If Marude had to watch Yoshitoki be killed by V then please bury me immediately
@amonmahboi and I were just discussing this and frankly, it’s not impossible that the reason Matsuri and Marude are currently allies working together is because Marude and Yoshitoki couldn’t kill each other (old partners and all, besides Yoshitoki was seen as the nicest Washuu around), so when V arrived to kill Yoshitoki…
he bought time so that Marude would run away. ://
Marude is so done with his part time job at the CCG. xDDD
Unless Hide’s talking about Arima as the Washuu who was “in the way”, it might be indicative that Hide (the witch’s servant) really has been commiserating with Eto (the witch).
More importantly, there seems to be a circle here. The Washuu were suspicious of Hide, but V’s plans were being impeded by the Washuu. That put’s Hide on V’s tail to complete the circuit, as Eto’s accomplice. She was being tracked by both the Washuu and V since her birth, and was already using her mother’s notes to guide her in the truth about them.
Granted, Ishida writes that the witch’s servant was “tricked” into working for them, but I get the feeling it’s really not all that cut and dry. More like, he was riding the coat-tails to get closer to the prince.
Anyway, I’ll take a stab and say that Hide had a crazy amount of dirt on the Washuu and has been threatening to blackmail them for some time—
and the Washuu knew it. But how did the Washuu know their secrets were being ratted out? Who was tipping them off?
Well, maybe nobody was.
[Crack Theory Time!]
Maybe they knew Hide has been a threat from the start. Because while the Chika and Yoshi in 永近英良 (Nagachika Hideyoshi) and 和修時/吉時 (Washuu Chiki/Yoshitoki) are different, the Garden kids all notoriously use very strange spelling for their names.
“like a knight,” she says. but “Kishi” is usually spelled 騎士, not 貴将
“Yusa” is a common name, by typically spelled 結沙 instead of 夕作; Shio has an unusual spelling, as does Hairu, and Nimura’s is a play on his birthday, etc.
The point I’m getting at is that I think it’s time to dig up the old theory that Hide related to the Washuu. I remember hearing that he might be a nephew of Iyo’s, or that he might even be from the Garden himself, sent as a child to keep an eye on Kaneki (under the circumstance that his father actually was of great importance and that his death was notable).
If that’s the case, V has the right to be wary of the Washuu. If one of their people (two when you’re counting Rize) is out running amok with their secrets, endangering the precarious infrastructure of their rule…
We’d better buckle up. There’s still a good number of holes that need filling, and it’s hard to make any educated guesses about V’s motivation, but right now the focus should be that they’re still out there. We know they’re still looking to be in control, even if it benefits them to have the Washuu out of the picture.
The Death of the CCG has been predicted since the beginning of this Oggai/24th ward arc. Ironically, by one of it’s most loyal and steadfast investigators and the one who orchestrated it’s resurgence and rebirth when it was at it’s weakest point.
Yet we see, all of the members of the CCG left in the cast, not acting as if the CCG is responsible for this situation and on it’s last legs, but rather as if it’s the one whose going to solve the dragon crisis despite the fact that it caused it. If you’re just as confused as I am about the CCG’s role in things, read under the cut.
I liked your post, but I think that where I mostly started to agree with it is when you demonstrated how Marude and the CCG basically didn’t learn anything from Furuta (though I’m guessing the fact that he allied with Matsuri to take Furuta down is at least a progress in itself).
It’s a fact though, most of the CCG didn’t learn anything over 27+ volumes and that’s probably why Furuta didn’t mind one bit about slaughtering a large part of them into the plan to trigger Dragoneki’s apparition, because they’re not the main way to change this world, Kaneki is.
Similarly, in the newest chapter…
…We’re faced with many ghouls who followed Kaneki cheering him on and singing his praise for “getting revenge for all of them”, when until Dragoneki, Kaneki never killed a single investigator because he wanted for ghouls and humans to be able to coexist.
And that’s my main point: aside from a few humans on the CCG’s side and a few ghouls on Kaneki’s side, coexistence is still lost to both sides as the solution to a conflict that lasted for over a century
because they can’t seem to ever be learning. That’s why I think that the last part of Furuta’s plan wasn’t referring to Dragoneki himself…
…but rather to the final enemy that’s supposed to make them all “transcend the barrier of species”. So basically:
the CCG and ghouls will indeed join hands to defeat Kaneki => that’s Hide’s plan, I think he intends on using the few ghouls and CCG investigators who don’t want Kaneki dead to help him get out of the kakuja form within the next 72 hours (Akira, Amon, the Qs, Nishiki, Touka, Tsukiyama, Hina…).
And, when Kaneki is finally out, only then might the two sides finally learn something when the same monster that threatened them will surely defeat the “truly great enemy towering before them”…
…aka V.
Sorry to add on, I just found your post to be quite relevant of the current situation and in no way showing any confusion. 🙂 These people haven’t learnt because Kaneki needs to be helped first before he can show them the way against V, in my opinion.
Hi! Well, I can’t fully agree with you there, but thanks for sharing your opinion in the first place. x)
To discuss this a little, I’m just theorizing that the specialist Hide is talking about is someone who’s not just knowledgeable about ghouls, but also about the parallel of the current situation with what happened 100+ years ago…
…otherwise it feels we’re never going to find out about what exactly happened, when it’s kind of mandatory since Furuta’s plan with Dragoneki is definitely based on recreating a similar situation to 100 years ago.
That’s why I think that specialist is a character who at least has an idea as to what exactly happened a long time ago, because these info will surely be helpful in stopping the Nagaraj 2.0 (aka Dragoneki).
