Interesting how the strings we can see are kinda similar in these two panels, especially when Donato was referred to as “Crown” before and since there is a lot of symbolism associated to him being a OEG (+ same topic, “love”, in both panels).
I know that there is a lot of discussion about Donato being the Nagaraj right now, but ch151 at least seems to contradict that idea (just my opinion, obviously we could be trolled by Sensei and he could make that panel about Donato instead of possibly Uta), even if this doesn’t really matter since it was said that there were 2OEGs before Eto in the timeline anyway.
EDIT: tho’ I guess that seeing Sasaki’s puffy hairstyle compared to Kaneki’s, the One Eyed Washuu could be considered to be a younger Donato with black straight hair, his current beard hiding the mole on his chin (in that case he would be half Russian/half Japanese then?).
I guess we’ll see. :3
the weird thing is that both Uta and Donato are associated with the Hindu myth about Vasuki/the Nagaraj/etc so I’m just not sure about who’s who, with all the possibilities. I mean, there is this exchange…
*sigh*
so I’m not buying the red herrings about either of them (tho’ that wouldn’t have to stop Sensei obviously): Sensei hinted a lot about both of them, Itori and Nico are also still mysterious and suspicious in their own ways so there IS something up about all of the Clowns.
SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
i’m just tired SENSEI STOP WITH ALL THE HINTS/RED HERRINGS OR WHATEVER, i’m about to go insane…
This is a post relevant to the whole manga so far, but even more particularly to the current arc, seeing as it is one of the major reasons it’s very hard to be sure of anything when it comes to future developments.
Anyway, I love Lizzie but she’s hella complex and in my opinion, Yana is totally playing on that, which is obviously not helpful. xD An example, before I explain:
Before the Campania arc, we didn’t know “the real Lizzie” because we had no hint that Lizzie even had the slightest idea what the Watchdog duty was. We didn’t have the slightest idea either that she was as badass as she is. Literally the first hint we got that something was up with her was when she reacted midly surprised to Ciel holding a gun to her face, more shocked that he’d point it at her than of the fact he was holding a gun in the first place.
This is what I mean by Lizzie’s ambivalence: her character can always be read in two completely opposite ways
and the reason for that is
because she was presented as having two radically different sides rather “late” in the story, compared to when she was first introduced.
The contrast between her naturally extremely cheerful personality (her love of cute things)…
and what she was taught by her mother (her badass side) was never foreshadowed until the Campania arc, but retrospectively, now that we know about it, it changes things. For example:
you can wonder if the attack on the manor during the circus arc really had Lizzie being clueless about the situation and not even wondering why a part of the manor had exploded during the night.
you could even use this contrast to explain why her parents let her go alone to any party, especially to one held by Druitt, a rather popular womanizer (and also human trafficker, not that her parents had to know).
This leads to one of the major differences between Ciel and Lizzie, narratively speaking: Ciel initially hardly knew anything about the Watchdog duty because Vincent died before he could teach him anything…
so he had to learn on his own, which is probably why everyone always notices when he fails to be a completely obedient doggy (even if what UT said about him being relatively different from his predecessors is probably another big reason).
Meanwhile Lizzie had her mom by her side from the beginning, her mom who trained her to be as strong as the Watchdog’s wife needed to be in order to survive. And Frances factors heavily in this difference with Ciel because she herself used to be a Phantomhive. In other words…
these are what makes Lizzie the badass girl she is and, more precisely, her mother’s lessons are creating the ambivalence of her character, because without Frances’ teachings, the Lizzie we know would simply be the girl we saw until the Campania arc.
So the fact there was another side of her from the beginning and that Yana kept it completely hidden for a while (no foreshadowing at all when we know Sensei loves foreshadowing) could be a narrative choice made to be completely relevant to Lizzie’s role in the story.
To get back on the initial subject and to explain what I meant regarding the current arc, when you see Frances (who’s the one who taught Lizzie everything), do you think she’d even buy Bravat’s fortune-telling?
