Recap post: the “real!Ciel mastermind theory”

As proposed on Friday, here’s a recap post about my take on it, for the few who wanted it and in hope that it might help some others with the few misunderstandings I’ve seen going around. Let me know if anything is not clear!

First thing first, despite the name of the theory, real!Ciel isn’t exactly the mastermind or the real target of Ciel’s revenge for me, if just because he and our!Ciel wouldn’t have ended up with child traffickers and sold to the cult if there wasn’t another party involved (and wanting for them to suffer).

So someone else definitely manipulated real!Ciel and his possible wishes, in order to get to the Phantomhive household. They sent someone, very probably a supernatural being considering how they appeared right behind our!Ciel, to kill almost everyone before making sure the boys would know Hell.

For simplicity’s sake and this post, we’ll assume the true mastermind is Queen Victoria (+ John Brown) and if there is a need for more explanations, please check these posts [x][x].

Moving on, in my take of the RCMT, there were only two attackers on December 14th:

and while #1 is the supernatural being (Brown?), #2 is real!Ciel (see below).

However, I know, why would a ten year old child ever wish doom on his own family?

Well, first of all, things very probably didn’t go according to real!Ciel’s plan, way before the boys were even given to child traffickers: I’m of the opinion that initially all that real!Ciel ever wanted was for his father to die.
And why? Because with Vincent dead, he was the next head of the Phantomhive family and as such…

…he might have a say into his little brother’s project to go to London and become a toymaker, leaving him behind.

But things escalated from the twin’s initial plan, very probably because of the real mastermind who used real!Ciel’s little wish to get his father out of the way to almost entirely annihilate the Phantomhive household, before getting rid of the twins in a much crueler way

(possibly because real!Ciel was an accomplice).

So overall was it a horrible, irrational and childish idea coming from real!Ciel? Well, yeah, but he was ten years old and, mostly…

he apparently had (& still has as a bizarre doll) a rather pathological attachment to his little brother

(bordering on obsession really) and that could be enough of a reason for him to truly fear the future separation.

He might have even seen his parents as being unsupportive of him and his issue on the topic, because they clearly seemed to be okay with our!Ciel’s choice in ch133. Thus getting rid of at least Vincent to replace him and have his say on the matter was a minimal price to pay for not being separated from our!Ciel.

I disagree with fans labelling real!Ciel a psychopath in the past (it’s possibly different now because of UT), however I do think something was wrong with him if his little brother was the only one who mattered above everyone else to him. And, again, I really think that’s the case because…

(”together” as “just the two of us”)

…Lizzie, the Midfords, Ann (before she died)? Well, he didn’t/still doesn’t seem to consider them at all. :// Our!Ciel does though…

and that’s from where I draw a comparison between what’s normal and what seems to be less so, because it’s as if Sensei wanted to insist that they’re very different on this point.

So, looking at ch133/134, what happened?

First of all, it’s very important to realize that there is a one and half year time skip between real!Ciel breaking down about our!Ciel leaving him behind (with Vincent and Rachel not taking his side) and December 14th, 1885.

And it’s important because that means that Sensei purposely hid what the twin did or even how he acted between the incident and the actual massacre, after focusing for two chapters on real!Ciel being bothered by his brother leaving him.

So “he was a sweet kid, loved his parents and he would have never done that”? Well no one can know that for sure, since it’s not like we really saw anything about him between “I have no choice but to become Earl Phantomhive” and the attack on the manor. Besides, it’s kind of very Sensei-like to do foreshadowing this way, just saying.

Moving on, I’m not going to expand on how/when/why real!Ciel could have ended up as an accomplice of the attack of December 14th because we have no clue of that yet (that’s all in that one and a half year missing from the flashback), however I think everyone pro or against RCMT realized by now that the outsider who killed almost everyone received help from inside the house.

That helper is real!Ciel for me: he’s the one who muzzled Seb the dog and locked him in, so that he wouldn’t warn anyone/attack the intruder, but also maybe so that he wouldn’t be killed.

As I said above, I doubt that real!Ciel considered that anyone besides his dad had to die for him to get what he wanted and both the dog and servants could still be useful to him as the next Earl

anyway

(in order to keep the exact same household, except for Vincent himself).

As for Rachel, well, from the way she and Vincent died, embracing each other…

…I think she tried to shield Vincent and was killed first. ;_;

However,

had his initial plan gone perfectly, I’m not sure either that real!Ciel thought it necessary for his mother to die (just like the dog and servants).
Either because he imagined that, once he’d be Earl, a woman would have no way to stop his decisions (I mean, look at what he said to Lizzie, I know he was a kid but ://), or because he thought she could understand after what she said about her and Ann in ch133.

