Hahaha! Salaryman Exorcist is great. Poor Shiro, it’s all fun and games until some time traveling a hole decides to show your kid your wild & tumultuous youth. It still cracks me up that both Shiro and Mephisto seem to think Yukio would react worse to this information.

the-fox-populi-says:

the-fox-populi-says:

the-fox-populi-says:

Well, going by Mephisto’s irritated and quickly swept away comment in chapter 99…

All the times he DID show Yukio the past ended up biting him in the ass in some way or another.

(General fandom theory is that Mephisto can either see all of time simultaneously, or is able to rewind time and take a different route, like starting a game from a safe point -> Which is what I’m going with, because if he always knew exactly what was going to happen he’d be way overpowered and also bored out of his mind.)

Which adds an extra layer to his sadistic delight in chapter 94:

(“No I don’t have time for this” + walking out on stage = “I told you like twelve times already and every time you fucked shit up so screw you, I’m going to try for a different ending. Menu… save game… Let’s see what happens. LEEEEROYY JEEENKIIIINS”)

And what does Yukio? Aims a gun at Meph, probably would have shot him if someone else didn’t beat him to it, then has a total breakdown, shoots his brother, and runs off to the Illuminati.
:/

Shiro knew his kids well~ And so does Meph.

In reaction to @rottenprincessshura….

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Oh man, do you have any idea how many times I have thought of this? xD
Someone as vain and greedy and lecherous as Mephisto, who has lived for thousands of years? I bet his reasons for rewinding time vary from absolute catastrophe to really, really petty…

“Huh… Earth is gone. That’s less than optimal. Rewind.”
“Dammit I missed the crucifixion. Rewind.”
“Maybe I shouldn’t have let this plague thing run wild for so long. Rewind.”
“Ok but what if they DID discover how to split atoms? Rewind.”
“Shiro got eaten. Rewind.”
“Meeting ran late, concert tickets sold out. Dammit. Rewind.”
“This guy saw my tail and he’s too useful to kill. Crap. Rewind.”
“In hindsight I should have gone with the steak. Rewind.”
“Had I been on the bottom of the stairs I would have caught that panty shot. Rewind.”
“WHAT DO YOU MEAN I DIDN’T GET THE HIGHSCORE?! Rewind.”
“Rin saw me trip and laughed and will tell everyone. Rewind.”
“Missed opportunity to make Rin trip. Rewind.”

Ok so I copied this thing into the Headcanons channel of the AnE Discord server, and…

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Featuring Ray aka @rizzy-the-mighty, Bluespookyshit aka @blueexorshit, SignsMyPhoneDoesNotRecognize aka @novasunspot and GodlyWhalePeasant who’s blog name I don’t know (if they even have one).

About Lucifer & demon politics/faith in AnE

Can we talk about Lucifer’s wish for a durable vessel? This is from ch102:

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and the following is from ch104, before

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and after Amaimon got his own functional new vessel…

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as well as when Satan finally possessed Goro:

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I find it’s quite interesting that Lucifer is presented as having a lot of faith about “being rewarded for his suffering” and that one day some sort cosmic justice will give him what he deserves (which is a new functional vessel) when, back then, he was thought to be the highest and most powerful demon to the two worlds of Assiah and Gehenna.

Then Satan finally possessed a vessel and developed an ego but no one (Mephy aside because he exists everywhen) knew who he was at first, yet look at how Mephisto and Amaimon explain Gehenna’s hierarchy now, 20 years later:

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So you know, it’s as if… before Satan even technically gained an ego and started to really exist as who he is, Lucifer already believed that there was a greater being (a God) above all of them and he kinda gained the proof of that (the reward to his faith) through Satan’s possession of Goro, 20 years ago.

That eventually led to the creation of the Illuminati, once Section 13 was destroyed (most likely during the Blue Night), and the pursuit of the goals he already was mentioning to Shemihaza which are…

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…starting with making sure both he and Satan get a vessel because “it’s fair and there shouldn’t be an Assiah/Gehenna limit”. 

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So Lucifer, as Gehenna #2 (just like most of the Baals actually), is very faithful to that God that he already believed in before Satan was even conscious of existing & being significant to others + he believes he understands others and that bringing peace to everyone in the form of equality is The Answer.  