I definitely agree that Marude wouldn’t trust a ghoul though, nor might he trust Kanou or Ogura (since one is a mad scientist and the other used to spread misinformation about ghouls), but he seems to fully trust Hide/Scarecrow, which is the whole point.
You can even look at the situation from a different angle: after all, aren’t Matsuri and Marude now “allies”
against Furuta, at least for the time being? When Marude killed Yoshitoki and knows that Matsuri is a ghoul?
So Marude doesn’t have to trust the specialist that they will ask for help, no matter who it might be (Kanou, Ogura, Kimi, Donato, Itori, someone from V, Eto, Shachi, Touka & Tsukiyama…); considering the situation, trusting in Hide’s plan (like he did until now) is enough.
Keep in mind that I personally don’t think that “taking Dragoneki down” is the last arc, which means that…
…humans and ghouls allying (through stopping Dragoneki) Isn’t the final goal because it will most likely be mandatory to bringing down the series’ potential big bad (V).
Besides, Hide’s specialist might only hold some keys of the final answer since Ayato’s investigation deep down is definitely going to mean something as well (so it’s yet another reason for an alliance between Scarecrow’s side and Kaneki’s old party, between “humans and ghouls” at this point in the story, once Ayato is back).
We’ll see soon enough anyway, but basically I don’t think this plan is about Marude trusting anyone besides simply Scarecrow. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and have a nice day. 🙂
This is just my opinion but I’m assuming that by “specialist”, Hide/Scarecrow is thinking about someone who knows about what happened with the Nagaraj (a hundred years ago or so) since, as Dragon, Kaneki’s situation definitely parallels the Nagaraj’s so far [x][x].
As for who the specialist may be…
A doctor with knowledge about ghoul biology: Kanou, Chigyou, Shiba?
Or Ogura since he was called a specialist before, even if he wasn’t exactly one? Could be anyone from the Great Wheel act too, or even Kimi, since she’s been researching about ghouls as well.
It’s also not impossible that the specialist in question might be a ghoul: someone from the Clowns’ gang maybe? With all the information she has, Itori might know a few things and she had no role in :Re yet, but I guess Donato could also be a suspect since he knows many things.
Shachi and Eto might not be extremely relevant to this situation, but I’d feel bad leaving them out since we still don’t know if they’re dead or not.
Considering that Furuta’s plan with Dragoneki was supposed to bring ghouls and humans together though…
…I’d rather bet on a specialist that’s not exactly human, so I’m all for Hide maybe mentioning one of the Clowns, especially since we can’t be sure he isn’t acquainted with them [x][x] and we still don’t know how he managed to escape from the sewers back in TG, if he apparently couldn’t heal. 😉
Oh man, I’m dying to know what the relationships between the Washuu family and Garden kids was like when they were younger. Even though Yoshitoki is more than 15 years older that Arima, the pages where they’re standing in front of Tsuneyoshi really gave me the feeling that they were like brothers.
Yoshitoki had a reputation for being the most “peace-loving” of the CCG’s leaders, and actually seemed to care about what people like Haise and Yoshimura thought of him. His way of saying “we’re just doing our job” reminded me exactly of what Juuzou said– that they’re only following orders and it’s nothing personal.
In a way, I kinda take back what I said previously about Yoshitoki making a power-move when Urie asked about the surgery. It must not’ve felt very nice from Arima’s perspective, but in ways I wonder if he was actually onto Arima’s plans and was genuinely curious about what he thought.
Here’s why:
Yoshitoki gave Marude help.
He said he was counting on Arima, and that he was merely “disappointed” in Marude, but it all gives me the feeling that he still wants things to work out for the best. It seems like he was only doing his best to balance the scales from his position as director all these years, and if things were going to go this way, he’d do what he could to make sure things worked out.
Keep in mind, too, that Yoshitoki and Marude were close friends for many years, and that Marude was Arima’s supervisor as a teenager. They were all close for a long time.
It almost makes me feel like the “unknown assailant” that killed Yoshitoki… might’ve been Yoshitoki himself.
The blood and gouges and timing make no sense. We previously thought it was Amon (the projectiles kinda match his), but I’m starting to think it’s possible that Yoshitoki staged this to save Marude and help things go in a good direction.
That would also partially explain why Matsuri has decided to work with Marude, rather than take revenge on him.
Anyway, yeah… I think Yoshitoki and Arima got along. They were both revealed through omakes and calendars and small moments in the manga to be secretly gentle people, but for now I guess I can only hope that they got along.
LMAO, well, I was very wise to tell myself not to answer you before the new chapter came out when I received your ask this morning, just in case Scarecrow was the one who shot Furuta, because the new chapterfinally tells us who Scarecrow is! xDDDD
So I believe the new chapter should answer your question about Scarecrow/Hide’s future involvement in the story, him being apparently on the side of the “humans” (Matsuri notwithstanding since he’s a Washuu?) who rebelled against Furuta’s CCG.
This chapter and this new reveal definitely makes me think that there now are 3 sides:
there is Furuta’s CCG (aka the Oggai, people like Mutsuki and Ui, V, Kanou’s dead army and the Clowns who are probably still backing him),
there is Kaneki leading the ghouls (+ Hirako and the 0 squad)
and there is a third side with Hide (”Mr.Terrorist”) & Marude ready to welcome all the CCG investigators who, like Amon (although I’m unsure if he’s currently “with them”), don’t feel ready to fight with Kaneki, seeing as “he killed Arima Kishou”, or for the ghouls’ side in general.
Though I’m pretty convinced for now that Hide’s role will be to try and bring closer the two sides (Kaneki’s and Marude’s) that are going to fight against Furuta’s, which is an amazing role to have (unless he really has a suspicious agenda). All in all, this is very exciting! 😀
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