There again, real!Ciel’s plan definitely didn’t go as expected, since the real target of our!Ciel’s revenge ordered her assassin to annihilate the whole household instead (the twins awaiting another horrible fate), which…

what

took

place. Well, almost because someone survived.

Before I get to this part though, I have to say: I don’t think real!Ciel is the one who killed his parents. He wanted his father dead, yes, but he’s not the one who stabbed them, or Seb the dog, or even most of the household.

Just look at ch134, all the dead people our!Ciel came across had a lot of blood pooling around the bodies, a lot of blood on the walls or furnitures around too, which in my opinion signs the work of a real skilled killer (that supernatural being, attacker #1).

So I doubt the twin would have been able of that, not at ten years old, not when he didn’t have blood on his clothes ~~and not when he seemed to suck at fencing~~. What he did do however is at least muzzle and lock the dog, take the Phantomhive ring from his father’s hand (the ring that proved he could inherit the position after his father)…

and possibly stab Tanaka at least once (making him attacker #2).

The reason I think the twin is the one who stabbed Tanaka is the opposite as to why I think a real pro took down everyone else: Tanaka was stabbed twice

meaning that the first time wasn’t enough to kill him, so:

either he held his own against a supernatural being because he was strong enough
or real!Ciel is the one who wasn’t skilled enough to kill him on the first try.

Also, the second time Tanaka was stabbed was precisely as he attempted to warn our!Ciel of something about real!Ciel…

And if real!Ciel was in on the plan about December 14th, frankly I doubt he’d want his little brother to know that he was an accomplice in the massacre that took place.

The last chapter even implied that servants aren’t exactly people real!Ciel tends to care about anyway…

…so who knows if even Tanaka wouldn’t become disposable from the moment he caught on about real!Ciel being an accomplice? ://

So basically, real!Ciel is the one who stabbed Tanaka in the back, just as Tanaka tried to warn our!Ciel, but then the supernatural attacker showed up and took our!Ciel away before he could see who was the one with the knife.

I know Tanaka is still considered as a suspect by some fans, but honestly I just can’t see how or why. And when it comes to how Tanaka managed to survive his wounds and the fire that destroyed the whole manor, since that’s one point making him suspicious, I discussed it a little here for those interested.

Additional hints & details for the RCMT

To tie with the more recent chapters, since UT brought back the twin, but not mandatory when it comes to understanding the theory, so under read more:

the twin’s behavior towards our!Ciel

I think it’s a hint by itself, because he still seems very obsessed with the idea to finally “be able to be together forever”.

Real!Ciel being a bizarre doll though, that means UT brought him back through editing his cinematic record with “episodes” (i.e ”yearning for the future”).

In other words, if before he died real!Ciel was strongly envisioning his future as “being together forever” with his little brother (as the flashback showed well enough), it could explain why he’s still super obsessed with the idea, because that’s literally what keeps him going as UT’s current masterpiece.

A real obsession can be dangerous: look at Ann and the JTR arc, or look at UT who can’t mourn the dead Phantomhives and instead tries to bring them back through lots of horrible and bloody experiments. So in real!Ciel’s case, it’s not that impossible that it could have led to December 14th.

the attack on Soma and Agni

Could be a hint depending on why the twin became violent and what was the purpose of the twin coming to the house in the first place.

Was it to see our!Ciel? And that’s why they wrote a creepy message on the wall? In that case, discovering Soma living there or Soma acting familiar with him triggered his violent reaction.

Or was it because of Soma himself? It’s obvious that UT told real!Ciel about what life his brother led for the last 4 years, so he could have mentioned Soma. However, considering how real!Ciel only sees and cares about him and his little brother, Soma calling himself “Ciel’s big brother” could have made him super jealous. ://

why did the attack happen on December 14th precisely?

In case anyone else is wondering. I’ve seen three possibilities until now:

because it was easier for the twin to get everything ready (muzzling the dog, etc) while everyone else was otherwise busy preparing their birthday party. There is even a mention of real!Ciel reading till super late the night before, to the point of not getting enough sleep.
because, in the idea that real!Ciel was really missing some screws, the plan to kill his dad so that he could become Earl was supposed to be a birthday gift to both him and his little brother (since the plan was one way for them to “be together forever”) (proposed by @asthmaticastre [x])
rather than being related to the twin, the choice of the date is related to the mastermind, because Prince Albert was Queen Victoria’s love of her life and historically he died on December 14th, 1861.
So if in Kuroverse the Queen thinks her Watchdog at the time (Claudia) was somehow responsible… she could hold a grudge => short version of the theory.

could someone have prevented the RCMT from happening?

