A follow up to my post about why I don’t think that Goro is the twins’ father, despite the fact he was confirmed to be Satan’s very first human host.

Anyway, ch103 is really interesting as a focus on Yuri (16 years old) and Shiro’s (22 years old) dynamic, because we found out it gradually got better over time. I’m now looking forward to how they managed from “awkward confession” (29 years ago) to Yuri still casually flirting with him, like when he brought Shura to her (18 years ago). And if Shiro ever caved, of course.

What’s even more interesting though is that, despite that we already knew “rinka” had a special attachment to Yuri, it’s to the point that now it seems to sense whenever she’s not okay, be it physically (protecting her from Shiro’s wrath) or emotionally (after Shiro rejected her).

And actually I thought maybe that’s why eventually it ended up becoming Satan through possessing a human (Goro) and developing an ego?

Because maybe initially lil “rinka” just wanted to cheer Yuri up, it’s just that developing an ego through possessing a human made him, well, the horrible demon God we met a few times.

Just like Mephisto explained for the rest of them Baals.

Honestly, I think Goro being possessed (the cliffhanger of ch103) was around 29 years ago and, besides a probably huge boom inside Section 13, nothing else happened with him, Satan, or Yuri back then.

My evidence of this is Arthur because he was already born and probably a teenager when the Blue Night happened:

and also in general the Blue Night matches with the twins’ birth 16 years ago:

because that’s when Suguro Tatsuma’s dad, Shima Takezou and Konekomaru’s father all died.

So we know that the Blue Night started in Asylum, probably because that’s where Yuri was taken during her pregnancy, and that Satan killed a lot of people when the twins were born, trying to get his own durable vessel, until Mephy promised him he’d give him Rin once Rin would be old and good enough.

Moving on, I still think that Shiro is possibly the twins’ biological dad, even if how/when while including Satan in the equation is a bit hard to figure out entirely for now (and assuming of course that the Order is not wrong about who hosted Satan between Yuri and the dad). xD

Clearly though, Yuri never stopped loving him and, if Shura was so jealous of Yuri for years, it could be that even as a kid she noticed that Shiro was obviously taken by her too.

Doesn’t mean Shiro ever caved, of course, but I find interesting that he was still a very cold guy when he just got Shura (18 years ago) and yet with Tatsuma…

he seemed less aggressive, more helpful and similar to the man we met as Rin’s foster dad (16/17 years ago). Mentioning this moment btw, I doubt Shiro knew back then whose kid he was supposed to kill with that sword.

Finally, there is Mephisto’s constant warning about the flashback ending “in tragedy”, but Rin already knows that, having never met his mother? So why would Mephy warn him several times? Because something will happen between Shiro & Yuri and Rin should keep in mind that it will end badly anyway?

I don’t know for sure, but for now it does seem like Yuri wouldn’t have minded having a family with Shiro, if ch89 is an indication of anything.

And if Shiro caved at some point (maybe taking care of Shura, a kid, made him realize some stuff, idk), that could explain why he seems genuinely different and less cold when he met Suguro Tatsuma.

Last thing: if Shiro is the twins’ dad, the question is did he ever know? There are plenty of reasons he would not have been able to kill Yuri’s sons, the fact he loved her being the most prominent, but whether he knew or not…

I’m guessing the favor he owed Mephisto, should he yield to a demon (baby demon Rin or possessed-by-Satan!Yuri?), would have forced him to raise the twins as “weapons for the Order” anyway.

What I mean is, if Shiro didn’t know, then Mephisto just had to ask him to raise the twins and then the rest is history. However, if Shiro knew he was the biological dad to Satan’s sons, Mephisto could have forbidden him from ever telling them as a part of that favor.

Because clearly Mephisto is the one who allowed the twins’ existence. It means that whether Shiro wanted to raise them from the beginning or was forced to, he had to obey Mephisto on some stuff no matter what (especially since we don’t know what conditions his Morinas’ contract could have been updated with).