Personally I don’t think she would.
Now, when it comes to Lizzie, what do you think? Because there is a difference between enjoying a little vibe of mystery (who doesn’t like a deviner trying to guess stuff) and completely buying the words of a total stranger, especially when they seem to know about your fiancé who coincidentally happens to be the Queen’s Watchdog and an important target of the Underworld.
And this is but one example of why the ambivalence of Lizzie’s character is such. a. pain. when it comes to the current arc, because you could argue that Lizzie’s reaction to Bravat’s “prediction” was genuine…
we know she’s been worrying about Ciel hiding something big ever since the Easter chapter, which was in April and Liz met with Bravat in August
she’s young and that’s the main difference with her mother who’s a grown adult and who experienced much more than her
…just like you could argue that Bravat’s words possibly frightened her because they were too accurate and, while Ed was yelling, she was busy wondering if Bravat was a possibly dangerous enemy (and in that case, the reason she went back to see him is because she wanted to evaluate just how much he knew about Ciel until, well, Bravat revealed something much more unexpected).
Another example would be:
Lizzie’s words to a sleeping real!Ciel in ch113. It’s something I remembered last week and that I shared with @thedarkestcrow because to this day we still can’t explain her words: What did she mean by “I can’t save you”? Why does she think that?? And save real!Ciel from whom or what???
There again, Yana making her character ambivalent is leading me to imagine two radically different possibilities:
she feels guilty about not being able to give him her blood to save his “radiance” => I’ve personally always found that idea so very stupid (and thus not like Lizzie) considering that she was born with her blood type and that it can’t be helped, buuut I guess the situation could be confusing and painful enough for her to be manipulated into thinking that she’s useless.
she’s actually implying that she wanted to save real!Ciel from the sect, but it’s proving to be much harder than she expected (hence why she cries) and so she stays by his side, watching the sect killing people while she can only imagine why they brought back the twin and what they intend to make him do once he’ll be “ready”. In that case, it’s also no wonder Paula said she’s been constantly crying.
See what I mean? Lizzie’s ambivalent character is proving to be a major pain for the current arc, because we know she was raised by a woman who wouldn’t have taken two shits coming from the blue sect, but Lizzie is not her mother as she’s younger and more inexperienced than Frances.
So what we saw of Lizzie’s actions so far in the arc gives us two big interpretations as to what her role is supposed to be:
was she manipulated by the blue sect to be an hostage to use against our!Ciel?
it is the most popular take on her role for this arc: the sect baited her with the twin and she’s choosing his side over our!Ciel’s for the moment because she’s confused and pained by the truth facing her.
hence Bravat’s words in ch123, taunting Ciel with Lizzie’s choosing the twin over him.
or was she trying to double-cross them from the beginning (both for real!Ciel’s and our!Ciel’s sakes)?
this part actually belongs to a bigger crack theory I discussed with @thedarkestcrow (with at least UT and Tanaka being involved in the same plan) but I’ll spare you otherwise this post will never end. xD
simply it would imply that, from the moment she learnt about the twin, no matter how confused and pained she was, she didn’t choose him over our!Ciel, it’s just that she wants to save him from the sect and has to pretend to be on their side in order to do so.
TL;DR ¯_(ツ)_/¯ we can thank Yana for creating such an ambivalent character because she’s extremely interesting that way and also it’s making things extra hard for us when trying to understand what’s going on in the current arc. xDD
I know this subject can lead to controversy because some readers might want to argue that I’m reading too much into things (which is definitely a possibility) or that Yana is not good enough to imply so much through only Liz’s character though, so I’m ready to discuss the subject if anyone wants to share their thoughts. :))
omg.. You put into words something that has been bothering me as well. Elizabeth seems to be perceptive and insightful enough to at least sense the gazillion fishy things such as Ciel’s return after the cult incident, or the textbook sketchiness of Bravat.