Because I remember that a lot of readers used to despise Vincent and Rachel for “badly raising their son” and not paying attention, but I just don’t think it’s their fault, because I don’t think that real!Ciel behaved particularly oddly aside from that one trait.

That being said, as I explained here, I think there is a slight possibility that Vincent might have caught on about his first son’s strong (rather abnormal if the rcmt is a thing) attachment to his little brother…

Not that it saved him or Rachel, so I guess no one has to care, but we’re still missing one and a half year from the flashback and, in general, Vincent is a rather mysterious character so… in case we ever address that time skip again, it could be useful to at least consider the idea.

why would UT even bring back the twin if the RCMT is true, considering how much he cared about Vincent?

Last point, but at the heart of the current arc and I agree with @dorkshadows on the matter, which is to say that UT is so ~~biased~~ obsessed with not wanting to lose more Phantomhives that he would probably find every reason to excuse real!Ciel’s involvement in what took place on December 14th.

Though there is also the possibility that UT didn’t even watch this part of the twin’s cinematic record before editing his record post credits, because he was already convinced that the Queen was behind the attack on December 14th. In that case he wouldn’t even know that the twin played a role in Vincent’s death.

I’ll conclude by redirecting you to what @cielsama14 once said about the RCMT here, which I think is extremely fitting, especially considering what Sensei always said about the P family being cursed.

Long post as always with me, but I hope it was understandable!

Please keep in mind that this is my take on this theory, but there are other versions.
Don’t hesitate to ask if there is anything. Thanks for reading. 🙂

abybweisse:

Modus operandi

Thanks to another blogger’s recent post about the attackers at Phantomhive manor (sorry, I don’t recall the OP), I’ve noticed something I hadn’t before. They provided this picture:

…showing that Tanaka must have been stabbed or slashed in his side before being stabbed in the back.

And where else have we seen this?

More evidence that these attackers are the same person?

So…

how did Tanaka…

hurt his cheek?

I’m not excluding that this is a meaningless detail of course and that Sensei didn’t redraw it for the current flashack, but if it’s actually relevant it must have happened between the moment he was stabbed and the moment he was taken to the hospital.

Did something else happen on December 14th?
Does it have to do with the fire, for which we still don’t know the cause and culprit by the way (nor how Tanaka managed to escape the house and go to the hospital, injured as he was)?

I love your comparison with Zeke Jaeger! I never thought about it, but now I totally see it. (It’s too early to know, of course.) From what /I/ see so far, I think maybe the resurrection of RC has amplified his bad sides? Making him more possessive of OC. Obviously if he was a pawn for the killers, regardless if he expected his parents to die or not, something scary was definitely driving him. The future development will be so interesting. He seemed to feel guilty on the past, ->

Hi Anon, thanks for reading. :))

Of course, this isn’t a full comparison since Zeke clearly has had strong daddy issues for a while when real!Ciel’s motive might be tied more directly to his brother, but I found the slight resemblance interesting.

About zombie!real!Ciel though, yes I agree and it’s something I and several others have mentioned before. When you look at bizarre dolls in general, even if we don’t know whether real!Ciel was brought back by UT or not, well…

they always had violence and obsession as common points.

It might be because UT said that BDs tended to seek what they lacked, or it might simply be his method of using the “episodes”

within the cinematic records

(yearning for the future: in real!Ciel’s case => “staying with my little brother”, making real!Ciel a more perfect version of Derrick and Agares), but my personal opinion is that the whole process of bringing the dead back to “life” is so unnatural anyway that it’s bound to never work perfectly.

The other explanation where real!Ciel is concerned could be that…

his time with the cult 4 years ago and him being sacrificed were such traumatizing events that he became crazy while on the brink of death and it’s something that stayed even when he was brought back (because let’s be honest here, our!Ciel fares much better than he did 4 years ago thanks to going back to a life where he had caring servants, loving family and friends, even if he tried to push all that away).

Also about the twin, again I agree that if the RCMT is correct, then…

the massacre of the entire household was unplanned. However, it’s just my opinion but considering his weird reaction in this scene…

…I know it’s absolutely horrible (though @dorkshadows will surely like it), but my current take on the RCMT is that

maybe Vincent and Rachel were the only targets in real!Ciel’s initial plan,
for a reason I explained here

(hence why I find there might be a resemblance with Zeke Jaeger in the first place)
or maybe real!Ciel took his “ally”’s words for it that they had a solution to his problem and when he found their parents dead, he realized a little too late what that solution was (which is similar to your idea that he went with the flow and took the ring).

