I’d say the three aces in general are the people who come the closest to understanding Kaneki. For Tsukiyama, the mysteriousness is part of the draw towards him, he literally says he wants to cut through Kaneki’s road of thorns.
Kaneki and Touka sat together above the rest of Goat when he got married, and it’s clear what Touka desires from Kaneki again and again is an equal partnership with him.
Hide’s entire friendship is literally built off of him being the one to understand Kaneki, better than he understands himself sometimes. As Hide’s exposition of Kaneki’s tell is a gesture Kaneki makes when he’s trying to hide something from himself. “I’m really happy here.” “I really loved mother.” etc. etc.
The three characters who also are immediately shown reacting to Dragon are, Hide, Touka, and Tsukiyama. Touka and Tsukiyama are also confirmed to know that Kaneki is dragon right away when Nishiki did not.
Hi! Well, I can’t fully agree with you there, but thanks for sharing your opinion in the first place. x)
To discuss this a little, I’m just theorizing that the specialist Hide is talking about is someone who’s not just knowledgeable about ghouls, but also about the parallel of the current situation with what happened 100+ years ago…
…otherwise it feels we’re never going to find out about what exactly happened, when it’s kind of mandatory since Furuta’s plan with Dragoneki is definitely based on recreating a similar situation to 100 years ago.
That’s why I think that specialist is a character who at least has an idea as to what exactly happened a long time ago, because these info will surely be helpful in stopping the Nagaraj 2.0 (aka Dragoneki).
I definitely agree that Marude wouldn’t trust a ghoul though, nor might he trust Kanou or Ogura (since one is a mad scientist and the other used to spread misinformation about ghouls), but he seems to fully trust Hide/Scarecrow, which is the whole point.
You can even look at the situation from a different angle: after all, aren’t Matsuri and Marude now “allies”
against Furuta, at least for the time being? When Marude killed Yoshitoki and knows that Matsuri is a ghoul?
So Marude doesn’t have to trust the specialist that they will ask for help, no matter who it might be (Kanou, Ogura, Kimi, Donato, Itori, someone from V, Eto, Shachi, Touka & Tsukiyama…); considering the situation, trusting in Hide’s plan (like he did until now) is enough.
Keep in mind that I personally don’t think that “taking Dragoneki down” is the last arc, which means that…
…humans and ghouls allying (through stopping Dragoneki) Isn’t the final goal because it will most likely be mandatory to bringing down the series’ potential big bad (V).
Besides, Hide’s specialist might only hold some keys of the final answer since Ayato’s investigation deep down is definitely going to mean something as well (so it’s yet another reason for an alliance between Scarecrow’s side and Kaneki’s old party, between “humans and ghouls” at this point in the story, once Ayato is back).
We’ll see soon enough anyway, but basically I don’t think this plan is about Marude trusting anyone besides simply Scarecrow. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and have a nice day. 🙂
So Hide asked Marude if they should go see a specialist
And while it could be Kanou or maybe even Eto who knows I wonder if Hide is actually gonna get Tsukiyama and Touka as his fellow experts on Kaneki.
This is because Tsukiyama, Touka, and Hide knew Kaneki very closely at different points of his life. Hide knew Kaneki as a human, they were best friends for years, and Hide knows everyone of his little habits
Yet, even though Kaneki shut him out of his life he still cared enough to keep tabes and work behind the scenes to keep him save. Hide made the call on Aogiri so he could escape, he worked for the CCG to keep tabs and find out what happened to him as he knew he was a ghoul, he let Kaneki eat him, probably had something to do with Arima sparing him. Even now he made a humans against the CCG, to expose the Washuu and V.