But why does it seem like she’s a powerless hostage now?
I am in favor of your double-cross theory tbh ahjdkfdkd That this is all part of a very calculated move. That she is as ‘politically’ savvy as she is a genius with swords. hahahah but a lot of this is wishful thinking from my side asdjfsj save me
@rheaaasss I MEAN, I’M SO GLAD SOMEONE ELSE AGREES WITH THE POINT I’M TRYING TO MAKE! 😀 Thank you so much for reading ❤
You know, the other thing I noticed when you look at the arc overall is that it has been about nothing but deception until now:
initially, many readers thought the boy in ch108 and ch113 was our!Ciel but nope, turns out it was zombie!real!Ciel
then many readers and Ciel & Seb thought that the blue sect was all about researching about blood transfusion but nope, from what we saw and what Sieglinde said, they’re already way past that stage
everyone thought that UT was the mastermind for a long time because the dead is being brought back + he was shown in ch108 and ch120, while in fact there are several hints that might indicate that it’s not him this time.
everyone think that Liz’s role is apparently to be a confused damsel in distress but, well, that’s what my post above is about xD
Finally, Tanaka not being particularly surprised by real!Ciel’s return raised an alarm in most readers’ mind.
The common point between UT, Lizzie and Tanaka? They would never choose between the twins as long as they can avoid it, because both twins matter to them.
Back to Lizzie herself, as you said, she’s indeed very perceptive and she was skilled enough to hide ahugepart of her true self from both Ciel and Seb for years (Ciel being clueless is one thing, but Seb is a demon and he too was completely surprised)…
so her double-crossing the blue sect would be something she could pull off.
Last point for now but, since Frances taught Lizzie so much, I have to admit her attitude about her daughter’s disappearance in the current arc is bothering me because it feels off. I know that many readers (me included) decided to say it was plot’s convenience, but a part of me still isn’t ready to accept it.
The reason for that is simple: when you look at Frances during the Campania arc, as she was fighting against undead corpses while the ship was sinking, all she did was confirmed with Seb that he knew where Lizzie was and afterwards she just said…
which meant, to quote @akumadeenglish‘s explanation, that Frances was not worried in the slightest but rather extremely proud, because she knew Lizzie would protect Ciel at all costs.
So I have some troubles acknowledging if Frances really is clueless about her daughter’s whereabouts in the current arc, because Frances showed before that she completely trusted in her girl’s abilities and judgement. In other words, in the event that Lizzie is involved in what is “a very calculated move” (with Tanaka and UT?), to use your expression, then…
either Frances is aware of the whole thing because Lizzie consulted with her mother before “running away” (since her mom is the one who taught her everything and Lizzie’s ultimate role model in life)
or Lizzie decided not to involve her family, but Frances knows her daughter enough to realize that she must have a good reason to be on her own like that.
Anyway, sorry for rambling, it’s just that a lot seems to rests on the ambivalence of Lizzie. On the one hand, what we saw of her character so far wouldn’t make the idea of Lizzie double-crossing the blue sect so hard to believe, especially if she’s not the only one who’s trying to do so (UT, possibly). On the other hand though, the fact that she’s young and that the situation with the twin is really confusing and painful vouches for the opposite idea that she could really be completely helpless for now.
I guess we need to go back to present time before we can get any additional hint for either idea, but nonetheless, it’s been bothering me so I’m using this opportunity to let it all out. xD
Thanks again for reading and leaving your thoughts, I’m glad I’m not the only one who considered this possibility. :))
Reblogging ‘cause I haven’t spoken of Lizzie in a while since we haven’t seen her for two and a half years, without mentioning the fact the flashback most likely isn’t over, so here again is one of my fave theories for this arc while we wait for more developments.
UT, Tanaka and Liz remain wild cards as far as I’m concerned and with the info we currently have, Tanaka because of his apparent lack of surprise (?) in ch130 and UT for all the reasons @frederickabberline stated in their recap post here.
