This is just my opinion but I’m assuming that by “specialist”, Hide/Scarecrow is thinking about someone who knows about what happened with the Nagaraj (a hundred years ago or so) since, as Dragon, Kaneki’s situation definitely parallels the Nagaraj’s so far [x][x].
As for who the specialist may be…
A doctor with knowledge about ghoul biology: Kanou, Chigyou, Shiba?
Or Ogura since he was called a specialist before, even if he wasn’t exactly one? Could be anyone from the Great Wheel act too, or even Kimi, since she’s been researching about ghouls as well.
It’s also not impossible that the specialist in question might be a ghoul: someone from the Clowns’ gang maybe? With all the information she has, Itori might know a few things and she had no role in :Re yet, but I guess Donato could also be a suspect since he knows many things.
Shachi and Eto might not be extremely relevant to this situation, but I’d feel bad leaving them out since we still don’t know if they’re dead or not.
Considering that Furuta’s plan with Dragoneki was supposed to bring ghouls and humans together though…
…I’d rather bet on a specialist that’s not exactly human, so I’m all for Hide maybe mentioning one of the Clowns, especially since we can’t be sure he isn’t acquainted with them [x][x] and we still don’t know how he managed to escape from the sewers back in TG, if he apparently couldn’t heal. 😉
Or
Or…
Frankly I’m not betting on Kanou or any other doctor so much, which only leaves the other two groups, but I’m almost certain that the Clowns have some info as to what happened during the last similar conflict (with the Nagaraj), when the Great Wheel act might not, which is why my preference goes to the Clowns (on top of the fact that Hide most likely has an agenda and thus could be acquainted with both groups anyway).
This is just my opinion but I’m assuming that by “specialist”, Hide/Scarecrow is thinking about someone who knows about what happened with the Nagaraj (a hundred years ago or so) since, as Dragon, Kaneki’s situation definitely parallels the Nagaraj’s so far [x][x].
As for who the specialist may be…
A doctor with knowledge about ghoul biology: Kanou, Chigyou, Shiba?
Or Ogura since he was called a specialist before, even if he wasn’t exactly one? Could be anyone from the Great Wheel act too, or even Kimi, since she’s been researching about ghouls as well.
It’s also not impossible that the specialist in question might be a ghoul: someone from the Clowns’ gang maybe? With all the information she has, Itori might know a few things and she had no role in :Re yet, but I guess Donato could also be a suspect since he knows many things.
Shachi and Eto might not be extremely relevant to this situation, but I’d feel bad leaving them out since we still don’t know if they’re dead or not.
Considering that Furuta’s plan with Dragoneki was supposed to bring ghouls and humans together though…
…I’d rather bet on a specialist that’s not exactly human, so I’m all for Hide maybe mentioning one of the Clowns, especially since we can’t be sure he isn’t acquainted with them [x][x] and we still don’t know how he managed to escape from the sewers back in TG, if he apparently couldn’t heal. 😉
Mostly because I got a few questions on the subject and there are more and more theories going around, so I wanted to explain more properly what my personal opinion on the subject is at this point.
No need to point out why it’s obvious with Donato (since he does look old), but so far in the story we’ve had some suspicious hints that it might be the case for both Itori (more theories about her [x][x])…
and Nico (please see @k-kuja‘s post), while it was confirmed in :Re ch135 that Roma is older than she looks.
In the meantime, Uta is the only Clown for whom it’s the other way around: he’s been hinted several times at (or he lied about) being the same age as he looks like…
but he was also the one who was hinted to be particularly important, mysterious and to maybe have a link to the underground king or Nagaraj [recap post]:
So, as I explained here before, here’s my take on what might be going on with Uta: if he is the Nagaraj, then he’s literally “the king of snakes” (see his different tattoos) => think of something like “snakes shedding their skin” throughout their life (especially since it seems clones are involved), so maybe the Uta we know isn’t exactly the original Uta from 100 years ago.
The other possibility is linked to Kanou saying the CCG was “evil” and it seems to have to do with ghoulification experiments. On top of that, the ghoul who killed Yasuhisa Nanao and his wife (sent by V) looked like a younger Uta, so:
maybe Uta was a kid who received the legendary OEG’s kakuhou because of the CCG/V’s experiments?
or maybe there truly are “clones” involved somehow (seeing that panel of ch34 and that special ability that at least Uta and Donato have) and in that case, it might be like “snakes shedding their skin” and the Uta we know is a copy/clone of the original Uta who was the 100 years old OEG.
That would explain why Uta answered “I don’t know” when Yomo asked him how he got so strong, why he knows how to clone himself, or even why he wanted friends “closer to his age” (because all the Clowns are older and he’s really in his 30s, but because he has a link to the 100 years old OEG, he’s friends with the older Clowns).
Or maybe he lied and he’s actually older than he looks too. Hard to say right now. x)
I hope it makes things slightly more understandable. Don’t hesitate to ask if anything is unclear!
@eto-when-and-where LMAO I’m dying, because remember how everyone kept making parallels between this arc and the Anteiku Raid arc?
V14 => E14
Arima => Juuzou
Kaneki => Touka
Well, at some point people went as far as to say that, if Touka ever needed to heal and regenerate then her body might try to eat her baby, which would parallel Kaneki eating Hide and didn’t you have a theory about Itori maybe being Hide’s mom? xDDDD
Hence the… moles on the breasts surely. So you know, I kinda live for crack theories like this even if the chances that it ever happens are quite low ! xDDDDD
So, am I the only one who thinks that the background on Itori’s Root A card looks like that city down in the 24th ward?
