About this scene from ch126, something sounds strange to me.
Ciel said that “Westminster must be in pure chaos” because all those old Lords, whom the sect had been helping for at least a year and a half, died… So it almost sounds as if a part of the blue sect’s goal was about politics somehow.
First they helped them, which means that they had to have mastered how blood transfusion works in the first place and as Wolfram once said…
…mastering blood transfusion can be very useful for war (and it seems Queen Victoria wants a war by the way, just saying).
However, once the experiment with the 4 Lords seemed to have been complete, they were killed, which led to Ciel saying that maybe Westminster would be in pure chaos, but would Yana really include such a sentence if that had no meaning for the plot at all?
Now, not only could I be totally off the track but I’m also unfortunately not very aware of how the British politic system worked during the Victorian era (and no offense, but I just don’t have the time to research about it for the next 15 days :/). Still, one thing I know is that…
And the Queen wants a war. Yep. She even wants UT’s Bizarre Dolls and Sieglinde’s SULIN to help her win it.
at first, the blue sect helped these lords with their diseases, probably as a cover for experimenting about blood transfusion (very useful for war)
once the 4 “bizarre dolls” Lords were all set and ready to go after months of effort, those lords were killed which allowed Bravat to get a large quantity of blood, while chaos at Westminster due to their murders might help the Queen with her war project (maybe she needs the Parliament to agree or she intends to rule again, Kuro is an AU after all).
The other candidate as the blue sect’s mastermind is Undertaker and I know he dislikes the Queen and all, but killing a few old parlimentarians wouldn’t be very useful if he ever had the plan to get revenge on her.
However, it is very certain that UT is involved in this arc in some way, so what if…
…he’s trying to tamper with the Queen’s plans? Like maybe it happened before?
In that case, as @thedarkestcrow once briefly mentioned here, maybe that liquid he made “Ciel” (probably the twin if this theory is correct) drink is supposed to slow the experiment as much as possible, which is why he said “sleep just a little longer because it’s too early for you to wake up”.
After all we know that Bravat had trouble with getting Sirius in particular to be fine, which is probably why the arc is so long in the first place, so what if it wasn’t just a matter of quantity of blood? Maybe UT tried to tamper with the 4 Lords, but since Bravat had even less blood for Sirius than he did for the other 3, that’s why it took so long for the 4 Lords to be ready?
And that could even explain…
…this panel from ch120 as a throwback to ch108. Because UT really likes the P family, but he isn’t the one who brought the 4 Lords back and he unfortunately has no choice but to try stopping the experiment (bringing the 4 lords and precisely the twin back to a stable “life” state, only for them to be used by the Queen as war weapons), which is why he’s getting emotional in that chapter (just like in ch108 when he stroked “Ciel”’s cheek).
I hope it makes sense somehow. I just want to conclude by saying that I’m clearly biased because I really don’t want UT to be the mastermind behind this arc and this feeling gets stronger the more we delve into this arc, so for now I’m going with any other possibility.
Oh and I don’t see any plothole with the Queen + John Brown as the masterminds behind the blue sect and Bravat for now, but as always I could be wrong. 🙂
I read your tags and I want to say that I’m with you! I, too, will believe in him till the end.
Aww I’m glad I’m not alone! 😀 I mean, it’s not like I think he isn’t capable of organizing something like the blue sect or that he’s “too good” to do this (obviously he’s bat-shit crazy enough), but still, I have the hardest time picturing him hurting one of the Phantomhives on purpose. Not after ch105 and the whole manga in the perspective of his past relationship with Ciel
(even more if you consider the theory that he was involved with Claudia).
And besides, the more time goes on, the more I think that we’re going to learn about Claudia and/or some secrets of the P family through him, more than through Tanaka or Frances, though this is 100% a personal vibe. That’s why, if he helps Ciel before the end of this arc, I think we could finally have a talk between UT and Ciel, and it is long overdue because:
since the last time they saw each other, Ciel learnt that the locket of Claudia P represented his grandmother
and there is all that Dee told him in the last arc
I feel that we’re coming closer to answers about UT and the P family, because Claudia gets mentioned in every arc ever since Weston + there is what the German Shinigamis said about the family’s lineage in the last arc and the fact that Othello was introduced recently.