Facing him in comparison tho’, you’ve got Mephisto, who’s probably jaded about Satan being his Father/God/blahblah, because he’s seen this shit in idk how many timelines and his only priority is for Assiah not to disappear, because humans are interesting and he doesn’t see the point of not being able to enjoy what Assiah and humans can bring to him.

In other words, he’s an absolutely selfish jerk who can casually say that “yes you all are my pawns but you are only worms to me so it’s only fitting I treat you as such”, as well as pretend wanting to give Rin to Satan while also claiming to want to use Rin in order to take down Lucifer. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

And Mephy + other powerful demons created (and are still leading) the True Cross Order, an organization that’s supposed to be about Protecting Humans While Fighting Against Demons but that’s also actually about giving strong vessels to more powerful demons.

So it’s literally

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because the contrast between Lucifer & Samael, Illuminati &True Cross Order is huge on every aspect, so honestly I love what Sensei is doing with it, because it’s a total mindfuck (I get why Shima has so much fun spying for both sides, with both sides fully aware + why Yukio said “fuck all of them” xDDD). 

I just had the most insane thought

And I share because I’m aware we enjoy those in the fandom. xD 

So you know how…

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But what if it was meant literally? Not death as a familiar behind a Morinas contract, but rather the whole concept of death as being kin of Time in Assiah/Gehenna?

Wouldn’t that mean that…

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in a way Mephisto could actually bring the dead back? 
You know, just like how he’s able to split some time axes from the original timeline, like he did for Neuhaus and Section 13? Or how his vessel dies slowly because he stops time for himself?

Speaking of Neuhaus, remember how in s1 of the anime he ended up working on a way to bring his wife back from the dead? Meanwhile in the manga he…

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just finished

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whatever he was working on in that frozen Section 13 time axis????

So what if Mephisto gave Neuhaus a way to work on bringing the dead back, using a part of his own knowledge related to death being a kin of his? And what if Neuhaus is working for him because he can use this to bring his wife back just like in s1 or something, while Mephisto intends on bringing back someone else?

Because, you know who died way early on and who’s at the heart of the story in a way? 

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And obviously Shiro dying at the beginning was narratively logical because it’s what triggered the whole story, with the Okumura twins being at the mercy of both the Order and Illuminati without him to shield them. 

Doesn’t mean it has to stay that way ‘till the end of the story though, especially since…

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So I really wonder about a possible resurrection for Shiro slightly later when war starts, also mostly because we’re kinda missing someone powerful in the story…

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And Shiro was a clone created from Azazel, specifically for the purpose of giving the Baals new vessels. However, after the blue night that started within Asylum, Section 13 was shut down and Shiro & Arthur are probably the only two clones who are still alive (assuming Arthur is indeed one of Lucifer’s clones). 

And I know, maybe Azazel is really a nice demon king who doesn’t want to seek a new vessel because he’s fine staying in cristallized form.
But the thing is, we have Shiemi who’s most likely linked to Shemihaza and we don’t know yet if she’s just a nephilim, or if she’s (going to be) Shemihaza’s vessel/host (clearly the plot is giving suspicious vibes about this part).

So let’s just assume for the sake of this crazy theory that Shemihaza might be coming back through Shiemi because…

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…the Order needs to be at its strongest to face Illuminati…

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…because Illuminati has most of the Baals on its side. Well, in that case, what if, on top of Shemihaza, Armumahel and Azazel are coming back too? 

I already proposed an idea for Armumahel’s nephilim or host a while ago, so now I’m proposing undead!Shiro as Azazel’s vessel: Shiro was a clone meant to be possessed by a Baal after all and, even if Azazel isn’t Lucifer or Satan, he’ll still need a strong vessel to withhold him as long as it’s necessary.  


Of course Shiro could also be brought back from the dead for reasons unrelated to Azazel but because Mephisto has another plan about him and the twins. 