I also still think Lizzie will possibly get hurt before the arc ends, since we “randomly” found out that Wolfram has the same blood type as her in ch119. So blah blah, if she gets hurt, could be because the twin simply goes bonkers (wouldn’t be surprising -_-) or because she isn’t a faithful little sheep. Or both, which leads to the same ‘yay’ results.
I so agree, and I do want to see the double crossing theory far more than any other. And this is way more consistent with what we had seen so far with Lizzie, rather than being a pure hostage. I was iffy about it from the start, but now I’m even more convinced that she wants to save both. Because it is something that is in her character, she won’t ever abandon one for the other, but she will do her very best to save both.
Am I the only one thinking that whenever Seb says something like that, it’s because he’s aware that Tanaka’s physical condition isn’t the best ever since 4 years ago? So basically he’s never asking Tanaka anything because Tanaka needs to conserve his strength for when it could be necessary?
I mean, there is no doubt that Tanaka is freakishly strong and skilled, but I can’t help but think that it was even more the case before 4 years ago. After all, he received at least two injuries back then (one to his right side, one deep in the back), he possibly was caught in the fire that destroyed the manor too and when Ciel sees him again, he’s…
in a wheelchair and we know he doesn’t come back to the manor until after the ceremony making Ciel the official Earl Phantomhive in mid-March 1886 (which means that he needed a real recovery).
So while we still don’t know how he survived through the attack of December 14th
when no one else did
or how he got to the hospital in time, the fact he’s still capable of…
…being an absolute badass after everything that happened to him makes me think it’s only possible because he doesn’t do anything the rest of the time.
@artsy-jandi Ah, I just knew someone would say this. xD
Thanks for your input and, to be fair, I know it appears to be one possibility, however for me it doesn’t work, at least if Sensei intends to make this as realistic as possible. :3 This is what Ann saw:
And technically if Tanaka was still inside back then, he would have had 0 way to make it out alive by himself.
To explain extremely simply: fire leads to carbon monoxide as well as hydrogen cyanide being present in the air and as a result it becomes impossible to breathe or even move, which is how people die when trapped in a fire.
I can’t stress this enough, it is really a matter of minutes. Carbon monoxide binds to hemoglobin (what transports oxygen throughout the body) as well as myoglobin (similar but specific of the muscles, which is how they can move) instead of oxygen, making it impossible for the person to breathe/run away.
So that’s why Tanaka would have had no way to escape this on his own, even more so considering how he was also physically injured. And even if Ann had run inside, she would have found herself incapable of breathing/being able to run away pretty quickly, which means she would have died too.
Firemen nowadays have these extremely useful gasmasks as well as oxygen at their disposal, which is how they make it through, but this was the case of neither Tanaka nor Ann here.
But hey, obviously Sensei doesn’t have to know/respect these facts since it’s fiction. So let’s say thata very wounded Tanaka
miraculously
managed to espape the burning manor, there is also the question of whether or not Ann’s carriage would have been fast enough to take him to London’s royal hospital in time (since that’s where he was in ch62) to save his life.
Remember that Tanaka was stabbed at least twice from what we’ve seen (I am not even sure he was in any shape to move tbh), so if he somehow managed to escape the burning house by idk what miracle, it would have still proved difficult for Ann to make it in time to any hospital (especially since she would have probably also wanted to make sure about the rest of the family).
That’s why personally I don’t find the idea that Ann is the one who saved/helped Tanaka to be the most logical, sorry. :3 If Yana intends to make this as realistic as possible, then the only possibility for Tanaka’s survival (especially if he was caught in the fire) is that someone supernatural was in time to rescue and take him to the hospital. That’s just my opinion though. 🙂
Long story short, it turns out that this far in :Re, there are still fans who get confused about the timeline that we were given (I’m aware that overlapping different hints is not always easy though, so no pressure).So, due to a certain post I saw yesterday and that I can’t get out of my head, I decided to make a recap post on the subject to hopefully clear up some confusion.