Maybe that’s why there is such a strong focus on real!Ciel taking the ring with barely a reaction about their parents’ death and the ring representing his wish to “start over together”. Maybe for the year and a half after this scene…

…he couldn’t hide how bitter he was to have to become Earl Phantomhive when our!Ciel would become a toymaker and leave for London, which is what the mastermind used against him.

So, when December 14th came and if the RCMT is correct, real!Ciel at least muzzled the dog because he knew someone was coming to do something. The question now is, did he count on the plan leading to his parents’ death or did he just realize too late what the “plan” to help his wish was?
At this point it’s hard to say, even if @thedarkestcrow rightfully pointed out to me that the first option is maybe too extreme since real!Ciel didn’t hate his family.

Sorry for the long post, it’s just one possibility and my opinion, so it could be 100% off.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Anon and have a lovely day too! ❤

14th December 1885 and Ciel in the cult

midnight-in-town:

This post is in reference to flashbacks in Kuroshitsuji chapters 10/11, 19, 32, 62 and 101.

So after establishing this theory, I started thinking back on that fateful night when Vincent and Rachel were killed and Ciel was taken away, and I hoped to do some kind of timeline/analysis to try understanding the killer(s)’ goals (?) and whether Ciel’s time at the cult was coincidental, or planned by the one who decided to kill his parents (obviously, if it was planned it’s even more horrible for him).

This is probably Kuroshitsuji’s biggest mystery since it’s the main plot: Ciel’s revenge is linked to this night and his contract to Sebastian is linked to his revenge, which is why we probably don’t have enough clues yet, but still I tried with what we had.

Spoilers everywhere obviously, and special thanks to wondrouswatchdog who discussed the theory with me (your patience is a gift :3). Also, since it’s already a very complicated matter, I’m leaving out all theories about Ciel, 2CT included.

–

1) Flashback of ch 19

It all starts here:

Ciel is still in his cute everyday outfit and it’s impossible to say what time it actually is. Then someone yells.

He finds the dog first, gets blood on his hand and then…

He finds his parents. Vincent looks like he’s hugging Rachel (so maybe she was hit first?) but blood seems to be pooling around both their bodies. No gunshots were heard seemingly, so it’s safe to assume that Ciel’s parents were stabbed.

From the amount of blood on the floor, Rachel or Vincent (or both) were really injured and they don’t seem to react to Ciel’s presence and eventual screaming.

That’s when it really becomes interesting.

Ciel somehow finds Tanaka (at the end of the corridor?) while his parents are either already dead or very probably on the verge of dying, but Tanaka is already facing the culprit. He doesn’t even have time to warn Ciel that he’s already stabbed in the back (and that is some huge knife the guy has) and then falls to the ground.

Let’s stop here for a moment.

Remember Tanaka in the Green Witch arc? We’re speaking of a guy who was able to cut a bullet in half with his Japanase sword, so there is no need to wonder about his strength and speed (and that’s 3 years after this incident and with a wound to his back).

So what does it say about his opponent?

Tanaka tried to warn Ciel and turned his back to his opponent, which means he probably thought he had the time to urge Ciel to run before fighting back (otherwise he would have stayed focused on his opponent, he’s not stupid). And yet he was stabbed, so the one holding the knife was probably not some common killer (this point doesn’t have to make much sense, it’s mostly that Tanaka was defeated even though we know he’s a badass fighter and it’s hard to surprise him).

Back to the analysis, after Tanaka is out, what happens to Ciel?

This panel makes everything surreal because:

– Either it’s Ciel’s own hand and he’s trying to protect himself by doing the gesture of putting his hands in front of his face: but in that case we should see his left thumb (try doing the gesture yourself with your left hand if you don’t know what I mean).

– Or it’s someone else’s hand coming from behind him and in front of his eyes, which makes sense because it looks like to be the left ring finger and the pinky.

Whose hand is it though? An accomplice of the one with the knife? Vincent who managed to get up? Another servant?
It’s impossible to say right now, but this hand probably snatched Ciel from behind (so either in order to make him run/protect him or to capture him).

2) 3 strange facts

That’s the only flashback about this night and what happened in the Phantomhive manor on December 14, 1885, and after that Ciel is already shown to be in the cult.

However there are a few facts so far that are already raising a few questions:

The fire

Vincent and Rachel were stabbed and didn’t react to Ciel’s screaming so they were probably going to die of their wounds. So why start a fire?