I like Shiro raising the twins out of love for Yuri, it’s really beautiful, but I also like the twist that he might really be their biological dad because, be it for Rin…

or Yukio…

that possible truth is going to be very hard to swallow.

Sorry for the long post, I just can’t wait to find out. 😀

kjaznbrkeak so listen I just… T_T so much about this scene from ch171, because it’s not the first time Sugimoto hallucinates about someone who isn’t there (what I mean is that it’s not his head injury).

It happened in vol2 as well:

…and I can’t count how many times he dreamt of Toraji, even if he never directly hallucinated about him being present.

Anyway, I find this little parallel rather interesting when Sugimoto has “two girls in his life”: one is Asirpa, his partner, and the second is the woman he’s in love with, Umeko.

The story started as he decided to find money in order to take Umeko to America so that she’d see again, because…

of what Toraji said before dying (~~very haunting, thanks~~).

Along the way though, slowly the gold became less of the big priority it was at the beginning, because of the strong partnership between Sugimoto and Asirpa. Like, I remember how shocked I was when I first read this part…

…because yes, Saichi, the gold for Umeko, remember?

And sure, he does remember, of course Umeko is still extremely important to him, but…

…it’s interesting how his way to express this goal changed over time…

because Umeko is no longer the only priority.

I don’t mean by this that Sugimoto loves her any less or that he’s fancying Asirpa, not at all, but it’s just that…

for now he’s convinced that he can’t go back to Umeko because of all the blood on his hands and how war changed him too much.

That’s why finding that gold to make her see again was super important to him because, besides the fact that he’s worried by what Toraji said and he wants Ume to be able to see her kid growing up, it was also his only way to go back to a place he could call home (”would you recognize me?”).

It’s literally the dried persimmon talk with Asirpa:

…after which he started crying: Sugimoto wants to go home, he wants to go back to Ume, but for now he can’t because war changed him too much and he hates what he became.

That’s where Asirpa is different from Umeko and why caring about her + protecting her became an equal priority to finding that gold for Ume, because Asirpa…

…is currently the one light in Sugimoto’s path through deep self-loathing.

Maybe it’s because she didn’t know him before the war, or because “the Immortal Sugimoto” for her is unrelated to his past in the army. For Asirpa, he’s just her partner, who eats & hunts with her and who said he’d remain by her side until she could figure out the insane situation surrounding her father.

He’s a nice guy who wouldn’t leave her behind and use her like almost everyone else is trying to do, but he believes he fucked up during the Abashiri arc when he let Kiroranke and Ogata take her away from him.
That’s why he can’t forgive himself, to the point he hallucinated that she was the one in danger in the newest chapter (except that this time he could save her).

War fucked up Sugimoto so much, just like it fucked up many others in the story, to the point that he hates himself for being so strong and yet not being able to protect the people he cares about the most.

This is why he dreams of Toraji and why he hallucinated about Asirpa and Umeko.

He feels guilty about Toraji because he couldn’t save his friend.
He’s worried about Ume being considered useless and thrown away as a blind widow with a kid.
He hates that he couldn’t protect Asirpa in Abashiri.

And I’m…. SO DAMN EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS. He lived through so much already because of war, why did he have to also get PTSD from Abashiri? ;_;

So I need someone to tell this man that it’s okay, that he did what he could and that no one is holding any of that shit against him (also mostly because he was totally shot in the head at Abashiri and he did a great job surviving through that).

I know we’re getting there, that’s the whole narrative, and that he’s going to need both Asirpa and Umeko to feel better about himself, but damn, I have so many feelings right now. ://

[Side note about Asirpa below]

I also want to point out that Sugimoto is not the only guy who made Asirpa an utmost priority in his life:

Tanigaki: Left Inkarmat, the woman he loved, behind as well to bring Asirpa back to Huci.
Kiroranke: Same, he left his wife and sons behind, but his intentions towards Asirpa aren’t as noble as Tanigaki or Sugimoto.
Ogata: is most likely going to reach that point as well, hopefully shedding once and for all that traitor coat because Asirpa will become more important than whatever his goal about the gold is
Shiraishi: gave up on an occasion to save his skin because watching over Asirpa being with Kiro and Ogata was more important
Tsurumi & Hijikata want Asirpa too, but only because of the gold.