(Please note that all of this is based on the assumption that the timeline I mentioned is accurate/can be trusted.)
Firstly, there is supposedly no need to wonder about the identity of the Nagaraj who’s a kakuja ghoul who went on a rampage 100 years ago or so, because…
we already know he’s the One Eyed Washuu Matsuri mentioned in ch151 and we even saw what he looked like on the same occasion.
Of course, one could argue that Matsuri is lying/doesn’t know the real truth but… (personal opinion here) it’s not really the kind of plot twists Sensei seems to work with in general?
So, without mentioning theories about a link between Uta & the One Eyed Washuu (if just because of the resemblance in ch151), while I can understand the need to imagine more complicated plot twists, I find it hard to consider that, say Itori, could be the Nagaraj of 100 years ago when we already saw who he supposedly was in ch151.
However, again considering the timeline we were given throughout :Re, since there is another OEG/OEK that started a second rebellion after the Nagaraj’s but before Eto’s, I think it’s legit to wonder about their identity because it’s bound to be addressed eventually.
I personally have 3 suspects at the moment:
Noro
Itori
and Donato
(since this post is a little late, considering the next chapter is soon, more below)
For Noro, I already explained why I thought it was a possibility along with the timeline here.
For Itori, I advanced “arguments” in different posts [x][x][x][x] but to make a really general and superficial summary (something I actually put together for @hamliet who I think love the idea of Itori being a OEG):
This is obviously not something to take super seriously (actually I made this set as some kind of joke compared to the one I had made for Uta a long time ago), but I think that with the posts I linked to above, there is at least a small basis to consider the idea.
In general the second OEG of the timeline was less addressed than the Nagaraj, because they were defeated by the newly created V and didn’t have the opportunity to go on a rampage like the One Eyed Washuu or even Kaneki himself.
So far, Kaneki mentioned them in ch121, Nishiki in ch128 and maybe Roma briefly in ch135 (when she said that she went to Cochlea after “the grand party” and Roma being 51 years old, she would have only bee, born in time for the second rebellion), but as far as I could notice that’s it, which is not a lot compared to the One Eyed Washuu/Nagaraj.
Of course, that’s not the only theory about Itori’s identity and past, another popular one being that she’s a breeder (like Rize was supposed to be), possibly already alive by the time the Nagaraj went on a rampage (@cirrocumulus-cloud made a good recap post on the subject after the latest chapter and you can read it here).
[Additional note: the ending cards of Root A episode 8, which was about Yoshimura’s backstory, were
So as always make whatever you want from that, but Eto and Kaneki are OEGs, there are theories that Uta could have a link to the One Eyed Washuu, so there might be a reason Sensei decided to make a card for Itori at the same time too]
Finally, for Donato, it gets slightly more complicated and symbolic…
…knowing that this is the biggest hint, as far as I’m concerned.
We already know thanks to Itori that the Clowns are ghouls tired of despairing, which means that it would seem legit that Donato lost more than Amon and his orphanage throughout his life, before he ended up in Cochlea for 18 years or so.
However, despite that, he’s also the suspect I am the least sure about because:
I don’t think he’s a Washuu (not that all OEGs have to be Washuus, look at Kaneki and Eto), but he’s also not Japanese, so it’s hard to see why a Russian OEG would come to Japan to launch a rebellion if he’s neither.
Not to ramble, but I also don’t think he’s such a strong ghoul. I mean, he’s definitely SS rated but I think his “cloning abilities” are possibly triggered by ghouls who were hinted they could be Washuus (and thus “their blood holds profound power”, by Kanou, ch149), namely Uta for the Clowns’ raid arc and Nico healing him in the last chapter.
best theoretical “proof” I have is that he apparently couldn’t make a clone of himself in order to escape Urie’s father and run away with Amon, which is how he ended up in Cochlea.