We know from the Undertaker’s words in ch105 that Vincent’s body was horribly burnt, even though we saw he was stabbed along with Rachel.
And even if we consider he managed to survive the first hit somehow, why didn’t they stab him again? Why a fire?

It might have a totally different purpose than just killing Vincent.

The fire destroyed the manor and the Phantomhives’ belongings so it might have been all about the Watchdog’s annihilation.
Also, obviously a fire can be started accidentally, while stabbing leaves evidence of blatant murder. So a fire would raise less questions than obvious killing.

If the fire was to hide evidence (I’m more about the symbolism of absolute annihilation of anything related to the Watchdog, especially if Victoria is the mastermind and Vincent was acting against her).

Madam Red

She was supposed to come for Ciel’s birthday on that same day but when she arrived at the manor:

The fire had already started. She probably arrived early on the evening in order to celebrate her nephew’s birthday, so this means Ciel’s parents and Tanaka were stabbed shortly before the evening.

We might see our dear Madam Red again when Yana finally starts explaining the real deal, because she’s the one who discovered the fire, so she might have done something afterwards, but what?

Tanaka

He’s the real deal here. Stabbed as he was and since we know Ciel found him in the hospital after Sebastian brought him home, the question is: how did he escape death and the fire?

He was still resting in the hospital when Ciel came back from the cult and when he received his title from Victoria: so Tanaka stayed at least 3 months resting in a bed (since Ciel’s ceremony was in March).

So he was hurt deeply on December 14 but still, he managed to escape from the Phantomhive manor and the fire?

Maybe. Or maybe not.

Yes, I’m actually saying that maybe there was someone else who arrived after/was already there when the murders happened and that person saved Tanaka.
Because even if he managed to escape somehow, he would have need immediate transport to a hospital, so the theory to have outside help isn’t so far-fetched.

Who is that potential ally though? Could be anybody on Vincent’s side, from Frances to the Undertaker, passing by someone we might not know yet (before you ask, since Angelina arrived after the fire started, I doubt it could be her, but I can’t exactly dismiss her either since we don’t know what she did after discovering the fire).

EDIT: Seeing as UT can teleport though, then it’s an even better possibility for how Tanaka escaped the fire and was brought to a hospital in time.

3) Ciel and the cult

The aftermath of the tragedy on December 14 was Ciel finding himself with crazy people who wanted to summon a demon and I don’t think I have to remind you of the hell he lived through and how much it destroyed him.

3 questions:

Is the cult behind Vincent and Rachel’s murders?

How did Ciel find himself in there? Was his time with the cult planned or is it just a pure coincidence?

We don’t know if Ciel managed to run away after Tanaka was stabbed, or if he was captured by an accomplice of the one with the knife, but the thing is he was bought by a guy and sent in there, so somehow even if he managed to run away from the manor at first, he was eventually captured at some point.
(~~To be honest, I don’t think he could have escaped the one who defeated Tanaka, unless the hand creeping in front of his face in the flashback is someone who wants to save him.~~)

Is the cult behind Vincent and Rachel’s murders?

To answer this, I’ll need to bring in someone we all dislike: Kelvin.

Kelvin was crazy about Vincent and Ciel ever since he saw them the very first time.

He tried to find a way to be worthy of them and was really depressed when he heard about their death, but Kelvin was affiliated with that sect, as it is shown when his buddy visits him to tell him “their buyer” found Ciel.

So it sounds unlikely that the cult annihilated Vincent and his family since they seemed so happy to have found Ciel a bit coincidentally thanks to their buyer (who’s the one who bought all the other kids we could see in that flashback during the Green Witch arc).

So the cult aren’t the ones directly responsible for Vincent and Rachel’s murders.

How did Ciel find himself in there? Was his time with the cult planned or is it just a pure coincidence?

This part is just awful when you appreciate Ciel’s character…

It all starts here:

This is Ciel who just got out of the cult after binding himself to Sebastian and he’s holding a ring.

Ciel always wears two rings on his fingers: the blue one Elizabeth once broke before Sebastian fixed it, worn by the head of the Phantomhive family (in other words the Queen’s watchdog) and the gold one, which found his way back to him thanks to Angelina.

So the bloody ring he’s holding above definitely is the most important one of the two: the blue ring Vincent always wore as well on his fingers.

So how come Ciel has it when he just got out of the cult, especially since it’s a ring Vincent would always wear as well?

I also said earlier that we could see Ciel in his usual outfit when he found his parents dead, but he’s wearing cheap and worn out clothes during his time in the cult, like the other kids, so it’s not like he could have taken the ring himself and hidden it inside his clothes.
And yet this ring was definitely within the cult’s place and Ciel got it back (seeing how bloody the ring and Ciel’s sleeve are, I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually ripped it from someone’s finger).