So, since it’s a pattern, it’s also logical that Asirpa became as much of a priority as Ume over time for Sugimoto (when he’s been with her the longest), and him hallucinating about the two girls is because he cares so much and also hates himself so much, thinking he failed them.

As for everyone else who actually cares about Asirpa, it’s not that she’s a literal Jesus (like Sensei depicted it that one time) who’s supposed to bring them salvation; rather it’s that she’s a freaking kid with absolutely horrible circumstances…

~~…and anyone who only wants to use her is a real dick. There I said it, Kiro.~~

pretty sure the Undertaker used to be a nobleman/aristocrat

Either before he became a Shinigami, or between deserting the Shinigamis and becoming “the Undertaker” (so sometimes during the last 50 years).

Because who else besides nobles go hunting?

And how would he have known how to fit in perfectly with high society if he never was one of them?

Also who else wears rings similar to his?

An anon even mentioned to me once that the fact he wears his ring on his index finger was most likely because his ring was a status symbol of some specificity (which would be why another noble like Vincent also wore his on the same finger).

Wouldn’t be impossible that I forgot more hints, so feel free to add them. :))

midnight-in-town:

Sorry if someone already made a post on the subject, but I was thinking about the last chapters’ title and, considering that Rin is currently having a journey throughout the past and that Mephy is the one guiding him through it, it’d make sense to consider that the numbers in the titles are referring to Time.

The question now is whether this possible time unit refers to the past itself or to the present/current timeline from ch99.

First idea is that it could be referring to the past, because as seen in ch101

and ch102

the number of years seem to match the first number of the titles.

In that case, then I guess the other two numbers of the title can only be referring to weeks (because a year = 365 days or 12 months or 52 weeks), meaning that, for example, the title of ch102 would be “5 years and 35 weeks” from when the flashback started for Rin.

Besides, the titles referring to the time quickly passing by for Rin’s journey would also make sense since Mephy is only showing him the pieces of the past he needs to understand what Mephy wants him to understand.

If not the past though, then the second possibility is that the titles are rather referring to the time passing by in the present/current timeline (the one we left in ch99) while Rin is away.

For example, by the time Rin got to the past in ch100, either 40 minutes or 40 seconds had passed in the present for Shiemi, Izumo, Shura, Yukio, Suguro and co. Similarly, while Rin was witnessing the events of ch101, either 4 hours and 36 minutes or 4 minutes and 36 seconds had passed in the present Rin is from (and same idea for ch102).

This possibility would also make sense because Rin left the present in a real moment of crisis. To quote Neuhaus, even Mephy who is king of time shouldn’t be lazing around despite having just been shot in the head.

So having Rin leaving for some time (and going to the past), no one besides Mephy knowing where he is, before he’s to reappear later in the present timeline (probably at even more crucial moment) could be a part of Mephy’s complex plan too, we never know.

Just some musings. We’ll see if either possibility will still work with future chapters, but keep in mind it could be something else entirely. Time is bound to be a complicated matter with Mephisto. x)

So I came to the conclusion that the titles are definitely about the timeline of the Rin’s journey through the past:

Because we started the flashback “40 years ago” and…

40 years ago – 29 years ago = 11 years ever since the beginning of the flashback.

And it’s actually interesting to notice that the two sets of number for all the titles so far are relating to “40 years ago”!

ch100= 40-0=40 => 0:40
ch101: 40-4=36 => 4:36
ch102: 40-5=35 => 5:35
ch103: 40-11=29 => 11:29

Working well so far, Sensei.

I suppose the flashback will end when the counter reaches 40:0 or something. In that case, it could mean that Rin’s journey through the past will go further than just the blue night and Yuri’s death.