However, while Othello might know him, he certainly wouldn’t know what UT has been up to for the last 50 years, so that’s why I think that UT will mainly be the one to tell Ciel (and us) about his story and it can’t really happen if UT is the one who organized this conflict with the twin. So that’s also why, besides the little theories, I don’t think he can be the mastermind.
Thanks for reading and for leaving such a nice comment! 😀
Yeah, I, too, think that there’s at least one shinigami involved in the sect. However, I’m not 100% sure yet who it might be. Undertaker seems to be the primary suspect but
if Othello meant him by “that person” in this scene, then it means that Undertaker isn’t really familiar with/interested in technologies, so there might be someone else at play. And at this point, I personally don’t think that a completely new villain character (be it a demon or a shinigami) will be introduced to the story, so I hope it’s someone we already know (like Brown, for example)!
Disclaimer: Spoilers and long post. As such, this theory will initially be a little chronological to try and make the explanation simpler. If any point is unclear, feel free to ask @thedarkestcrow or me about it as it is something we discussed together. 🙂
First of all, here’s what we know about the current arc (ch127 happens mid-November 1889):
Bravat (who’s most likely human) knew from the beginning that Ciel is the Watchdog (”Earl Phantomhive”), that Seb is a demon, that Lizzie is Ciel’s fiancée and that the Starlight Four committed crimes at Weston.
Bravat’s sect is at least one and a half year/two years old (ch125). However, seeing as there was no hint of massive blood collects and death before August/September 1889, we’ll assume for this theory that the 4 star lords were put in Bravat’s care at some point during Summer 1889, which is when Bravat started using the S4 to promote the Sphere music hall in order to collect as much blood as possible.
Othello said that, considering the anormal progress of the sect’s technology, a supernatural being is most likely behind it (ch119/ch125). This supernatural mastermind is very probably the reason Bravat knew about Sebastian being a demon (and about Lizzie and Ciel).
While the reason tying Lizzie to the sect is still unclear, we’re going to assume for this theory that Bravat’s mention of her to Ciel (ch123) might mean that she’s seen as a possible hostage to use against him.
Lastly, about the 2CT: it seems like it’s almost confirmed.
Lord Sirius being Ciel’s twin (aka Real!Ciel, a “bizarre doll”) is a popular theory
Agni’s reaction when he found the burnt picture of Ciel’s family (ch126) was quite telling that something was unexpected about this picture.
I hope all of this makes sense for you guys! Onto the theory about John Brown…
1) Going back in time…
…To December 1885, Vincent is killed and his sons are bought by a satanic cult that intends on using them as sacrifices in order to summon a demon. In January 1886, Real!Ciel is sacrificed on the altar and our!Ciel manages to summon Sebastian, selling his soul to him in order to survive and get revenge. He then becomes the new Queen’s Watchdog in March 1886.
Fastforwarding a bit, ch125 told us that the old Lords whom Bravat used to transfuse regularly should have died more than one and a half year ago, meaning that Bravat’s sect has been at least existing ever since Winter 1887/Spring 1888.
A possible link to Ryan’s Aurora Society or the mysterious Osiris company mentioned during the Campania arc is possible but we don’t have any hint vouching for it yet.
Fastforwarding again, it’s February 1889 and the Circus arc happens, resulting in a messy ending, with Ciel lying to the Queen about his report for this case, not knowing that the Double Charles and John Brown (as well as the Undertaker) witnessed what he truly did.
As a result, Queen Victoria organizes a grand punishment in March 1889, starring Charles Grey killing an important German lord and trying to have Ciel take the fall for the murder in front of witnesses. This ends rather well though, as Ciel manages to trick Grey and blame someone else for the murder.