So why? Because this ring means two things:

It proves Ciel’s identity as a member of the Phantomhive family

That’s how that horrible pig knew Ciel was “the real Phantomhive boy”.

It gives the cult the insurance that Vincent is dead (otherwise the ring would be on his finger) and won’t pursue them if they toy with his son (besides, they must have heard about the fire as well, so the ring is only a confirmation that the Queen’s watchdog is indeed dead)

And who took the ring out of Vincent’s finger? Obviously the one(s) behind his murder, and since that ring could prove Ciel’s identity easily, the fact Ciel had it right after he got out of the sect means they left it with Ciel after Vincent’s murder (which is how the cult realized who he was and decided to make him a “sacrificial lamb”).

In other words, the one(s) who killed Vincent were the reason the cult knew who Ciel was and decided to treat him the way they did for their satanic summonings.

4) Conclusion

So did Ciel find himself in that hell coincidentally? No way, it was all planned by whoever decided to annihilate the Phantomhive family.

Whoever they are, they planned Vincent’s murder, destructed all that was his (his home, his belongings, his wife) and sent his son in Hell (and all that on his son’s birthday).

I call that revenge. Or punishment.

And we all know there is only one person above the Watchdog in term of power anyway, and they’re his master.

Oh, and did you also know that December 14 is the day Albert, Victoria’s dear husband died? She loved him soooooo much, she still needs a puppet of him to keep on feeling happy and safe.

Just sayin’ (~~there is no coincidence in Kuroshitsuji~~). 😉

(Thanks for reading)

Old post but ch135 is around the corner so I’m bringing it back.

This post was written two and a half years ago, so forgive me for the lack of 2ct mention, but the theory basically stays the same if we’re leaving to the side the possibility that real!Ciel was manipulated and played a part in the events of the attack on the manor.

Two additional thoughts that aren’t in this post:

@akumadeenglish pointed out that the ones who attacked the manor (they were at least 2?) probably took the twins to make sure that they would end up abducted by the child traffickers (who have no relation to the attack on the manor) before they got sold to the cult. [x]

it’s possible that the reason Kelvin’s friends were so happy to have found the Phantomhive twins is because of some rumors there might have been about the Phantomhive family. [x]

Dunno if anye’s asked this before, so I’m asking you. you’ve become an interface between eastern and western fandoms as well as a kind of clearing house of theories and such (willing or no!), so you seem a good one to ask: in #19 when the cultist gives oCiel ‘the mark of a noble beast,’ was oCiel singled out for this? if so why? Do both boys bear that mark? Has anyone attached significance to this? If so, what? Do you have any opinion?

akumadeenglish:

Hi again! 😀

in #19 when the cultist gives oCiel ‘the mark of a noble beast,’ was oCiel singled out for this?

Honestly, I’ve been wondering about this, too, for a while

I used to think OC was the only one that got branded because the cultists said

“お前には崇高なる獣の印をあげようね”

which translates to

“We shall give you (*singular + emphasis) the mark of the noble beast”

The “you” in this sentence is 100% singular and slightly emphasised, that’s why I always thought it was only OC who got branded, but I recently noticed that it is also possible that the cultists meant something like

“We shall give you (OC) this mark [and your brother (RC) a different mark]”

so this line doesn’t necessarily prove that OC was the only one with the brand.

Also,

these two panels are from ch19 and judging from the hair parting I think we can safely assume this is RC.

As you can see, there’s a fresh scar? burn mark? visible on his right arm and I’ve been wondering for quite a while now whether this is supposed to be a brand or not ((Though, I rather tend to think it’s not, because if it is a brand mark, then it must be a super small one, much smaller than the one OC got, considering it fits in a 10-year-old child’s forearm.))

For comparison: OC’s brand mark

Tl;dr: I really don’t know, let’s wait for the next chapter

Hum I wonder, ans if the one(s) who have killed everyone and the ones who have kidnapped the kids weren’t the same persons? I mean , let’s say that John Brown/a shinigami is the one behind O!Ciel, he takes the kid out of the manor, potentially with his brother and let them outside. Alone and terrified, they tries to run to their aunt’s house and are found by the children’s traffickers?

akumadeenglish:

Mmmmmmmm, honestly, I don’t really see it ^^;

I can’t really see any reason why the culprit(s) who ruthlessly killed everyone in the manor would want to spare the twins and let them escape. And if the culprit hadn’t mean to harm the twins and really wanted to spare them for some reason, there would have been a better way to do so than just dropping two 10-year-old children outside late at night in cold December and having them kidnapped by some random human trafficking organisation who happened to be wandering in the neighbourhood. Idk, that seems like a weird situation to me, and also a half assed job on the culprit’s part (be it John Brown or some other supernatural character).

