How did blavat know/see that Sebastian isn’t human? Or was it just a guess?

Hello Anon! Soooo recap time but Bravat is most likely a normal human…

who was told in advance (by the mastermind behind the blue sect, whoever they are) about both our!Ciel and Sebastian. 

That’s how…

he knew about both the contract and Sebastian’s true nature. He wasn’t a true deviner at all, so all that he said to Ciel, Liz and Seb were things he was very probably told to say when he would meet them.

I hope this helps, have a nice day Anon! :))

midnight-in-town:

Ch14 & ch108: parallels?

As a follow up to this post about what the family lineage might be.

I definitely spoke about this before, when ch108 came out and for an old analysis I did of Frances’ character, but it’s been over two years since then and lately I was wondering once more…

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…if what awoke within Ciel during the arc in Germany, allowing him to see the Shinigamis, was activated only from time to time or became permanent.

Thus here’s a reminder of the parallel between Frances and Ciel both staring at Seb’s face for no particular reason (Ciel more than Frances, since he literally said it was nothing when Frances called Seb names afterwards), when they both share the Phantomhive lineage.

I can’t be sure whether it was made on purpose or not (I do agree it sounds super random though), but I personally always took that part (above) from ch108 as a possible hint that the lineage thing somehow activated in ch103 and is now permanent, meaning that Ciel’s eyes can see things that he couldn’t before: 

  • like shinigamis even when they’re supposedly hiding themselves from humans
  • and possibly even through Seb’s human disguise as well.

TL;DR what runs for generations in the Phantomhive family may be the ability to spot either just Shinigamis or supernatural beings in general, and: 

Feel free to share your thoughts!

No but seriously though, Bravat aside (no matter if he can really see through Seb’s disguise despite being a human), what if…

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that’s more or less how Frances sees Seb, thanks to the Phantomhive lineage???

Hence why she’d not only criticize his hair (even if she doesn’t like bangs on everybody so it’s not really a hint) but also his face, when humans in general will describe him as good looking?

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Maybe the lineage only allows Phantomhives to notice Shinigamis or maybe it allows more than that? Mayyyyybeeee?

((Imagine Frances’ reaction tho, if she had a way to know Seb was a demon from the first time she saw him: her brother’s family was thought to have been completely annihilated but it turned out that one of her nephews survived…..! Except that he came back with his soul chained to a demon. Poor Frances T_T))

Has there been given an explanation how Undertaker’s lockets are pure silver, but they are actually golden in colour? Logically I would assume they are gold plated, but I don’t see the point of it, if he actual things are real silver.

Oh good question! They are indeed golden in color… But you know…

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I thought they were silver before because the note by the translators in ch85 says that a hallmark warrants the quality of silver items but… now that I think about it and after checking on the internet to be even surer, hallmarks also exist for the quality of gold, platinium and palladium items.

So the Undertaker’s lockets are very probably made of gold and not silver.

Wow Anon, thanks! 😀 Without you, I would have never noticed that! 

So the hallmarks of ch85 indicate the purity of the gold used to make those lockets, while Bravat’s bracelets as said in chapter 111 are in pure silver… 

In any case, gold and silver (along with platinium and palladium) are precious metals, so the degree of purity both for the Undertaker’s lockets and Bravat’s bracelets is probably the hint, instead of which element was used as I was initially thinking.

This is very interesting and I love this new element, particularly because gold as a color and in symbolism has an even stronger meaning than silver. How very accurate for the Undertaker’s “treasure”…!  

Thanks a lot for passing by and for helping with the new info Anon, this just made my day! ^^ 

Take care! 😀 

Maybe I just made a dumb observation and it doesn’t mean anything, but the « shadow » that is holding unto Ciel in Bravats explanation looks nothing like Sebastians demonic shadow. Even in his demonic shadow state, he has a peculiar look to him, and his body is allot more defined and physical with shadows wafting off of it, in comparison, the shadow around Ciel on the other hand is just that, a strange shadow with animalistic clawns and a « face », the rest is nothing but shadow/darkness.

Hello! (Kuro observations are never dumb you know? ;)) You mean this right?

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Yes, I think I see what you mean, even though I wouldn’t say it looks “nothing” like Seb’s demonic shadow.  There are a lot of similarities, it just is less, hmm… defined around the edges I’d say (especially the face).