Just like a less crazy version of this theory is simply

that, whatever Neuhaus was working on, it’s a way to give a vessel to Azazel, because Mephisto needs the Order’s Top Three back for the big war starting, just like he probably used Shiemi to chain Amaimon (who was neutral) to the Order’s side

TL;DR in the Order vs Illuminati war coming up, I propose this lign-up:

  • Mephisto VS Lucifer
  • Shemihaza (Shiemi?), Armumahel (Takara?), Azazel (undead!Shiro?), Amaimon VS Egyn (shark suit?), Iblis (unknown), Astaroth (unknown)  
  • Exorcists of the Order VS the Chosen Ones (demon eaters like Toudou, etc) + others
  • Rin (Satan’s desired vessel) VS Yukio (kinda hosting Satan in his left eye) 

Y’all are fired up about this arc I hope, because I know I sure am! 😀

What’s the ending point of that journey through the past?

So idk about you guys, but initially I was thinking that Rin’s journey would last until the twins’ birth (the blue night in theory) and until we could see how Shiro ended up raising them…

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Because we already know this won’t end well for Yuri.

Now though, I JUST SCARED MYSELF because I realized that maybe the “tragedy” Mephisto mentioned might not be only referring to Yuri’s death. 

I mean, Mephisto said to Rin that the whole point of showing him (and not Yukio) the past was because:

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he has to face and accept the past, because it scares him (and he doesn’t need anyone to tell him it’s not a happy story) + because he needs to know the truth to get Yukio back.

But here I am wondering, are the circumstances of his and Yukio’s birth the only part of the past he “must accept” through this journey? 

This flashback is about Yuri and Shiro, so if one goal is to learn about Yuri and accept to face what brought her death, what about…

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Shiro’s death too? Because Rin is clearly still tormented about this and he never had the chance to truly face any of it.

The reason I’m thinking it might happen is also because Mephisto once did the following…

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…he quoted what Shiro had told Rin all the way back in ch1, before he died. 

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And I know that Mephy is the King of Time and a real jerk, but still, I wonder if him quoting that moment in particular wouldn’t be because leading Rin back to this precise moment at the end of this journey is something he will do/did already a million times .

Anyway, that’s why I could see it: Rin witnessing how Shiro slowly changed, through Yuri’s death and through raising them,

to become the man he saw as his father… Until that day where he killed himself to make sure Satan wouldn’t get Rin, leaving him and Yukio to Mephisto and Shura instead.

That could make a good/painful ending point for this journey. Double times the pain for Rin of course, because he’ll have to go through his mom’s and (adoptive?) dad’s death, facing the fact that Satan was very probably just trying to get to him (his perfect vessel) both times. T_T

Also Abel Franken, the previous Paladin? Most likely a Samael clone (the German name being a strong hint of this), which is probably why Rin has the feeling he’s seen him somewhere before and Mephy is here like “:D” . 

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It seems all Paladins are taken amongst the few test subjects from Section 13 who make it Exwire and then Exorcist anyway.

  • Abel Franken => possibly one of Samael’s clones
  • Fujimoto Shiro => one of Azazel’s clones
  • Arthur August Angel => possibly one of Lucifer’s clones, thanks to Mephisto saying he was from Asylum too and to this
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And the reason for that is probably because they’re under a Morinas’ contract related to Section 13 already, which makes it easier to moderate the information that’s passed around within the highest members of the Order (the Grigoris, the Paladin, Mephisto and some of the Arc Knights). 

That and they’re strong (since they were cloned from the top 3 Baals), so they’re useful. 

Angel is actually the only exception since he apparently lost his memories after the Blue Night (I’m highly suspicious of this, but we shall see)

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which makes him the only Paladin that’s mostly unaware of many stuff going on within the Order, compared to Shiro or probably even Abel Franken.  

But anyway, all that to say that Abel Franken = Samael’s clone. I wonder how awkward it must have been for him to interact with Mephisto LMAO. 

I’m curious, why do you think Amaimon is going to be play oart of Shiemis’s arc? For me, it seemed that Amaimon might hurt Shiemi somehow, considering that he seemed shocked how Shiemi’s powers and angry to Mephisto? .__. I would think that Rin was a bigger character in her story, along with her classmates. Anyway sorry about my english ^^;; I hope I managed to explain myself

Hi Anon, no worries your English is great! And actually I already explained here

To make this simple: Amaimon is neutral in the big Order vs Illuminati conflict, he’s just helping Mephisto with some stuff because he owes him (most likely because of his current vessel)…

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…but he doesn’t care about whose side ends up winning.