In April 1889, it’s the Campania arc, where the Undertaker introduces for the first time his Bizarre Doll project, indirectly mass-murdering many people seemingly without a care in the world. He manages to run away, leaving his chain of lockets to Ciel and with Sebastian concluding the arc on…
They obviously did run into him again though, in June 1889, when they end up facing ameliorated BDs, because of several murders committed by 4 students (the Starlight 4). At the end of this arc, Ciel makes his report to Queen Victoria, telling her about the S4′s crimes but also about the Undertaker’s Bizarre Dolls. Strangely enough though, she doesn’t find Ciel’s explanation to be senseless and once he left, this discussion about BDs happens between her and John Brown:
So, Queen Victoria seems to find the idea of having BDs as “allies” to be very fancy. And, as the following arc happening in Germany in August 1889 will show, it seems that Queen Victoria finds that idea to be oh!so very interesting because she’s actually preparing for a war against Germany, which is also why she asks Ciel to bring Sieglinde and her latest deadly invention (the SULIN gas) back to England, so that Sieglinde can invent new war weapons that the Queen will then use against Germany.
At least that was how the clever plan getting Victoria new deadly war weapons was supposed to go.
Because two slight problems arose:
the Undertaker unfortunately doesn’t happen to be Victoria’s greatest fan (most likely because she’s the reason Vincent, and maybe Claudia Phantomhive, ended up dead thanks to the Watchdog duty), so trying to make friends with UT to get the BDs probably wouldn’t work at all.
Ciel unfortunately saw through Victoria’s plan for Sieglinde and the SULIN and he tasked Sebastian with getting rid of the very deadly gas in ch108, double crossing “his master” by doing so.
Unfortunately though, Ciel’s plan kind of backfired at him, since Queen Victoria and John Brown made it rather obvious in ch108 (late August 1889) that they saw through his little game, which means that it’s the second mistake (or act of defiance) that Ciel made as the Watchdog in less than a year, causing Brown/King Albert to…
…compare him to his very murdered father.
@thedarkestcrow and I (and other readers of course) took this as a rather serious threat against Ciel (something he probably realized as well), perfectly fitting with the theory that the Queen and John Brown might have something to do with the murders of Vincent and Rachel, for a reason that’s still unknown. [x] [x]
In any case, while Victoria saw through Ciel’s little game with the SULIN quite obviously, she doesn’t appear to have punished him (yet?) and anyway, ch114 told us that she was actually visiting Sieglinde often, probably because she hasn’t given up on Sieglinde creating something useful for her war.
As for her desire to get allies in the form of Bizarre Dolls, if the one who initially had the idea (the Undertaker) can’t be found and convinced to help her, maybe she could ask another supernatural being to make them for her?
One she already knows; one she trusts because he comforts her when she’s sad and missing her husband; one who knows about her war plans and who promised to protect her; one who traveled in record time from England to Germany without riding his horse and without triggering the traps in the forest; one whose eyes are always hidden, hinting that maybe they would give away his true nature should they be seen…
…Or maybe John Brown is making it all a surprise in this arc because he’s very dedicated to her…?
2) John Brown (and Queen Victoria?) as the mastermind behind this arc
Starting from here, this is all hypothetical, but maybe I should say now that @thedarkestcrow and I started considering that the supernatural mastermind Othello hinted at had to be someone who was not the Undertaker ever since Ciel became targeted in the recent events. For now, it’s unclear whether Soma really was the target of the attack of ch126/127 or if Ciel was, but, even if the target was Soma, it most likely inherently had to do with Ciel.
So, considering the Undertaker’s attachment to the P family, we tend to agree with Sebastian when he once said that the Undertaker “doesn’t seem to want to cause [Ciel] harm”. Besides, so far, the Undertaker’s BD project mostly was based on alterations of cinematic records, so the fact that the 4 Lords (if they’re indeed supposed to be BDs) seemed to be dependent of blood always made us wonder why he’d change his methods now (especially after BD!Algares who was almost perfect).