EDIT: For ch104: 40-20=20 => 20:20

Nine years between ch103-104 => 29-9=20

I just had the most insane thought

~~And I share because I’m aware we enjoy those in the fandom. xD~~

So you know how…

But what if it was meant literally? Not death as a familiar behind a Morinas contract, but rather the whole concept of death as being kin of Time in Assiah/Gehenna?

Wouldn’t that mean that…

in a way Mephisto could actually bring the dead back?
You know, just like how he’s able to split some time axes from the original timeline, like he did for Neuhaus and Section 13? Or how his vessel dies slowly because he stops time for himself?

Speaking of Neuhaus, remember how in s1 of the anime he ended up working on a way to bring his wife back from the dead? Meanwhile in the manga he…

just finished

whatever he was working on in that frozen Section 13 time axis????

So what if Mephisto gave Neuhaus a way to work on bringing the dead back, using a part of his own knowledge related to death being a kin of his? And what if Neuhaus is working for him because he can use this to bring his wife back just like in s1 or something, while Mephisto intends on bringing back someone else?

Because, you know who died way early on and who’s at the heart of the story in a way?

And obviously Shiro dying at the beginning was narratively logical because it’s what triggered the whole story, with the Okumura twins being at the mercy of both the Order and Illuminati without him to shield them.

Doesn’t mean it has to stay that way ‘till the end of the story though, especially since…

So I really wonder about a possible resurrection for Shiro slightly later when war starts, also mostly because we’re kinda missing someone powerful in the story…

And Shiro was a clone created from Azazel, specifically for the purpose of giving the Baals new vessels. However, after the blue night that started within Asylum, Section 13 was shut down and Shiro & Arthur are probably the only two clones who are still alive (assuming Arthur is indeed one of Lucifer’s clones).

And I know, maybe Azazel is really a nice demon king who doesn’t want to seek a new vessel because he’s fine staying in cristallized form.
But the thing is, we have Shiemi who’s most likely linked to Shemihaza and we don’t know yet if she’s just a nephilim, or if she’s (going to be) Shemihaza’s vessel/host (clearly the plot is giving suspicious vibes about this part).

So let’s just assume for the sake of this crazy theory that Shemihaza might be coming back through Shiemi because…

…the Order needs to be at its strongest to face Illuminati…

…because Illuminati has most of the Baals on its side. Well, in that case, what if, on top of Shemihaza, Armumahel and Azazel are coming back too?

I already proposed an idea for Armumahel’s nephilim or host a while ago, so now I’m proposing undead!Shiro as Azazel’s vessel: Shiro was a clone meant to be possessed by a Baal after all and, even if Azazel isn’t Lucifer or Satan, he’ll still need a strong vessel to withhold him as long as it’s necessary.

Of course Shiro could also be brought back from the dead for reasons unrelated to Azazel but because Mephisto has another plan about him and the twins.

Just like a less crazy version of this theory is simply

that, whatever Neuhaus was working on, it’s a way to give a vessel to Azazel, because Mephisto needs the Order’s Top Three back for the big war starting, just like he probably used Shiemi to chain Amaimon (who was neutral) to the Order’s side.

TL;DR in the Order vs Illuminati war coming up, I propose this lign-up:

Mephisto VS Lucifer
Shemihaza (Shiemi?), Armumahel (Takara?), Azazel (undead!Shiro?), Amaimon VS Egyn (shark suit?), Iblis (unknown), Astaroth (unknown)
Exorcists of the Order VS the Chosen Ones (demon eaters like Toudou, etc) + others
Rin (Satan’s desired vessel) VS Yukio (kinda hosting Satan in his left eye)

Y’all are fired up about this arc I hope, because I know I sure am! 😀

Also Abel Franken, the previous Paladin? Most likely a Samael clone (the German name being a strong hint of this), which is probably why Rin has the feeling he’s seen him somewhere before and Mephy is here like “:D” .

