when it comes to their current feelings, especially in Kaneki’s case since he’s got all these issues and that Touka didn’t really do the wisest thing when she punched him because…
…Communication will now be difficult.
That being said, I’m 100% sure that Touka will have a pretty big role when it comes to making Kaneki face his issues [x] [x] and she’s not TG’s heroine for nothing + since their relationship is so very awkward that means that Sensei definitely intends on making them interact more, until they can get rid of this… tension between them.
Lastly, I’m pretty sure I’m not the first one to mention that there might be some kind of parallel between the story of Hikari and Arata, and the one of Touka and Kaneki, seeing as Touka is very similar to her mom and Kaneki has been said (and drawn/written) to be similar to Arata so… this might or not be made on purpose by Ishida-sensei.
So honestly, besides the fact that they certainly do have a strong relationship and many things to say to each other (+ they have this sort of awkward tension between them ever since the Aogiri arc), I cannot make any accurate guess when it comes to whether or not something might happen between them, sorry.
Though again, Ishida-sensei does like romance which is why we have so many little pairings florishing here and there, and this tension between Touka and Kaneki is very real so… maybe. If that’s what Ishida wants then he’ll surely make it happen in the story. 🙂
Sorry I cannot be more helpful Anon, we’ll really have to see how things will develop once they get to talk. 🙂
Thank you Anon and I hope you’ll have a good day/evening as well!
while Seidou’s feelings for Akira were emphasized on even more, from the auction arc to recently with ch115 when he declared wanting to live for her sake, 
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