However, John Brown if he’s the mastermind trying to “make things go according to her majesty’s wishes”
(no matter what kind of supernatural being he is), wouldn’t know how UT managed to create his BDs, so maybe that’s why the 4 Lords seem to be different, needing blood when UT’s dolls didn’t.
John Brown could also be behind Bravat’s technology ever since the old Lords started to be transfused at least two years ago, simply because Victoria is preparing for war and as Wolfram put it in ch114…
So after researching about blood transfusion, Brown used these important old Lords to experiment his blood transfusion technique by the intermediary of Bravat’s sect, thanks to the technology he developed as a supernatural being (that device that Othello was impressed with in ch125).
Brown as Victoria’s footman and as the supernatural mastermind behind Bravat would also be aware of:
Ciel being the watchdog
Seb being a demon
Lizzie being Ciel’s fiancée
the S4 having committed crimes and making for useful pawns.
Finally, if we’re saying that the blue sect is a cover for Brown researching how to make bizarre doll-like beings that will be used as war weapons, I know it does sound strange (if she is aware of what he is doing) that Queen Victoria deliberately put Ciel on Bravat’s trail.
So, this part is really a wild idea but what if it all was a part of her plan, because no one can know what she and John Brown tried to create using the Sphere music hall as a cover? After all, imagine the scandal if people were to learn that the Queen is indirectly responsible for bleeding to death a part of London, because she’s involved with senseless experiments!
Which is why she asked Ciel to go investigate the Sphere music hall…
…even giving him the list of these old Lords that were being transfused by Bravat over the last two years…
…maybe hoping that Bravat purposedly endangering Lizzie by making her join the sect at the same time would be a good way for him to focus on settling this case with as much efficiency as possible?
Settling the case might not be what she’s expecting of him at all… Rather she wants him to get rid of Bravat and his sect, Lizzie used “as a hostage” being what should motivate Ciel to do anything to eliminate the ones who endangered her (and obviously Bravat wouldn’t know that he’s expandable). And it’s not such a crazy bet when we see how Ciel solved most of the other cases given to him.
Of course, if John Brown has his own agenda (or if the Queen doesn’t know that he might be supernatural), it’s possible that the Queen might not have known that Brown was trying to create the “bizarre dolls” that they talked about back in ch84, hence why she put Ciel on the case. That being said, considering how she didn’t seem surprised that things as strange as Bizarre Dolls could exist back in ch84, if Brown is supernatural then she might be aware of it.
3) About the events of ch126/127
A really hypothetical part yet again, just to point out that…
…Whoever Agni’s killer is, he’s stronger than a normal human because Agni himself was a very good fighter and he almost couldn’t fight back. So, while we’re not 100% sure of who this man is yet (Lord Polaris? maybe John Brown himself?) and same for the gunman, it would make sense to think that they’re linked to the Sphere music hall.
If the two men who attacked Soma and Agni are Lord Polaris and Lord Sirius then, if they’re really supposed to be equivalents of UT’s BDs, maybe the fact they need a lot blood could also have to do with a possible enhancement of their physical capacities. That would explain the strength of Agni’s killer.
Take Finny for example. Do you remember where Finny is from? A German research institute that the Queen had Ciel raid, for the same reason she sent him to Sieglinde’s village. So if Germany had found a way to enhance physical capacities, it’s not impossible for England to have found it as well, especially since it would be very useful for war.
In any case, the fact that Ciel’s house was targeted might have been for a simple reason: maybe it was a way to experiment if the “dolls” (Lord Polaris and Lord Sirius in that case) were following orders correctly as well as how they would manage against a strong fighter like Agni (or maybe even Sebastian). As for why choosing Ciel’s house as the target of the experimental attack… well, maybe this (hurting Soma and killing Agni) is Ciel’s punishment for taking the SULIN away from the Queen… Unless it’s an initiative by Bravat of course, because he’s tired of Ciel trying to stop him. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Thanks for reading and sorry that it was so long!