It seems all Paladins are taken amongst the few test subjects from Section 13 who make it Exwire and then Exorcist anyway.

Abel Franken => possibly one of Samael’s clones
Fujimoto Shiro => one of Azazel’s clones
Arthur August Angel => possibly one of Lucifer’s clones, thanks to Mephisto saying he was from Asylum too and to this

And the reason for that is probably because they’re under a Morinas’ contract related to Section 13 already, which makes it easier to moderate the information that’s passed around within the highest members of the Order (the Grigoris, the Paladin, Mephisto and some of the Arc Knights).

That and they’re strong (since they were cloned from the top 3 Baals), so they’re useful.

Angel is actually the only exception since he apparently lost his memories after the Blue Night (I’m highly suspicious of this, but we shall see)

which makes him the only Paladin that’s mostly unaware of many stuff going on within the Order, compared to Shiro or probably even Abel Franken.

But anyway, all that to say that Abel Franken = Samael’s clone. I wonder how awkward it must have been for him to interact with Mephisto LMAO.

What UT could be after

midnight-in-town:

Basically I think that one possibility for this arc, as far as our!Ciel is concerned, is that UT (with real!Ciel) is trying to get rid of the two dangers constantly lurking around our!Ciel.

You heard the man, he doesn’t want to lose more Phantomhives

and that definitely includes our!Ciel (he even said that he made no difference between the twins, in ch131).

To protect our!Ciel tho’, he gotta eliminate the Watchdog duty that’s like a collar Ciel will hang himself with at some point:

and that’s where the dead twin (and first heir) getting his title back could be useful since he’s already dead. So even if Victoria gets to him (since personally I think she’s the big bad), no can end like Vincent and Claudia.

The second danger is Seb

and that could be why Bravat (who was most likely speaking for UT) literally said he could offer help in dealing with Seb during his fortune telling.

Maybe that’s even what the whole framing thing is supposed to lead to. Somehow.

So I don’t know for sure, but it seems UT hasn’t lost his mind and still hasn’t reached his goal, as himself told Othello

and I think that is true, just like Sensei implying that he’s actually not a villain after ch131 came out.

Obviously the whole scheme is super complex, but if UT is after besting the Queen and a hungry demon in one go for our!Ciel’s sake, then he has to have no limit, including using people like Bravat who had a sad life or the S4 and then throwing them away.

~~I made a separate post, but then I figured it was better to add it to the first post I did on the subject, sorry for the double post~~

About our!Ciel being framed

TBH, the thing that is bothering me with the “let’s frame my bro” conspiracy is that no one is wondering about why exactly our!Ciel would go as far as to kill citizens to get their blood.

Like ??? what would be his goal in doing that as Lord Sirius/the blue star/the sect’s mastermind? Especially since real!Ciel is the one who was saying “oh I was in a very bad shape until recently” in front of everyone in ch143.

So I don’t want to call this a plot hole yet, because clearly it’s not the only part that’s not holding on (as far as characters like Ed could obviously notice), but maybe the whole framing plan is mainly working out because revealing that our!Ciel was lying for the past 4 years is increasing the doubts and confusion of the witnesses.

…Actually, since it’s definitely not an accusation that’s holding out so well, maybe the true goal is not even to frame Ciel himself. For example, UT could go next with…

“oh but Queen Victoria is the one who asked her Watchdog to create such an operation, because she’s preparing for war and wanted to experiment about blood transfusions :)))))” or an equivalent.

Because that would suddenly become very bad publicity for Victoria (killing her own people o.m.g + have you seen all the many witnesses that are just in time to hear about this), whom coincidentally UT doesn’t like at all…

Add that to the murders of the Parliamentarians (ch125) that Ciel could be accused of as well and…

…it could be one more argument that she asked her Watchdog to get them out of the way because they were getting in the way of her war plans.