Meanwhile, this is his reaction to Shiemi:

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and to Mephisto once he confronted him about finally realizing about Shiemi’s powers:

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So Amaimon’s anger in the scene above is not related to Shiemi but to Mephisto: he’s mad that Mephisto didn’t tell him sooner about Shiemi + he’s most likely also mad about the fact that Mephisto definitely intends on making him choose a side in this conflict (”you have little free time left”), despite the fact that Amaimon considers himself neutral.

And what conclusion does this lead you to? Amaimon wanted to stay neutral but now that he has realized about Shiemi’s powers, he knows that he won’t be able to just be an observer => so whoever Shiemi is, she’s basically the chain now locking Amaimon on the Order’s side.  

I’m pretty sure you’re aware of all the theories about Shiemi and Shemihaza and it’s actually not very surprising to imagine a link between them and Amaimon who’s the King of Earth, especially when Shemihaza’s symbol is…

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and Shiemi used to mention something called “the Garden of Amahara”.  

Both Shemihaza and Amaimon come from Gehenna, we don’t know what kind of link they might have, but it could be that they’re pals or linked in some ways.
And if that’s the case, then Shiemi being related to Shemihaza (being their host or nephilim) would mean that Amaimon’d have to keep an eye on her (either because that’s important to him or because he has no choice in the matter).

So I really don’t think Amaimon is in to hurt Shiemi: he already kicked her during the fight against Yukio & Satan, so we know he should give 0 care and yet now he’s angry after realizing who she is. To me that implies he’s clearly going to (have to) change his way of behaving towards her, whatever the reason is.  

Also, I have to say this: the current arc is rather complicated and the main trio Rin/Shiemi/Yukio got blasted into three different directions (Yukio & Illuminati, Rin & the past, Shiemi & the Grigori). That’s why, before they can all meet again, they’ll first need the help of other characters and we may end up with Amaimon being quite relevant to Shiemi’s personal arc before the others catch up. 

I hope this makes sense, please read the post I linked to, it may have additional explanations! Have a nice day Anon. :)) 

« Weapon » Rin

the-fox-populi-says:

People, I just came up with the most massive Ao no Exorcist theory because what else are showers for. It may be a giant “duh” to many but just in case it isn’t to some…

Right from the start, we’ve been told that Rin was raised as a weapon against Satan. Now, when we think “weapon” we think “violence”. Epic battle imminent, right? The forces of evil versus the forces of good. Classic.
But today I was thinking about how the second season anime has been revealing certain plot elements of the manga. And maybe Rin isn’t intended to be the general/ ace-up-the-sleeve secret massive railgun of a giant war at all. This is gonna be long, but please ear me out.

So: second season of the anime. Kinda weird, kinda rushed, as so often when the people who produce the anime have to come up with an original ending for the show, because they caught up to the manga and are now out-running it.
But, we can be certain Kato told them at least some things of what she planned to do.
For instance:
-A giant evil organisation working against the True Cross Order,
-Yukio going darkside,
-Mephisto’s abandoned laboratory for creating artificial life,
-both the twin’s powers fully awakening.
Things didn’t happen exactly like they do in the manga, but the core is definitely there.
Now, consider: Anime!Yuri.

Anime!Yuri is a massive hippie who loves demons, and upon meeting Satan, feels sorry for him and lets him use her body as a vessel willingly. But what is particularly interesting, is that Yuri isn’t overshadowed by him. Rather, they remain two separate personalities, and can talk. Doesn’t that sound familiar?

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As a result of his time with Anime!Yuri, Satan becomes less destructive. He still wields massive power and is easily agitated, but Yuri encourages him to use his powers to create a better world for humans & demons alike.
In fact, she doesn’t sound entirely unlike some other character:

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…Which brings me to the core of the matter. The one who holds all the strings, who steers all the characters on the play board… The manipulative but brilliant asshole who has been orchestrating everything and whom we still don’t know shit about.

Mephisto.

Along with Azazel and the Emperors, Mephisto is on “team humans”.
We still don’t know why exactly Mephisto thinks humans “show merit” or why he enjoys Assiah so much (though I’ve previously theorized that because his “kin” possesses man-made objects, he wouldn’t have much to rule over without them). All we know is that “team humans” has been giving human the means to fight demons.