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I think the very first panel above is definitely what Bravat is seeing when he looks at Ciel (hence why he probably knew at first glance what was up with them) but… how can I put it simply, it’s probably just the shadow of Seb’s demonic appearance and darkness and not Sebastian the demon directly.

When you see how this shadow creeps behind Ciel, having one hand over his left eye where the seal is, I think it’s related to Seb without a doubt, but that what Bravat is seeing is just Sebastian’s and the contract’s aura/mark/vibe, whatever you want to call it.

Sebastian in itself is one thing as a true demon (and I really wonder how Bravat sees him), but when it comes to Ciel, who is technically human but whose soul is compromised by a demonic contract, I’m pretty sure that this less defined shadow is the influence Sebastian and the contract have on Ciel’s life and soul. 🙂

Or it could be that Bravat just can’t see Sebastian’s complete demonic form: I’ve seen several times and in different stories how Demons and Angels’ true form can trigger blindness for human who’d dare set eyes on them.
…Bravat’s eyes seem supernatural though, so maybe he’s protected in a way and that’s why he sees only a blurrier shadow of Sebastian. 

That’s how I see it personally 🙂 but if anyone else has a better idea, feel free to share!

I hope it makes sense and that it helps a little! Take care 🙂 

Bravat’s Curious Hand Gesture

thedarkestcrow:

eviltwintheory:

When Bravat tells Sebastian that he can see that Sebastian isn’t human simply by looking, he makes a gesture with his fingers around his eye.

During my first reading, I just thought he was emphasizing  the ‘that much,’ as if saying it wasn’t a big deal about Sebastian’s true identity. However, he does the same thing when looking at Ciel.

Is there any point to this? It almost as if he’s creating a lens around his eye when looking at a person. I’m curious if there is a reason.

It looks a bit like the “A-ok” hand sign (

👌 ), only that Bravat’s thumb and index finger don’t connect. Apparently, among occultists it’s a sign for the devil since one could see the number 666 in it. And it’s also associated with the Illuminati and Freemasonry.

What is the “Fourth Saturday”?

erebuscheslock:

[Spoilers for Chap. 111]

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@erebuscheslock

Could be that, it’s actually really interesting, but personally I just thought “Fourth Saturday” meant the last saturday of August, since we know it’s the end of August and there are four weeks in one month. 🙂 

I don’t know but maybe Bravat and Co just like to do something creepy for the last saturday of each month lol. Those hooded guys are creepy though, I’ll give you that, so maybe something will happen to all those people at the sphere music hall in the next chapter. 🙂 

Ch 110 Review: Bucket

into–the–abyss:

rationalkuroshitsuji:

rationalkuroshitsuji:

One of my favorite details from chapter 110 is that there is a bucket sitting next to Bravat’s chair that he pours the contents of his cup into after every fortune telling.

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Whether or not Bravat has mystical powers of fortune telling, one thing is true: at the end of the night, he has a bucket with drops of blood of all the people who sat down to have their fortune told.

Maybe Bravat really can tell a person’s fortune from a drop of their blood, and the bucket is just there for convenience and nothing special happens to its contents. But since we don’t know much about what’s going on yet, we can’t discount the possibility that telling fortunes is just an excuse for collecting blood for some other nefarious purpose.

(Chapter 110 can be purchased in English for $2 where fine ebooks are sold.)

The bucket showed up again in chapter 111, in an entire panel of its own. By the law of Chekhov’s gun, there’s totally something going on with this. 

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(Chapter 111 can be purchased in English for $2 where fine ebooks are sold.)

As soon as I saw the bucket get highlighted in 111, I thought of your post!

The Vega star?

dorkshadows:

In chapter 111, Bravat mentioned 4 rare protection stars: Sirus (discussed in relation to Ciel

here

), Canopus (discussed in relation to Lizzie

here

), Vega, and Polaris. (Sebastian and the black hole is discussed here)

So this leaves us with Vega and Polaris. I’ll start with investigating Vega- there are actually 4 characters who could be under it, but I’m sure Yana will only choose one in the end.

Astrology:

If Rising: Avengers of crimes and in charge of public courts and inquires. If Saturn is in any aspect with Vega when rising, the native will pursue this vocation with a fanaticism to the point of utilizing tortures and executions to stamp out what he considers evil

With Sun: Critical, abrupt, reserved, unpopular, fleeting honors, influential position, insincere friends. If with Mars also, above the earth, and the Moon be with Procyon, death from the bite of a mad dog

With Mercury: Suspicious, reserved, bitter, thwarted ambitions, double dealing, secret enemies in influential positions, trouble with the mother, loss in business. 