Besides, that’s how Abberline was introduced to the Watchdog duty (ch15):

…so even he (who seems to be believing in our!Ciel right now) could start thinking that he was played for a fool, all for the Queen’s profit, if that’s the explanation he receives.

Ciel does work for Victoria after all and that’s something Abberline, Alexis and Edward all definitely know.

Never mind me rambling, but guys, I still can’t believe UT would simply want our!Ciel framed so that, with him out of the way, the title can go back to “the rightful heir”. That seems illogical when UT despises the Watchdog duty and said he didn’t wan’t to lose more Phantomhives.

TL;DR Ciel is not necessarily the one who’s really being framed here, if just because the accusation hardly stands if someone starts wondering about why he was after all that blood in the first place.

Meanwhile, UT has two enemies: Victoria and Seb. So maybe the whole point is to get to one of them (or both) by eventually pinning this whole case on them with our!Ciel being considered merely a pawn?

Helllo <3 love your blogg, actually is one of my favorites. I was thinking in the recent development of the Blue Sect Arc and after scotland yard got mix up i wonder.. how the plot will moved forward, i mean i dont get the point of the threat of jail for OCiel :/ Yes of course he needs in one point reveal that all was a lie but i feel its been to rushed. idk i would like to hear your thoughts ! And what would you think will happen next.

midnight-in-town:

Hi Anon and aww, thank you very much! ❤

To answer you, personally no I don’t feel that this is rushed at all. In fact I’d say the pace is rather slow (I mean the twin was introduced in the 26th volume) and I had expected our!Ciel to be framed for a while now.

As for what’s the point, it’s a chess game and UT & real!Ciel are the ones who initiated it from the moment they revealed themselves to Ciel. I agree they’re not the simplest characters to understand though, but I theorized about what they could be after here and here respectively! 🙂

Overall, I think the most important to keep in mind about this arc and the latest developments is that our!Ciel is supposed to be confronting all that he never did until now (in order to gain character development), which is something mainly illustrated by the return of his undead brother.

Rewinding the story

back

a little, try to remember why Ciel took on his brother’s identity in the first place and maybe it will make more sense. From the moment his bro died, our!Ciel became Vincent’s successor and the next Earl Phantomhive, so he had no real need to take his brother’s identity.

The reason he did it anyway is because…

he felt extremely guilty about not being the twin who died. It’s a condition called survivor’s guilt, because of the trauma induced by the horrible experience he lived through.

As such, he hates himself for having survived, even more after Seb made him believe that he had willingly sacrificed his brother’s soul into summoning him (which isn’t true, he never wanted any of this, it was an accident)…

and it’s all of this that led to his decision to take on his brother’s identity: because he wanted to make it as if real!Ciel was the one who had survived, both for himself and for what was left of his family (because

he saw himself as inferior to his twin brother and guilty, so he didn’t want to disappoint them).

This led onto the contract with Seb itself and -this is what may interest you about the latest development of the current arc- onto the fact that Ciel is looking at the contract as his own punishment for not having died instead of his brother:

And this, this mentality right here -that he is guilty and that Seb eating his soul will be his punishment for not having died instead of his brother- is what I believe needs to change for our!Ciel.

Hence the current arc and this face-off between brothers because, if there is any time when Ciel can reflect about his brother’s death from 4 years ago, especially when Lizzie and Soma (who are the closest to him) are also involved, it’s now with the current arc.

Basically, what I’d personally love to get from this arc is for our!Ciel to finally realize that people are happy he’s the one who came back (Lizzie, Ed), that they are happy to have met him during these 4 years (Soma, Sieglinde) and that’s he’s certainly not worthless compared to his brother.

Because, if our!Ciel gets this kind of positive development about himself, then later he may end up starting to question whether or not the terms of the contract are still something he agrees to.

And personally I’d love to see this type of conflict eventually happening between Seb and Ciel, because it’s just way more interesting narratively speaking than their highly functioning duo that exists ever since vol1, especially if Seb is truly supposed to be Kuroshitsuji’s main character (because main characters need to be challenged and to develop, be it in a good or bad way).