Nonetheless, there is also some symbolism that might vouch he’s still a likely candidate for the second OEG of the timeline, but since this isn’t really something I’m good at, I’ll let @linkspooky explain! :3
Assuming Editor-san’s line is actually relevant this time, I’m just super excited about the prospect of knowing more for different reasons.
First of all, the one who founded the Clowns was Roma, but she also said that…
…the others might not know it was her. Whether she meant Itori, Uta, Nico, Donato and Furuta or small fries who joined the gang, that’s not certain. As a side note, the “grand party” she’s talking about might be referring to the conflict between the second OEG of the timeline and V, since we know Roma ended up being defeated by Tsuneyoshi in his youth.
Anyway, if the others really don’t know Roma was the founder though, then it may mean that…
the reason they all ended up joining is not necessarily closely related to Roma’s own reasons for founding the gang (which mainly was fearing getting bored), which is logical if Roma actually was the youngest out of them all (not counting Furuta) and even if Itori’s description of the Clowns does encompass Roma too.
Secondly, in the new chapter, Donato said this…
… just before Itori rambled about their group while watching Yomo and Uta fight, and precisely as Kaneki was meeting with Furuta.
In other words, it’s a perfect lineup to understand what’s exactly linking all of the remaining Clowns and why they finally decided to step forward onto the stage after (what was implied to be) so many years of staying in the background and pretending to be the audience.
In fact, we even got a little hint a while ago that the Clowns had some sort of leading figure who had a plan about Kaneki, thanks to Uta:
And while I’m aware that Uta is a real troll and taking him seriously shouldn’t happen, at the same time, it still makes sense for Uta to have been talking about Furuta in ch31.5.
After all, the Clowns are currently playing for time for Furuta, they helped him overthrow the main Washuu family, they followed his directions during the Clowns’ raid arc, etc, and besides, Roma also said this in ch135:
…which is a direct throwback to the current arc, since Furuta purposely recreated a situation (using Kaneki amongst others) that paralleled what had happened with the Nagaraj 100 years ago because he seemed to have been seeking the same results.
In other words, either the “raison d’être” of the Clowns is directly linked to Furuta’s goal of “super peace” or, more simply, Furuta offered them a way to “keep cracking jokes on stage so that they wouldn’t go crazy”, which is why they’re helping him.
Sorry to bring up the subject once again, but I was thinking about OEGs…
…and since there is a good chance that there might be one of the two OEGs of the timeline amongst the Clowns (if not the two of them), I wonder if Furuta also didn’t approach the Clowns precisely because he knew that.
I mean, when you consider Itori’s description of the Clowns to be “to keep cracking jokes on stage so that they don’t go crazy” with what Uta said about “never having heard any happy stories about OEGs” (hence probably why he said he’d rather not have TG ending as a tragedy), maybe this is related.
I’m not saying that all the Clowns are OEGs, at most only two of them can be, but if the Clowns all previously had a purpose in life linked to one of the two OEGs before Eto, then that could explain why Itori said that they’re “ghouls tired of despairing”. After all…
so far all the OEGs lost against the world.
Donato even said to Urie that “the Clowns love famous people [like Kaneki]”, when Itori also referred to Kaneki as famous in ch34, so it could be yet another hint that all the Clowns were involved in past rebellions (”famous people” = the OEGs leading rebellions, like Kaneki)…
…but these brought no change as we already know, which makes Kaneki the last hope of the century (and an on-going debate between the Clowns, since some are rooting for him and others prefer when he’s despairing).
TL;DR Again I really don’t think the Clowns care to see what results Furuta’s “super peace” will bring (rather that’s V, since they’re always very serious about “peace”).