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It is suggested that humans might have been the ones who created demons in the first place: After all, they are concepts. *Hilarious theories of how demons created religion how’s that for a paradox -dudes imagine the look on Angel’s face if that were true* …But nothing suggests that they need humans once their ego has sprouted.
However, it is very clear that human belief still influences demons. With enough conviction, they can be bound as familiars:

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And destroyed by words & gestures:

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In the AnE verse, it is made very clear that the power of belief is everything.
And nobody seems more aware of this than Mephisto.
And it is quite possible that this is simply because he has been staying in Assiah longer than any other demon and observed first-hand how human choices shape the future.
It has been very strongly hinted in chapter 99 that he has been
rewinding & rewriting timelines in order to get the one he wants.
For some reason, thus far every one involving telling Yukio about the whole how
& why of the twins birth and continued existence has apparently
backfired, so now he’s betting it all on Rin:

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And what’s more, he has been staying in the same body for longer than any other demon. He seems very attached to it.
According to chapter 86, the only one of the demon kings who can stay in
the same body for an extended period because of his powers of Time. He
can most likely put his body in some sort of stasis to keep it from
deteriorating. BUT, he is not invincible. It is suggested in chapter 94
that he will, at some point, lose or let go of his body.

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Yet,
as pointed out by Lewin in chapter 84, he has a research facility with immortality elixir & cloned replicas in his basement. So why not simply replace/ enhance the one he’s using now? Because the
clones aren’t as good as the original? Unlikely, since they managed to artificially
create a body so strong it could hold Satan himself, however briefly.
Maybe all good ones were destroyed on Blue Night, and now that the
facility is in ruin and only has one mad scientist left, new one clones or elixir can’t
be made that simply? Is THAT why he’s after Lucifer, because of his
resources?

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Frankly, I can’t
imagine a genius like Mephisto not having some sort of back-up plan.
especially if he can do things like copy-paste entire facilities into a
different dimension and start things over in a different timeline it seems strange he hasn’t stored away some extra bodies. Rather, it seems like he has given up the whole
artificial life & elixir research entirely (and there’s the
anime-canon again!).
For whatever reason, it wasn’t feasible. Just like telling Yukio what he wanted to know didn’t work out.

To summarize: By now there probably isn’t a single entity who knows more about both human spirit and the relation between a demon and his host body than Mephisto.

Now think back to Anime!Yuri and Manga!Rin & Yukio.
And consider this quote, the super-vague wtf-is-he-talking-about one.

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I think Rin might actually not have to fight with his body at all. As we know, the control Rin has over his flames has everything to do with the control he has over his own mind and emotions.
Perhaps the reason Mephisto abandoned the idea of creating artificial hosts, is because he found the perfect ones already: He INTENDS to give the twins to both Lucifer & Satan respectively- once they are ready and he can be sure that neither will budge to the force that tries to overtake them. Spirits not in control of, but imprisoned in a human body.

After all- he already came pretty close to creating something like that before…

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rottenprincessshura:

kiellessa:

Host Bodies and TAKING OVER THE WORLD

As follow up to my previous theory, but on a slightly different tangent, I felt it warranted its own post.

On with the show…

Mephisto did create the “perfect” host. To a degree, anyway, and well enough to fool all of the rulers of Gehenna. I know people are loathe to admit he knows all, but let’s face it, he does. Or at least, enough to shape the future to his liking.

He proved with Amamion that manufacturing Kings’ hosts could be done – granted, only if they were lower in rank. He then proved they were “close”  to higher ranking Kings hosts with Goro being possessed by Satan long enough to sire children, since Satan had been trailing after Yuri her whole life and had attachments to Shiro.

He knew it was going to happen at some point and that it would the start of final years before his opus would be known. 

So, that leaves us with a dilemma. Why was there no in-between? No host for Astaroth, Egyn or Iblis if that would be the scientific way to progress: one King higher each success. 

Simple. There was never meant to be a steady flow of successes, and Goro wasn’t a fluke. Who would make better host bodies for potential usurpers that could attempt to overthrow someone who wants to be King of All?

My theory, to go along side the previous, is that Samael had found a manner of cloning that worked to an extent, whether in the main timeline or a different one, to make sure it would never be discovered, and Goro was the result of those techniques. He was then used as “live” bait to lure Satan into Assiah for Lucifer’s benefit on every level, and to his own. He needed to have what he knew was the budding of Gehenna’s ego, an entity stronger than him, to gain a tangible form on a plane of existence where he had the best advantage.