There you go Anon! I hope this makes sense? Honestly ever since this…

I’ve been waiting for a build up to an eventual conflict about the contract between Seb and Ciel. If it happens it will be way later though, if just because Ciel needs to get a better view of himself first if he’s to ever reflect back on the covenant he made with his butler.

That’s why Ciel having to confront what he decided 4 years ago and most of his behavior towards people who care about him is important right now. For me that’s mostly what the current arc is all about, with possibly some answers about the Phantomhive family and UT’s personal issues with them.

Sorry for rambling, as with everything it’s just my take on the subject but I hope this wasn’t too hard to understand. Thank you again for the kind words and have a lovely day ahead Anon! :3

Sorry for the delay, Anon! Basically your explanation is above: I tend to see it as a matter of dynamic progression & character development.

The story started with a highly efficient duo between our!Ciel and Seb, so addressing underlying issues that will at some point possibly be too many not to be considered is very relevant, narratively speaking.

+ As I said, if Seb is the main character, then he should be bothered a little, hm? So far, Ciel was pretty lenient about becoming his dinner (since a deal is a deal), so the biggest hurdle for Seb would be for his master to change on that fact.

Seb said it, he enjoys this game and doesn’t want to have to retort to acting like the beast he is by nature and yet…

isn’t that precisely what he did when Ciel wouldn’t snap out of PTSD? So, like, a few hours before he said “I don’t want to act like a beast”?

So, look Anon, all I’m saying is that stagnation is never good when it comes to storytelling. 🙂

It took 27 volumes, but Ciel is on the verge of confronting what happened 4 years ago with his brother and the consequences of his choices back then.
I don’t see why he wouldn’t eventually do the same about the contract, should he get enough positive development to stop seeing the contract as “a punishment he deserves”.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe in a happy ending for Ciel, but that doesn’t mean that Seb should never have to worry about being able to eat at the end. For now, UT is mostly the person who’s making him fear this…

…but one day I’m hoping our!Ciel himself will make Seb worry.

No one has to agree on this obviously, but that’s how I see their duo’s evolution. I hope it answers your question, have a nice weekend Anon!

I’m curious, why do you think Amaimon is going to be play oart of Shiemis’s arc? For me, it seemed that Amaimon might hurt Shiemi somehow, considering that he seemed shocked how Shiemi’s powers and angry to Mephisto? .__. I would think that Rin was a bigger character in her story, along with her classmates. Anyway sorry about my english ^^;; I hope I managed to explain myself

Hi Anon, no worries your English is great! And actually I already explained here.

To make this simple: Amaimon is neutral in the big Order vs Illuminati conflict, he’s just helping Mephisto with some stuff because he owes him (most likely because of his current vessel)…

…but he doesn’t care about whose side ends up winning.

Meanwhile, this is his reaction to Shiemi:

and to Mephisto once he confronted him about finally realizing about Shiemi’s powers:

So Amaimon’s anger in the scene above is not related to Shiemi but to Mephisto: he’s mad that Mephisto didn’t tell him sooner about Shiemi + he’s most likely also mad about the fact that Mephisto definitely intends on making him choose a side in this conflict (”you have little free time left”), despite the fact that Amaimon considers himself neutral.

And what conclusion does this lead you to? Amaimon wanted to stay neutral but now that he has realized about Shiemi’s powers, he knows that he won’t be able to just be an observer => so whoever Shiemi is, she’s basically the chain now locking Amaimon on the Order’s side.

I’m pretty sure you’re aware of all the theories about Shiemi and Shemihaza and it’s actually not very surprising to imagine a link between them and Amaimon who’s the King of Earth, especially when Shemihaza’s symbol is…

and Shiemi used to mention something called “the Garden of Amahara”.

Both Shemihaza and Amaimon come from Gehenna, we don’t know what kind of link they might have, but it could be that they’re pals or linked in some ways.
And if that’s the case, then Shiemi being related to Shemihaza (being their host or nephilim) would mean that Amaimon’d have to keep an eye on her (either because that’s important to him or because he has no choice in the matter).