However, if they’re all old ghouls who got involved in at least one of the two previous ghoul rebellions, only to end up tired of despairing because no OEG ever succeeded so far in changing the world, then maybe this could explain why they took Furuta’s opportunity to crack jokes on stage for yet another rebellion:
because it is their way “to avoid going crazy”
but also maybe because of what Itori said in ch148 about “watching till the end”/”making sure” for “your king’s sake”.
this, though. This is so important, because it’s so true. I don’t know exactly how long our!Ciel managed to “remain” his twin and live this life allegedly only for his sake, but it’s been a while now that “Earl Ciel Phantomhive” became way more about him than his brother.
The proof is:
the difference between ch137
and ch95, which is almost 4 years after real!Ciel’s death.
That’s why I still think that we will never learn his real identity because…
he really did become Ciel Phantomhive overtime and it’s not even just a throwback to survivor’s guilt that started it all. After all, it’s impossible to make your real self disappear and pretend to be someone you’re not, so, that’s why the current “Earl Ciel Phantomhive” stopped being about his brother to become about him instead.
…This flashback is really setting up a confrontation between the two brothers, isn’t it?
It’s a way to show us that the Ciel of 4 years ago who agreed to the contract after thinking his older brother sacrificed himself for him did become a different person after 4 years (when the twin most likely didn’t).
Reblogging ‘cause I got a few questions and so I just want to precise that personally I really think that Ciel didn’t become his brother. He definitely tried since it was a decision motivated by survivor’s guilt, which is what he was telling Seb in the new chapter, but where we are four years later it’s obvious that it didn’t happen in my opinion.
That doesn’t mean he solved any part of his trauma that triggered his decision to become “Ciel Phantomhive” (like survivor’s guilt), not when you see the GW arc for example, but rather that unconsciously he didn’t succeed in erasing himself to become his brother.
You can see that it’s hinted in his change of speech in ch95 as I pointed out above, but also on small details like…
since it was implied more than once that our!Ciel was possibly more selfless/kinder than his brother (in ch132, and you have other examples here). The Funtom corporation, his asthma, or the fact chocolate cake still is his favorite are other little hints in my opinion.
So…
the fact the twins were presented to mirror each other, despite being different otherwise, is particularly interesting in this particular case of symbolism, because right now, we’ve got two “Ciel Phantomhive”s:
the real/original one (the twin) who died 4 years ago,
and the fake one (our!Ciel) who tried to become his brother but failed and thus made “Earl Ciel Phantomhive” according to his own image => “the lie eventually became the truth” (or will, if our!Ciel reaffirms once more that it is his one and only identity).
That’s why I really think that a confrontation is coming: all that happened to our!Ciel until now made him grow into his own person, who’s neither the brother real!Ciel possibly expects nor the boy our!Ciel himself tried to impersonate.
…that no one managed to dig the legendary OEG out of his kakuja, 100 years ago?
Does this mean that the body and kakuhou from which that huge kakuja originated is still somewhere inside? As in…
there is a very old person inside that thing???
Bringing that back, because when Kaneki was freed…
Meanwhile, for the Nagaraj 100 years ago, they had to stop him through breaking his eyeballs, which resulted in…
…which would explain why we can still see the huge kakuja down in the 24th ward, because there is a chance no one managed to rescue this guy:
Moving on to Uta, since I really think we’re going to be targeting his backstory and the rest of the Clowns’ in the next chapters (and he has idk how many foreshadowing hints of having a link to ^ this dude), I think everyone noticed this:
Which is that in the new chapter, his tattoos literally expanded to cover his kagune (?) and which is surprising to say the least, that is of course,unless Uta is something like a kagune/kakuja clone of the One Eyed Washuu and his whole body turns out to have the properties of a kagune/kakuja:
It’s always been one of the possibilities for Uta’s identity after all [x][x] and it would be one door to explain many things, such as:
Noro himself, who could have been a kagune/kakuja clone of Eto’s foster parent Noroi (killed by V, according to Eto)
why Uta told Yomo he doesn’t know why he’s so strong in his flashback and why he looked so young despite knowing Roma, Donato, etc, who got sent to jail way before Yomo came to the 4th ward
why Uta used a piercing to make his clones when Donato used a finger (ch116): if Uta’s whole appearance has kagune/kakuja properties because himself is a clone, then he could make yet another clone of himself through his piercings.