Touka knew Kaneki the shy half ghoul, haise to a degree, and the current Kaneki. She has cared for him through every change as like Hide Kaneki cut himself from her life. Touka understands his mindset on his humanity, and some of his other habits.Touka has been the driving force in a lot of the decisions he has made in the series his decision to dip his toes into the ghoul world, his desire to go back to Anteiku, him even leaving Anteiku was to try to keep her safe from Aogiri, him turning into the dragon was in a last ditch attempt to save her
Tsukiyama knows post Aogiri Kaneki the most as he was the one he spent the most time with him. Tsukiyama cares about Kaneki a lot, and spent most of his time with him trying to convince him to not make dumb decisions yet stand by him. Yet, to me on of the most important moments between Tsukiyama and Kaneki was after Kaneki hurt Banjou and reminded him that he wasn’t a terrible person for making that mistake, all while giving him books.
The three things that Hide, Touka, and Tsukiyama is that they all love and care about Kaneki and really put in an effort to show him. They also hold a great influence over the things that he has done in the series whether big or small. They are also the aces along with Kaneki, which shows their importance to him.
Yet, the most telling reason why they might be the experts or at least all end up trying to save Kaneki is that they are the only people who see him and not the monster. Tsukiyama and Touka in particular are shown to know right away that the monster is Kaneki
Which is juxtaposed in such a way that highlights how they really care for Kaneki, as people who are friends with Kaneki or close like Nishiki, and Saiko can’t see him as anything more then the thing destroying the city
Then it goes to Hide who says he has a plan, I just think the way that he highlighted it that Hide, Tsukiyama, and Touka are the only people who can bring Kaneki back to himself as they know him best, thus being the experts on how to handle this situation.
psst psst: this chapter title is “1″, and Hide has already been associated with the Magician Tarot in the past.
He supplies the Fool with all the tools he needs to succeed on his journey: wands (clubs- Touka), pentacles (diamonds- Tsukiyama), cups (hearts- Kaneki), and Sword (spades- himself). He brings these things together and indicates of the beginning of a life-changing experience. He’s here to help.
This is just my opinion but I’m assuming that by “specialist”, Hide/Scarecrow is thinking about someone who knows about what happened with the Nagaraj (a hundred years ago or so) since, as Dragon, Kaneki’s situation definitely parallels the Nagaraj’s so far [x][x].
As for who the specialist may be…
A doctor with knowledge about ghoul biology: Kanou, Chigyou, Shiba?
Or Ogura since he was called a specialist before, even if he wasn’t exactly one? Could be anyone from the Great Wheel act too, or even Kimi, since she’s been researching about ghouls as well.
It’s also not impossible that the specialist in question might be a ghoul: someone from the Clowns’ gang maybe? With all the information she has, Itori might know a few things and she had no role in :Re yet, but I guess Donato could also be a suspect since he knows many things.
Shachi and Eto might not be extremely relevant to this situation, but I’d feel bad leaving them out since we still don’t know if they’re dead or not.
Considering that Furuta’s plan with Dragoneki was supposed to bring ghouls and humans together though…
…I’d rather bet on a specialist that’s not exactly human, so I’m all for Hide maybe mentioning one of the Clowns, especially since we can’t be sure he isn’t acquainted with them [x][x] and we still don’t know how he managed to escape from the sewers back in TG, if he apparently couldn’t heal. 😉
Or
Or…
Frankly I’m not betting on Kanou or any other doctor so much, which only leaves the other two groups, but I’m almost certain that the Clowns have some info as to what happened during the last similar conflict (with the Nagaraj), when the Great Wheel act might not, which is why my preference goes to the Clowns (on top of the fact that Hide most likely has an agenda and thus could be acquainted with both groups anyway).
This is just my opinion but I’m assuming that by “specialist”, Hide/Scarecrow is thinking about someone who knows about what happened with the Nagaraj (a hundred years ago or so) since, as Dragon, Kaneki’s situation definitely parallels the Nagaraj’s so far [x][x].
As for who the specialist may be…
A doctor with knowledge about ghoul biology: Kanou, Chigyou, Shiba?
Or Ogura since he was called a specialist before, even if he wasn’t exactly one? Could be anyone from the Great Wheel act too, or even Kimi, since she’s been researching about ghouls as well.