As always, this post could be totally off (the theory about Ciel’s twin wanting revenge still holds, even if I just can’t see UT as the mastermind behind the sect anymore after the events of ch126/127) especially since this theory doesn’t completely explain everything, so please take everything with a grain of salt and feel free to share your thoughts about this theory if you feel like it.
When Ciel and Sebastian go into the half finished music hall in Bath, they find the old men have died, but Violet is still alive. He’s strapped to a chair, but he is alive and is even able to explain his plan a bit along with passing along the information that Bravat had gone back to London. Of course, this was all very important to the plot, but there is one question I still have.
Did Bravat purposely leave Violet alive?
I know Violet might still be alive could all be because he needed to give this information to Ciel, so it might not be any deeper than that, but I can’t help but question. First off, when Violet is discovered, he is trapped in the chair, but it doesn’t appear as if there are any I.V.’s or tubes taking his blood.
You can see is bruised arm and veins, but there’s no I.V. there.
The other men died when their blood was drained very quickly.
According to my now very creepy google search history, blood can be drained from the body rather quickly if it is vacuumed. These men would have most likely died within minutes.
So, perhaps Violet was specifically placed in the room in his weakened state, but he was specifically not killed for some reason.
It was confirmed that Violet’s blood was taken though, because he collapsed soon after Ciel & Seb found him, so I agree with you that, while Bravat didn’t take all his blood and killed him like the other lords (maybe because he had finally the sufficient amount?), there is a high chance he might have been left there on purpose.
As for why, it’s always back to the same thing…
Bravat was not alone from the very beginning, he’s backed up by someone who might or not be UT and who most likely also gave him the info he had on Lizzie, Ciel and Seb.
The whole arc was apparently built up on people betting on their plans working:
Lizzie meeting Bravat was more luck than an actual trap since apparently Violet is the one who’s responsible for Edward visiting the Sphere music hall
Violet was hoping Ciel would be on the case, and thanks to the Queen it happened
Bravat had these info about Ciel and Seb, most likely because the mastermind was expecting them to show up, because the Queen would at some point give the case to Ciel
Bravat didn’t seem that worried to have Scotland Yard stopping his work when Ciel “won”, even if he didn’t expect Ciel to build his ownmusic hall
TL;DR it’s possible that Bravat and/or the guy with him bet that Ciel would find the rest of the S4 or that the S4 would contact Ciel, so that he would come to Bath. And in case Ciel didn’t come, well, Violet would have died and end of the story.
That’s probably why Othello said:
If Ciel hadn’t decided to go after Bravat and found the S4 (because he wanted to find Lizzie and Bravat), then Violet would have died.
That’s one more reason making me think the mastermind is UT at this point, because he’s the only one who would be able to bet so accurately on what Ciel would do.
Hey Anon 🙂 Sorry but I’m not sure of what you’re asking exactly?
It’s true I talked about anachronism at least once before and I probably reblogged posts on the subject as well, so are you asking for examples of anachronisms in the story?
I personally think there are two types of anachronism so far in Kuro:
the ones that are random because Yana didn’t know Kuroshitsuji would be a long serialization back then or
because she
just wanted it to be funny for the readers
(mostly the early examples)…
That’s the one you meant about Soma and the television, it’s in ch23 🙂
and the anachronisms that are probably part of a bigger pattern:
Be it in the GW arc (linked to the war subplot with Queen Victoria) with radars and panzers (even Seb was impressed)…
Or in the current arc, as we know thanks to Othello…
which are either linked to Sieglinde’s huge intellect (with the new gas in the GW arc or as we could also see with her ideas in the current arc for the Phantom Five) or to supernatural beings as Othello explained twice in the current arc. 🙂
Personally I think that the anachronisms/modern technologies that have been introduced ever since the last arc (radar, panzer, the SULIN, Sieglinde’s inventions in the current arc, Bravat’s strange devices for the blood transfusions) are important and a part of the bigger pattern that you mentioned. 🙂 I spoke slightly more about this subject here in case you haven’t seen that post yet.