With Mars: Scientific interests, unpopular opinions, moral courage, favorable for gain. 

With Saturn: Strong passions, opinionated, original, many Mercurial difficulties, reputation suffers through wrongful accusations, trouble with superiors, domestic difficulties, few, if any, children, latter half of life more favorable, sudden death

There are two characters this calls to mind: Vincent and Claudia Phantomhive.

For Vincent, we don’t know what kind of watchdog he was, but we know he had a dark streak about him and seemed to be the type who enjoys punishing his foes. A dark, almost obsessive avenger of crime suits him well. 

He’s also an aloof (judging from everyone’s flashbacks), mysterious character who knows how to manipulate and use others (see: Diederich lol). Diederich and Klaus (for now anyway) seem to really have affection for Vincent, but that doesn’t mean everyone he associates with does. 

If he himself is insincere, it’s likely he has a lot of insincere allies too. Whoever killed him must have known some intimate detail about his household. Maybe one of the watchdog’s “dogs” finally bit him back. Still, Vincent has different sides to himself- the doting father/husband and the cold watchdog. He has double sides.

Lastly, Ciel knows nothing about his grandmother other than her name, which suggests a rocky relationship between Claudia and Vincent. 

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Crack theory/prediction?

dorkshadows:

So there’s been some talk about Sebastian’s expression in ch. 111, namely this part ( @eviltwintheory made some interesting speculation here) :

We could argue that Sebastian is just irritated or confused here, but no matter how you look at it, you have to admit he’s not happy about this. 

What I noticed is that the people in the background look weird, like really weird. Like a mob out of a horror movie, barely human at all. It could just be an artistic choice to show how emotional they’re being, but we’ve never seen Yana draw anyone this way until now.

This mob might be wearing Victorian clothes, but they’re not acting all that rational for people living in 1889. Replace the clothes with 1500s fashion, 1300s fashion, B.C fashion, etc. And the exact same scene would still make sense.

Here’s my crack theory: this has happened to Sebastian before.

To have a bunch of people accept him one minute and then turn him on the next (and apparently, unprovoked in this case). And the even crackier(?) part of this theory: he didn’t comment or even think about it too much because he always expected something like this to happen at some point, which could even explain why he was so shocked when actual people were happy to see him alive in the Murder arc.

The Bracelets/Amulets

thedarkestcrow:

I’ve already written a post about chapter 111

where I talked about the bracelets that are given to those who get their future told by Bravat (here). But I noticed a few more things about the bracelets that I want to share:

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I’ve already mentioned that the letters on the outer ring of the amulet most likely stand for the months of a year. And the needle points to July.

@into–the–abyss had the idea that the inner ring could show the days of a month and I think that’s very likely. So the needle probably points to not only a month but also a specific day. Now it’s hard to tell to which day exactly the needle points since the numbers are very small. But here’s another picture of the amulet:

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On the left side of the inner ring you can see the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,… (counterclockwise). In the first picture there’s a number that could be a “12″ two or so fields to the right of where the needle is. So the date the needle points to is probably something between July 8th and July 10th.

But the question remains: What does the date stand for?

It’s not the current time. In the Green Witch arc we’ve seen Hilde’s date of death being August 17th, so it’s already later now. Ciel’s birthday is December 14th, so that’s also out of the question. A date that’s very close is the death of Claudia Phantomhive which was at a July 13th. But it looks as if the date of the amulet isn’t exactly the 13th and why would it be connected to Claudia’s date of death?

Maybe the date refers to Sirius, the star that Bravat says is Ciel’s divine protection. On July 5th Sirius and the Sun are in one line with the Earth. And the so-called “dog days” – an expression for hot days in summer – which begin at the end of July are also associated with Sirius (as the Dog Star). The appearance of Sirius in the night sky in late July was thought to bring the heat.

There’s another thought that came to me when thinking about the meaning of the date. If it doesn’t show the owner’s birthday (past) and it doesn’t show the actual date (present), either, maybe it shows an event in the future. Since Bravat is a fortune teller that would be fitting. So maybe this date around July 10th will be Ciel’s date of death…?