It’s also not impossible that the specialist in question might be a ghoul: someone from the Clowns’ gang maybe? With all the information she has, Itori might know a few things and she had no role in :Re yet, but I guess Donato could also be a suspect since he knows many things.
Shachi and Eto might not be extremely relevant to this situation, but I’d feel bad leaving them out since we still don’t know if they’re dead or not.
Considering that Furuta’s plan with Dragoneki was supposed to bring ghouls and humans together though…
…I’d rather bet on a specialist that’s not exactly human, so I’m all for Hide maybe mentioning one of the Clowns, especially since we can’t be sure he isn’t acquainted with them [x][x] and we still don’t know how he managed to escape from the sewers back in TG, if he apparently couldn’t heal. 😉
I looked into this and I did find something very interesting.
All the pages I could find with info were in Japanese, and Google translate wasn’t being a big help, but I think I figured out what what you’re talking about is. I think it’s the crest of the Mōri clan, which was a Japanese clan founded around the thirteenth century.
I think it’s interesting to note this about the family tree; the naming patterns of the Mori clan appear to be somewhat reminiscent of that of the Washuu, at least to some extent. These three samurai each have “chika” in their name. Chika is, of course, not only a component of Hide’s name, but was also the name that Yoshitoki Washuu went by in his youth.
Not sure if this is of relevance, but Mōri Tokichika’s son, Mōri Sadachika, was supposed to succeed him as head of the clan, but they were both killed. That sort of reminds me of what happened with Yoshitoki and Matsuri, although, Matsuri is thought dead rather than actually being dead.
Interestingly enough, Mōri Tokichika’s name (毛利 時親) uses the same kanji as Washuu Yoshitoki’s name (
和修 吉時). In the context of Tokichika and Yoshitoki,
“時“ is pronounced “toki,” however, it can also be pronounced “chika,” as we see with Yoshitoki’s original name; Washuu Chika (
和修 時).
This page seems to have the most information, but it’s all in Japanese so I have no clue what it actually says, however, I did notice something on the page that piqued my interest; this name.
A quick Google search is enough to tell you that
豊臣秀吉 is Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Every time I’ve made a post about Samurai clans’ significance in TG, his name seems to pop up. So I went to check out the wiki to see if I could get any more info on how Hideyoshi was involved with the Mōri clan.
Basically, during a war with the Oda clan, the Mōri aided the Ikkō-ikki clans (mobs of peasant farmers, Buddhist monks, Shinto priests and local nobles who rose up against daimyō rule in 15th- and 16th-century Japan) by establishing a trade route between each other’s docks and harbours. The Oda pretty much fucked everything up by attacking their trade ships and attempted to destroy the Mōri fleet (but they failed). Some not very interesting stuff happened and the Oda essentially destroyed the Mōri naval threat after their second go.
The head of the Oda clan was Oda Nobunaga. He was a powerful daimyō and attempted to unify Japan during the Sengoku period. He’s regarded as one of the three unifiers of Japan, the other two being his retainers, Tokugawa Ieyasu and Toyotomi Hideyoshi.
Just thought I would write a quick post about this because my dash is filled with people suddenly seeing death flags for Kaneki everywhere. x)
Anyway, as the title mentions, in my opinion the fact that Kaneki became the equivalent of the Nagaraj and is destroying Tokyo doesn’t mean that, ultimately, the only possibility left for him is to be killed by an alliance made between Scarecrow’s side and the ghouls, led by who will probably be Tsukiyama (since he’s another ace card).
I won’t disagree that it is definitely what Furuta has in mind…
but narratively speaking, in my opinion, at this point it doesn’t make sense for Kaneki to become the “truly great enemy” and to die tragically when:
he doesn’t care about the rebellion
all he ever wanted ever since the very first chapter of TG was to belong in a family.
Kaneki’s OEK role was literally given to him by Eto and Arima…
at a time when Kaneki found that he had no reason to keep on living, which is why he focused on this task, because that was all he had to keep going forward. However…
…and even after his relationship with Touka blossomed, this part still didn’t change….