Sorry if that doesn’t answer your question though, Anon I hope I understood what you meant…
Othello made two points in chapter 125 that makes it appear that Ciel’s contact with Ciel is a bit different than most demonic contracts. First, we have Ciel’s age.
Othello literally says that seeing someone Ciel’s age in such a contract is rare. It’s not impossible, and the use of the word ‘rare’ means there have been similar cases in the past but it is not something that is seen commonly at all. There might be reasons for this – such as the sort of things a person might make such a contract for, but I doubt that is all that important.
The second point I think might be more pertinent to the story. Othello mentions that when someone or something with knowledge beyond that of normal humans the lives of people that have contact with that being might be altered.
He adds that this is rare for demons, however, since most are only concerned with instant gratification and then the contract is done.
But this isn’t the case with Sebastian and Ciel.
When Ciel first made the contract, he actually asked for the power to obtain revenge. He didn’t ask just for revenge itself, which doesn’t allow for an exact time frame. Plus Ciel has never ordered Sebastian just to find who killed his parents and such. He’s waiting for these people to come to him.
Secondly, Ciel set up conditions for Sebastian; to protect him and never betray him, to obey him unconditionally, and to never lie.
Which led to Sebastian taking on this guise as butler to stay by Ciel’s side. Of course, all of us know this. How does this make their contract unique?
Well, first it’s not only a long term contract, but it also a contract that requires Sebastian to stay by Ciel’s side. This means that people who come into contact with Ciel also come into contact with Sebastian.
There’s a whole lot of people who could potentially have their lives offered.
This is unique. Let’s say a person makes a contract with a demon to be extremely wealthy. The demons sets things up so this will happen and then can come back after a set amount of time, say 10 years, and collects the soul. The demon’s contact with the person is limited, and they might never see any other being that is attached to that person. This is not the case for Ciel. Everyone who calls themselves Ciel’s friend, whether they are truly his friend or not, has direct contact with Sebastian. All of his acquaintances and even Ciel’s enemies have contact with Sebastian.
So, this is not a common thing in the Kuro universe. Because of Ciel’s deal, a lot of people can be affected and have their own lives altered.
Thoughts?
I have always considered it interesting, the idea that there’s no time limit on Ciel’s contract and that Sebastian’s always around, but I’d never really thought of what kind of impact that has on everyone else. Sebastian definitely makes an impression; the most recent we’ve seen of that is Joanne’s absolute hero-worship of him. People Ciel never could have beaten on his own are dead because of him. People Ciel couldn’t have saved are alive because of him. The reapers’ books are probably shifting dramatically every time Ciel and Sebastian get involved in something.
But he’s also left his mark in other ways, like on the servants. The servants have to know that there’s something weird about him, especially Finny, considering he can stand up to Finny’s strength. Bard calls him “Superman”, but if any of them ever decided to think too hard about it…
What happens if a human not in a contract knows about demons (or reapers)? All the ones so far have ended up dead…
Hey Anon! Aahh, sorry, I was more salty than upset to be honest, haha but… I can’t help it, I like logic and I know Yana can do better so… yeah I needed to be slightly sarcastic, haha. xD
That’s what happens when people ask questions before I really had the time to process the chapter (especially when I didn’t enjoy it). I still mean all my words though, Yana-sensei really didn’t show the best of her abilities by explaining Violet’s miserable plan. But sorry again if it unsettled you :3
As for this scene…
I don’t think the real hint is the hair sample that Othello took xD though maybe he has the means to analyze it and it could maybe help him with from where he seems to remember someone looking like Ciel?