Anyway, personally, I rather think that the people who attacked the Phantomhives are the same people who sold the twins to the human trafficking organisation. The fact that they attacked the manor on the twins’ birthday (which is also Prince Albert’s death day)
of all days

and that they “spared” the twins just to subject them to humiliation/living hell might suggest that the culprits held an extremely strong grudge against the Phantomhives – at least that’s how I interpreted it. But yeah, maybe we’ll find out more about all this in the next chapter! 😀

ok! so i was thinking what if seb is the one who killed OC’s family? like maybe he was contracted to someone who wanted revenge on them for whatever reason so he killed everyone for them. then the twins are kidnapped/sold and they end up in that place to get sacrificed, so what if he just ends up being summoned again?? and maybe, based on Tanaka from ch134, he hurt RC and that’s what RC was referring to earlier, like how dare he do that to him. idk why seb would stay with OC if that’s (1/2)

funtomrabbits:

– the case, but maybe it has to do with him priming OC’s soul for like.. the best taste? because that betrayal would definitely hurt the poor bb immensely. maybe that’s also why he hasn’t been able to find out who did it all this time. idk! it’ll be interesting to see who it really was and i hope we find out soon. thanks for listening! (2/2)

Hello there! I’m sorry for the delayed response, I was out and didn’t have access to my computer!

“ok! so i was thinking what if seb is the one who killed OC’s family? like maybe he was contracted to someone who wanted revenge on them for whatever reason so he killed everyone for them”

Sorry, anon, but I don’t even see this as a possibility. Taking in to consideration that Sebastian knew nothing about the Phantomhives, it’s not really likely that he would have anything to do with the murders. If he had pre-planned to take OC’s soul, you would think he would have known things about him such as his asthma, etc.

And there’s also this that basically hints at Sebastian’s regret for getting himself in to the contract in the first place. At least, his annoyance with it. If this was something he went out of his way to get, his attitude would differ from this greatly. (esp the wording “ended up,” proving that it wasn’t something he set out to do)

“that betrayal would definitely hurt the poor bb immensely”

I have to say that I entirely disagree on this. After all, how can you feel betrayed by someone you have no faith in in the first place?

OC said himself that he doesn’t trust Sebastian in the slightest, so even if there was any possibility that he had anything to do with the murder of OC’s family, it wouldn’t make sense for him to feel “betrayed.”

and maybe, based on Tanaka from ch134, he hurt RC and that’s what RC was referring to earlier, like how dare he do that to him.

RC’s statement was pretty vague, so I’m not sure that we can really make a probable guess as to what it might mean (at least in my opinion). But if you believe Sebastian actually ate RC’s soul, that might be it.

Besides all that, but if Sebastian was the one who murdered OC’s family, what is he getting out of the contract? If OC’s goal is to take revenge on the people who defiled him and Sebastian is the one helping him to achieve it with the reward of his soul, there would be absolutely no reason for Sebastian to have an interest in the contract in the first place if he was the perpetrator.

Anyways, feel free to send any more questions or thoughts you might have!

Maybe Francis is one attacker? If the RC mastermind theory is correct, i doubt he would have trusted a stranger to do the worst and no one would have surprised by the aunt coming for the birthdays. maybe thats why tanaka says he doesn’t know the culprit when clearly he lies.

bianoleto83:

midnight-in-town:

I mean… No offense Anon, but at this point in the story, this… doesn’t make sense? x)

I don’t even know if I’m supposed to take you seriously. xD First of all, about the RC mastermind theory, I’m still looking for an explanation as to why real!Ciel would have knowingly participated in the attack on December 14th (if we’re excluding that he was born with sociopathic tendencies), but at least there are moments that could be interpreted as fishy where he is concerned.

Frances though, I completely fail to see your point and I doubt there is any. What are you even basing your idea on?

We never saw any hint that Frances and Vincent didn’t get along

on the contrary, they seemed to have the most healthy sibling dynamic so far (which is way too ironic btw, considering how dehumanizing the Watchdog duty can get).

In fact, considering Lizzie’s engagement to Vincent’s heir, it seems rather obvious that she always did what she could to help her brother and his heir.