…the only reason that he “cared” about the future of ghouls mainly being related to Touka and the future he wanted with her (AKA becoming a family).
Now, I think that it’s no secret for anyone, and for Kaneki as well, that this lack of belief is mainly why he never managed to be a good leader:
…Leading to Ayato and Irimi trying to give him advice, and Tsukiyama being tired of the way he does things when they’re at war. So, in the end, it’s not surprising that instead of being the leader fighting for victory, he ends up being only a mean to someone else’s grand plan for the ending:
Back to the point at hand, the other reason I don’t think that redemption and happiness are out of Kaneki’s reach, despite the massacre he’s currently committing, is because…
…the Clowns are the public of this play…
and they already told us at the end of TG (”the tragedy” before :Re kicked in) that Kaneki dying tragically didn’t make for the best ending either (”how lame~”).
Finally, I’d like to add that if Kaneki dies, then Touka’s own development will stagnate because her fatalistic side has grown to be probably too overwhelming for her to manage dealing with it on her own [x] [x] and thus, the only way for her to have hope again is if Kaneki is by her side as well.
Hello! I assume this question is a follow up of this timeline? Well,
I think Furuta already achieved what he wanted with the latest chapter actually and that the parallels with what happened with the Nagaraj 100+ years ago are on purpose. …Now that I think about it, it’s probably one more reason as to why he gave the name “Dragon” to Kaneki in the first place (”because of his Washuu roots”) => both the names “Dragon” and “Nagaraj” have a link to the Washuu family, who played the foe to both in the span of a century.
I’m also pretty sure the rest of Furuta’s plan will go on as expected…
Tsukiyama will lead the ghouls who had chosen to follow Kaneki until now
Scarecrow aka Hide will lead the humans who left the CCG (+ Amon and maybe Seidou and Kurona)
And Touka (and her baby) will represent hope for a future Kaneki wished to experience.
Oh, by the way, I just want to point out that nothing says yet that Kaneki will be unable to come out of his Dragon kakuja form in the next chapters: what Ayato found in the 24th ward was probably the remnant shell of the Nagaraj’s kakuja from 100 years ago, just like Eto left hers behind after her fight against Kaneki in the Roze arc.
So, the fact Kaneki just started to destroy the city will mainly be a catalyst for V (the big bad of the story in my opinion) to show up, because they will want to deal with him once and for all, “for the sake of peace”.
TL;DR Furuta got what he wanted and it’s likely that Kaneki will need help to get out of this state if he lost his mind when he became Dragon (since it’s hard to keep being sane when in Kakuja mode).
The question is :
Will it be now that “ghouls and humans” (aka ghouls in the 24th ward and Scarecrow’s side)
will team up
to stop his rampage, before V makes its grand entry as the story’s big bad to defeat?
Or will they team up later, once Kaneki destroys more of the city when he faces the V organization for the final showdown?
Frankly though, I personally keep wondering about Yomo:
It might be nothing but he was warned by someone (who might be Uta and who would then be aware of Furuta’s plan) that going where Hina, Touka and thus Kaneki are was too dangerous. And Yomo helped Kaneki before with regaining his mind…
So… :// Considering that not everyone on Scarecrow’s side might be ready to go to the 24th ward and seek out a possible alliance with ghouls, I’d rather bet on Kaneki attacking one of his current allies (like he also did with Banjou after the raid on Kanou’s lab, or Hide in the sewers) before he’s able to stop his own rampage.
The fact Yomo was so very happy about Kaneki and Touka getting together might be a clue that he’s going to try and save Kaneki from himself, or to save the girls from Kaneki’s rampage. ://
We’ll see on Monday though. Have a nice day Anon. 🙂
I bet Kaneki ate Hide’s face the same way he ate Hajime’s this chapter. This would be a nifty way to foreshadow it since we are currently paralleling the whole Arima vs Kaneki fight. In both situations Kaneki was severely injured and needed to eat to regenerate so he proceeded to eat someone’s face off. You heard it here first folks.
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