So I really don’t think Amaimon is in to hurt Shiemi: he already kicked her during the fight against Yukio & Satan, so we know he should give 0 care and yet now he’s angry after realizing who she is. To me that implies he’s clearly going to (have to) change his way of behaving towards her, whatever the reason is.

Also, I have to say this: the current arc is rather complicated and the main trio Rin/Shiemi/Yukio got blasted into three different directions (Yukio & Illuminati, Rin & the past, Shiemi & the Grigori). That’s why, before they can all meet again, they’ll first need the help of other characters and we may end up with Amaimon being quite relevant to Shiemi’s personal arc before the others catch up.

I hope this makes sense, please read the post I linked to, it may have additional explanations! Have a nice day Anon. :))

do you think shinigamis in kuroshitsuji can have sex with humans?

Hey Anon! And yep, from the moment a demon who shape-shifted into idk how many animals…

can have intercourse with humans

then Shinigamis who originally are humans should be able to as well. 🙂

As for the “but they’re dead” part, well yeah, but we don’t know exactly what their condition is (I’ll elaborate below) and furthermore, they have primary needs like sleeping and eating so why not other needs?

It’s kinda illustrated by Grell having the hots for several guys so far or even Ronald with most women actually, so to me it seems Shinigamis can feel attraction towards humans, which means they can surely be aroused and seek physical intimacy as a result.

Being able to have sex =/= being able to have kids: that’s a different debate.

Just in case you were asking with this in mind though, I want to precise that personally I think it’s possible for Shinigamis to have kids (so for example, I believe that the UT = Cedric theory is a possibility) because the Shinigamis aren’t exactly “dead”, the way final death is meant to be in Kuroshitsuji.

A human being is defined by two parts: their cinematic record and their soul. When they die, the CR is stopped by Shinigamis and to remain in the body, while the soul is collected. That’s what it means to be dead in Kuroshitsuji.

Now, if you look at UT’s bizarre dolls that are basically undead: they have no soul (because it was collected when they died and UT can’t make one from scratch), but they have edited cinematic records which is what makes the corpse mistakenly think it’s still alive.

As for Shinigamis, well that’s the thing: we know they killed themselves so they should be dead…

but it seems they still have their soul and an unstopped cinematic record (otherwise how could they still move, think and feel?), in spite of their peculiar eyes or their ability to teleport, amongst other supernatural things.

Furthermore…

…clearly they can actually die for real again if they’re hit by a death scythe (a death scythe being used to stop a CR and collect the soul, which is why I think they still have both).

Becoming a Shinigami is a punishment to humans who took their own life so maybe they’re not exactly “dead”. Maybe, similarly to how some humans can be “judged worthy to keep on living” by Shinigamis when they’re fated to die, Shinigamis are special cases of “(not really) dead people”.

All that to say, if they’re not exactly dead, then why wouldn’t they be able to have kids? Don’t get me wrong, we know they have superiors who are most likely scaring the shit out of them and as such, rules to follow were mentioned like…

…because Shinigamis are supposed to be “neutral between Gods and humans”, meaning they’re not supposed to be meddling with humans and have kids with them (or with other Shinigamis I suppose).

As far as UT is concerned though, clearly he fails at being a Shinigami, so him having kids (the UT = Cedric theory) would just be one more broken rule to add to his record. No biggie.

TL;DR yes, Shinigamis can most likely have sex with humans and with other Shinigamis.

And from the moment they’re scared to die if stabbed by a death scythe, they might not be exactly dead the way other humans who don’t kill themselves are dead, so they might be able to have kids with humans or other Shinigamis, even though it is very probably 100% forbidden (since they are forbidden from meddling with life, death and humans).

I hope it answers your question Anon, sorry for the length! As with everything, it’s just my opinion, no one has to agree!

Have a nice day. :))