I know she always appears to be cold, but that doesn’t mean she’s heartless and an absolute monster

she came to wish our!Ciel a happy birthday in ch14 and she even manage to make a hunting game happen for the occasion

she thought it would be nice if our!Ciel were to go on a vacation with her family, so he could free his mind from work

if you’re somehow implying that she meant to use either occasion to kill him, then I doubt we’re reading the same manga?

I mean, even if you were to imply that “Frances is ambitious and wanted the Watchdog duty for herself so she annihilated her brother’s family”, canon itself proves you wrong:

…because clearly this is not the face of someone who sees the Watchdog duty as something that is enjoyable to be involved with.

Finally, even if you were to argue that “Frances killed her brother and his family in order to free Lizzie from ever becoming the next Watchdog’s wife”, then this also makes no sense, because…

…I doubt Vincent could make the engagement happen or remain without Frances’ complete approval. xD

Again, no offense Anon, I have nothing against crack theories but at least make them a little logical in regards to the characters involved?
I don’t know if you’ve got something against her character and her severe attitude, but please consider that she’s possibly been through a lot too, almost just like our!Ciel, so this is a bit unfair to accuse her without a single hint.

I hope this is understandable, have a nice day Anon!

Yana keeps adding too much mysteries and solves too few of them, so she’s driving her fans crazy. As an example, we have been in a flashback arc for a while, and no one ever speaks OC real name. Anon is desperate, and clinging to whatever theory comes in his/her mind. I feel the pain. Hang on, dear Kuro fan fellow. The answers will come. Eventually.

@bianoleto83

I mean, I get it, really I do, so I won’t blame Anon either but to me, Frances feels like one of the few allies who could always understand Ciel and not be after his soul or a mass-murderer at the same time, which means she’s pretty high level as a character in Kuroshitsuji. xD

Ciel gotta have allies who are on a similar level of knowledge and realization as he is, otherwise it would be boring.

Anyway, again I don’t blame anyone for getting crazy theories about whoever wanted Vincent dead. Myself I didn’t really understand the theory indicating the twin as a possible guilty party until this month’s chapter, so for all I know Frances might become a suspect one day.
It’s just that right now, I wouldn’t cast the shadow of suspicion over her since I really don’t think we were given any hint and I want to believe Ciel still has his alive family as a reliable support. 🙂

That’s just me though. As always, anyone is free to see it their way! 😀

Maybe Francis is one attacker? If the RC mastermind theory is correct, i doubt he would have trusted a stranger to do the worst and no one would have surprised by the aunt coming for the birthdays. maybe thats why tanaka says he doesn’t know the culprit when clearly he lies.

I mean… No offense Anon, but at this point in the story, this… doesn’t make sense? x)

I don’t even know if I’m supposed to take you seriously. xD First of all, about the RC mastermind theory, I’m still looking for an explanation as to why real!Ciel would have knowingly participated in the attack on December 14th (if we’re excluding that he was born with sociopathic tendencies), but at least there are moments that could be interpreted as fishy where he is concerned.

Frances though, I completely fail to see your point and I doubt there is any. What are you even basing your idea on?

We never saw any hint that Frances and Vincent didn’t get along

on the contrary, they seemed to have the most healthy sibling dynamic so far (which is way too ironic btw, considering how dehumanizing the Watchdog duty can get).
In fact, considering Lizzie’s engagement to Vincent’s heir, it seems rather obvious that she always did what she could to help her brother and his heir.

I know she always appears to be cold, but that doesn’t mean she’s heartless and an absolute monster

she came to wish our!Ciel a happy birthday in ch14 and she even manage to make a hunting game happen for the occasion
she thought it would be nice if our!Ciel were to go on a vacation with her family, so he could free his mind from work

if you’re somehow implying that she meant to use either occasion to kill him, then I doubt we’re reading the same manga?

I mean, even if you were to imply that “Frances is ambitious and wanted the Watchdog duty for herself so she annihilated her brother’s family”, canon itself proves you wrong:

…because clearly this is not the face of someone who sees the Watchdog duty as something that is enjoyable to be involved with.

Finally, even if you were to argue that “Frances killed her brother and his family in order to free Lizzie from ever becoming the next Watchdog’s wife”, then this also makes no sense, because…

…I doubt Vincent could make the engagement happen or remain without Frances’ complete approval. xD

Again, no offense Anon, I have nothing against crack theories but at least make them a little logical in regards to the characters involved?
I don’t know if you’ve got something against her character and her severe attitude, but please consider that she’s possibly been through a lot too, almost just like our!Ciel, so this is a bit unfair to accuse her without a single hint.

I hope this is understandable, have a nice day Anon!