Satan manifesting in an experimental body would have been enough to ensure that Lucifer would want to continue after Section 13 closed, but in his own manner [Elixirs] leaving Samael to set the last few pieces into place without catering to his brother any further and having given him his own army.

Enter Shiemi and Nemu housing dormant Sol.

Nobody would expect beings potentially higher than the Ba’al to already be within vessels when the lesser Kings weren’t. Again, apart from Amaimon, and even then, simply so he could be used to swing the balance of high-level players into Mephisto’s favor with his debt and as a legitimate stepping stone in cloning. 

Furthermore, we’ve not seen any King at full power, but we have witnessed Rin’s burn-out and rebirth, Amaimon overtaxing his host, and Shiemi sustaining damages. That proves any full-on power will destroy a human body, regardless of how well it was created, even for the super-elite. 

I think it’s also a safety switch Mephisto planned on fully taking advantage of to become supreme ruler.

Shemihaza and Armumahel have to remain dormant so they can come back to as a surprise attack, but also so they don’t prematurely destroy their host bodies with overuse or need to crystalise again before the final showdown.

But the thing is, I don’t think they’re meant to crystalise again or that he truly cares for them as allies. They’re a means to an end.  

Perhaps the Sol being dormant within key players allows them to be reintroduced with the knowledge he has fed the Esquires – and subsequently their hosts – so they can assesses what needs to be done before they can return to their “rest.” Mephisto would be controlling what information is given at all time and paint the picture he wants them to see with all evidence in this plane corroborating it.

And that leaves us with Samael. He’s been gaming them all from the very get go. As Time, he would know everything that happens at any point to some degree, so thousands of years in the past – the moment he was incarnated – he already knew the paths the future could take and what to try to make happen to attain ultimate power. He, out of all the demons, has the luxury to wait until the right moment. Yes, he indulged himself, like all of the others, but you know what they say about all work and no play. He is a demon as he so likes to point out, hedonistic, power-hungry, and amoral to a fault.

That includes his siding with Shemihaza, Armumhel, and Azazel.

I think Mephisto wants to kill them all… or at least the demons higher than him.

Even if Shiemi/Shemihaza and Nemu/Arumahel manage not to get destroyed  when initially using their powers, that won’t last. 

Just imagine Satan, Lucifer, Armumahel, and Shemihaza all burning out their hosts in a war, having no back-ups, becoming concepts again with no way to attain form.  More final yet: being obliterated. A battle like that would require hearts and tails being out. End game. Take them all out in one fell swoop.

With potentially having made close to “perfect” hosts, by staying in the same body, he’s putting on a show and also giving himself a chance to burn it out in the near future. His back up host is either Shura, as a short term if his current form doesn’t make it to the last battle (as I’ve stated here and @rottenprincessshura stated here ), but honestly, the last host I think he’s aiming for is Rin.

There is no immortal body, or perfect host, other than one preserved Time, and Rin’s is the closest there is to perfection as a full demon in living in Assiah. 

Mephisto would be the strongest demon left and possess Satan’s flames via Rin. 

My theory of Mephisto’s end-game isn’t anything new, just crack theory on his long con.

I agree with this. I really feel that Mephisto wants to rule over all of Assiah and Gehenna…and will stay in Assiah.  He won’t kill humanity because he is a concept created by humanity. Having humans believe in him…gives him power and adoration he craves. He’s carefully planning the complete take-down of his competition. All the exwires are indeed pawns chosen by Mephisto to advance his plans and he’s meddled in their lives accordingly. Of course Mephisto has access to the best technology, and scientific innovation. He can go anywhere in time to find the information he needs for success. Shura seems to be the only person brave enough to confront him, and it drives hims nuts because he can’t eliminate her. He needs her–her pawn is still in play.  Shura is pretty much powerless against Mephisto. The only thing she could do to save Rin would be to martyr herself when Mephisto possessed her. Like Shiro did with Satan. Another theory…maybe Shura takes the elixir and keeps Mephisto to save Rin. (god…i don’t like either one of those options for Shura.) Deep down I’m hoping something in Mephisto changes and that he reconsiders!