maybe even those kids Ayato found in the 24th ward (? I mean they look very similar to each other aside from the hair and you gotta wonder where their parents or everyone else were)
Imma stop there, but it’s just to say that, personally, this chapter kinda tilted the balance towards Uta being a kagune/kakuja clone instead of the One Eyed Washuu in the flesh, because Sensei foreshadowed that link for such a long time that there is most likely a trick to it.
More answers on Monday, hopefully, or for the chapter after the next!
GUYS I’M SO MOVED, seriously I wanted this insight for years, because the veil has finally lifted and the truth came out!!
All the times we heard the Clowns talking about their group, it was always…
…as them pretending to be the audience, as if they were pulling the strings or observing the show rather than having any role on stage, but Itori literally dropped the mask and admitted otherwise.
They always belonged in that big play that is TG, just like everyone else. Obviously they would, since they all agree that it’s boring and lonely to remain on the side, it’s just that since it’s hard for them to find warmth along with the rest of the cast, they’d rather act as if they were the audience in the first place.
As for the “Clowns’ raison d’être” line for next week if Editor-san wasn’t pranked by Sensei, I’m 100% convinced that this has to do with what happened 100 years ago (or with the second OEG of the timeline & V), because Roma made a similar allusion just before dying…
So whatever the reason is that Itori said that she’s seen and heard too much to forget that this world would never accept them (implying she’s indeed an “old lady”), it’s probably leading us back to what started it all:
And actually it’s super funny when you consider how the chapter literally ended up with Uta going kakuja on us, I mean, it’s not like there aren’t some mysteries around his character at all.
The death scythe can slice right through dimensions
I was looking through ch10 to answer someone and I stumbled upon this, which I had completely forgotten. So actually, I’d love to know more about that in the plot since it was addressed only once????? Because I bet it could
maybe
answer some of our questions…
Is that why Shinigamis have this odd relation to time and belongings from our time era when the timeline covers the 19th century? Or why they can teleport?
Sensei, answers soon please~~!
BTW, I guess that could explain this?
Which is to say, why UT can make his scythe appear rather randomly whenever he needs it, if death scythes aren’t even bound by dimensions.
(possible) demons and their favorite species of animals tho’ (maybe they can feel their true nature)…
@justacynicalromantic : An excellent remark! You’ll note that I wrote it was only a possibility though, but yeah otherwise it’s precisely why I used to think that Brown was most likely a Shinigami until last month, because their eyes are very typical, unlike Seb who can hide his demon eyes most of the time (that is, unless he’s using his demon powers). 🙂
However, the issue here is that I doubt Shinigamis can “make human believe someone dead is alive” the way demons apparently can, at least according to Seb in ch138 and considering Victoria’s reaction anytime Brown takes out that puppet, which is why I now think Brown being a demon is more likely than him being a Shinigami.
So to solve the glasses issue, for example if Brown is constantly using his demon powers (considering the number of times Victoria can break down about Albert and needs the puppet), maybe it’s why he needs to be hiding his eyes. In comparison, Seb rarely ever uses his demon powers for his everyday tasks as a butler, which is probably why he doesn’t bother/need hiding his.
EDIT: crack idea as another explanation but, since for now I believe the Queen to be the big bad and Brown the guy who attacked the manor on December 14th, maybe something
else
happened that night (remember, we still don’t know how and why the fire started, how Tanaka managed to escape and survive, etc) which scarred Brown and he now needs glasses to cover it because (for one reason or another) he can’t heal.
Keep in mind that I am not 100% convinced Brown is a demon, it’s just that the last chapter seemed to have tilted the balance more in favor of this possibility that the Shinigami one, in my opinion. 🙂 I hope it answers your question!
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