Anyway about “I feel like I’ve seen you before”, as I quickly said here, this could refer to:
Claudia
Vincent
Rachel
the twin if he exists
someone else linked to Ciel somehow and that Othello could know (aka the Undertaker)
I agree that it could have to do with the lineage, since other reapers introduced the family lineage having something special, but in that peculiar case it would make more sense for Othello to be thinking about UT (since that would at least explain the “strange” lineage), but again there is the matter of if Ciel really resembles UT.
I personally find that UT and Vincent had a few physical similarities but I know that not everyone agrees and besides, I don’t particularly find Ciel and UT to look like each other either so…
¯_(ツ)_/¯ We don’t even know who Ciel looks more like when it comes to his parents though lmao, ‘cause Red said he looks like Rachel while Dee says he looks like Vincent so again ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Besides UT though…
about Othello knowing Claudia: they could have met 50 years ago since she was a living little girl and he had gone to the human world, but he’d need to have a crazy memory to remember her face after all these years.
about Othello knowing Vincent or Rachel: Othello would have never met them as humans since he hasn’t been in the human world for the last 50 years + since Shinigamis like Grell only collect souls, that means he probably didn’t examine their bodies either. I also don’t think any Shinigamis have a right to examine anything besides the dead’s cinematic records which stay with the bodies (the souls are probably judged by the superiors) so I doubt Othello has ever seen Vincent and/or Rachel.
about Othello knowing the twin: same reasoning as above.
The way Othello said this makes me think it’s really about an old memory from the past (aka the UT or Claudia possibilities)…
…which means I personally doubt Othello and Grell have seen the 4 star lords and that Othello was referring to Sirius, because…
If Sirius looks indeed like Ciel (which, I agree, would explain Violet’s weird reaction to seeing Ciel as he woke up), that means that, no matter if they’re the twin or Claudia, Sirius is a BD
so as a Shinigami, Othello (followed by Grell) should probably notice that the 4 star Lords were not natural humans (not 100% sure though)
anyway he would probably remember for sure why he has this déjà vu feeling about Ciel if he had met Sirius (since Othello showed up at the beginning of October and we’re mid-November)
If Sirius is actually the twin and Othello & Grell met him at least once ever since October
you can be sure that Grell would have reacted “?????” since they’ve known Ciel for a while now and would have probably mentioned it in the last chapter
again I’m sure Othello would remember about why he has this feeling, since Sirius is a part of the current mystery and Othello has been following the investigation for a month and a half.
There you go, I literally gave you all the possibilities I could think of at the moment. xD
My personal best guess is UT (because “50 years ago” links Othello and UT so it makes a lot of sense + that could be an answer to the lineage plot point indeed) even if, as I said, I don’t even particularly think UT and Ciel look like each other (but UT is canonly the most beautiful guy and Ciel, like Vincent, was described to be quite handsome more than once so…). And my second best guess is Claudia, if somehow Othello met her 50 years ago and remembered that little girl all this time.
I hope that helps, sorry it got long and detailed!
Hello Anon and… I can but… read it at your own risk because /! slightly salty soup of feelings ahead /! okay? Sorry in advance for the slightly annoyed tone sometimes. ;_;
So, about the beginning of the chapter:
I already talked about this panel here and here and I don’t have anything else to add for the moment. As for this panel…
(bye bye characters, see you maybe in another arc)
@erebus-cheslock did a great summary of my thoughts here and I’m, like, completely jaded about how convenient it is.
Next about Ciel’s investigation:
Personally it’s not something I was surprised about, but I have to admit it felt good to have something at least a little logical in this chapter. And about this…
Well, lmao, besides the fact that Soma is ten times less blind and naive than they are, this part was also nothing new for me.
Also about Bravat killing the old Lords, nothing new yet again but from the moment he was already collecting people’s blood to the point of killing them before this chapter, I really am sure it wasn’t supposed to be a big reveal to anyone.
Next, about Violet’s plan………… ( -_-’)
Besides the fact that I completely share @akumadeenglish‘s feelings about this being an utterly stupid and senseless plan, I also am searching for the entire subplot’s logic ‘cause…
1)
Greenhill is the one who invited Ed
but yeah, I mean, okay, maybe Violet gave him the idea, that would wor–
3) – So if Violet is the reason behind Ed coming to the Sphere music hall…
– And Ed is the one who brought Lizzie because he had a good time which is how she met Bravat……
=> Then somehow that means that the mastermind behind Bravat’s actions had planned that Violet would plan to invite Edward and also that themastermind bet the whole success of his plan to bring Lizzie into the Sphere music hall on the initial hypothesis that Violet would convince Greenhill to invite Edward (who then would need to have a good time in order to bring Lizzie with him, which would allow her to meet Bravat, leading to her running away from home 3 weeks later).
Inception
And I’m sorry but… what? So really, I have no idea what the hell is going on with the current subplot. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I mean, let’s say that the mastermind is UT, well, I love him and he’s a good judge of characters, but to say that he could see through Violet that much is going way too far into Nonsensical road lane.
4) Violet’s plan sucked anyway since it’s the Queen who ended up introducing Ciel to the Sphere music hall.
Finally about the Shinigamis…
This part kinda saved the chapter to be honest and Othello was funny.
The mystery remains full about who really is behind Bravat’s blue sect getting such knowledge though…
Because Othello gave again the example of a demon…
But I still think it’s not crazy to imagine that UT could be behind all this so… For now, nothing changes about this part of the subplot.
Lastly about this little scene…
I saw many theories already about how Othello could have known Claudia/Vincent/the twin etc. but… here’s the thing:
Othello hasn’t been in the human world for 50 years and I’m not sure he sees any humans at all when he’s not in the human world since Shinigamis like Grell only collect souls (and I’m also not sure Othello gets anywhere near those souls).
50 years ago Vincent and the possible twin weren’t born and Claudia was 9 years old, so let’s say Othello met with Claudia 50 years ago, that means he would have somehow remembered her face until now? Why not but… still seemingly a bit far-fetched to me (but at this point, maybe Yana doesn’t care anymore about making sense).
So, Vincent and Claudia aside, logically it could be interesting to consider that there is one other link between Othello and Ciel, because Othello is a Shinigami that hasn’t been in the human world for 50 years and… that person is the Undertaker (because he was a Shinigami as well before deserting 50 years ago).
So… maybe this scene could be a hint to the grandpa!UT theory, but then again that would mean that we’re supposed to consider that Ciel looks like Vincent who looked like UT and… not only is it still far-fetched but I know that not everyone agree on this.
TL;DR ¯_(ツ)_/¯
These are all my thoughts so far in exclusivity for you Anon, keep in mind that they can still change as always.
OMG ANON, your ask made me laugh so much xDDDD I mean, initially since you said “KS” I thought you wanted to talk about Killing Stalking, so I was really confused about your point on anachronism, until I got to the “GW-arc” part, hahaha (are you reading KS too?).
Anyway, about anachronism in Kuroshitsuji, I think you’re totally on point 🙂 So that’s just me but I don’t think anything from the first volume actually holds any value when it comes to the main plot and that means the anachronisms as well (because Yana said the story was supposed to end on ch4).
Same for vol 4 and Soma watching TV (if I remember correctly), I doubt it has a lot of meaning, however yes I think it’s different when it comes to the GW arc and radars…
or panzers…
especially considering…
the war subplot with Victoria
that even Seb was impressed during the GW arc
and that it goes along with the new plot point Othello introduced earlier in the current arc:
So, all in all, one could explain the anachronisms of the first volumes by Seb making it possible “because he’s a demon” (that would go with Othello’s explanation) but seeing as they’ve not been directly touched upon ever since vol 4, I don’t think they really matter to the plot either.
As for the anachronisms ever since the GW arc, personally I think maybe it has to do with UT and related to UT means that it’s often very important to the plot. xD
Anyway, I agree with you and these are just some thoughts of mine on the subject, as always I could be totally wrong.
I hope it answered your question, thanks for passing by and have a nice day Anon. 🙂
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