And let’s not mention the “3 dots” thing. I mean, guys…
…Seriously she’s…
…
shady
as hell!
I know I’ve theorized for a little while now that the Nagaraj might be Uta since he always had a bigger presence than her in the story, amongst other things, but frankly she’s clearly my second suspect.
Hello Anon and thanks for reading. 🙂 Please check her tag for more posts about her because I’m literally addressing all of your questions in the very first page of her tag so far. Here’s a quick mad summary tho:
Roma = Itori’s “protégée” and Roma = 50+ years old
=> so maybe Itori is older than she looks which would go with her introduction when she yelled that she was an old lady (joke or not?)
similarly Yomo couldn’t answer Kaneki when he asked ‘what kind of person’ Itori was and Yomo “doesn’t understand jokes” according to Uta, which is making me highly suspicious of her
no real idea whether Itori is blood-related to Hide, Rio or the kids in the 24th ward, but Itori’s mask has the 4 deck symbols (and each symbol = one kagune type in the TG trump cards) and 3 dots:
Rio has 4 kagune types
Hide and the 24th ward kids have the 3 dots
Roma probably came from the 24th ward as well
so maybe she’s a mentor figure to kids from the 24th ward, if she’s not blood related to Hide, Rio and/or the 3 kids Ayato found?
in that case she might be the Witch to Hide’s role of the “Witch’s servant” in that childhood play with Kaneki, which would also fit because he’s very good at collecting info
also she knows a lot about hybrid pregnancies, looked sad (?) while speaking about it and the cover of TG ch34 may depict a funeral for someone close to Itori
maybe she lost some of/all her own hybrid babies??
thus maybe that’s why she’s the mentor/older sister figure of kids who were originally from the 24th ward? => they become a part of her information network
I’m personally hoping she’ll have a role to play towards Touka’s own hybrid pregnancy
Please go read @eto-when-and-where‘s post: In The Penisman by Sensei, Itori’s lookalike was the mother of Hide’s lookalike
((and also she was the wife of the Penisman I think??? which is super funny because Uta once ate a dick in canon and ’you are what you eat’ lmao => /! be careful, with Ishida I can’t be sure that it isn’t actually going to become relevant at some point))
“naga” => link to the Nagaraj?? who most likely has a link to the Washuus?
“chika” => link to Washuu Yoshitoki’s real first name (”Chika”)??
“hide” => nah nothing
“yoshi” => link to the kanji (same reading) that every Washuu director add to their given name (Chika => Yoshitoki, Nimura => Kichimura)??
so if Hide somehow is blood-related to Itori, then maybe his dad is Washuu Yoshitoki?? Or Itori is just a mentor figure to some kids from the 24th ward like Hide could be.
There you go, pick up whatever crack theory you prefer LMAO! As I said 10 days ago, it’s really just thoughts at the moment, nothing can be certain, but for now I’m personally more rooting for a symbolic link between Hide and Itori (her being an older sister/mentor figure and teaching him how to gather info), rather than a blood relation.
Have a nice day. ^^
Hi! Ooooh thanks! So she’s Penisman’s mom, not his wife, that’s good to know. ^_^ Itori canonically is a ghoul or a OEG though, so that’s a difference between that and the Penisman.
To be honest though, the reason I’m also more vouching of a symbolic link between Itori and Hide over a blood relation is the same reason I was really vouching for the Scarecrow theory: I like the idea that Hide is a normal human (with a relatively high intelligence obviously), because we don’t have so many of them with an important role in the series.
Same for Suzuya, I know he’s strong and that there are theories about him being a “half human”, but I’d really prefer if he could remain a normal but very strong human.
Ah, I guess we’ll see… Thanks again for the info Anon. ^_^ Have a nice day!
However, I believe Itori called Kaneki “Kaneki-chi” once in ch34, which is just the result of adding the familiar/friendly/cute suffix “chi” to his name.
I hope it helps! Have a nice day 🙂
Hello! Well, I wouldn’t say that she’s smiling widely either, to me it looks like she has a peaceful expression while Uta looks neutral and Yomo looks as usual. xD
Keep in mind that’s it’s just a crack theory, but the kind of frames she’s holding is the one you use for funerals in Japan. Maybe they’re not burying someone but something (like the fact they initially didn’t get along…) but frankly we don’t have any hint, besides the fact that these 3 are supposedly close friends.
You don’t have to agree Anon. 🙂 Have a nice day!
Hello 🙂 Well, I started considering that she might have 4 kagune types after Shikorae was confirmed as Rio, but…
…In the TG trump cards deck, she’s sorted with the Ukaku type (even if there is a lil something on her card that might also indicate that she could be a bikaku somehow).
So I don’t know for sure, but if the 4 deck symbols don’t mean something relating to her kagune types, then we’re back to square one as to what the design of her mask hints at.
As for her teeth, well, to be fair, she’s literally a part of my avatar icon here xD and her mask has me wondering about her all the time, so I was just bound to notice, hahah!
Hello Anon and thanks for reading. 🙂 Please check her tag for more posts about her because I’m literally addressing all of your questions in the very first page of her tag so far. Here’s a quick mad summary tho:
Roma = Itori’s “protégée” and Roma = 50+ years old
=> so maybe Itori is older than she looks which would go with her introduction when she yelled that she was an old lady (joke or not?)
similarly Yomo couldn’t answer Kaneki when he asked ‘what kind of person’ Itori was and Yomo “doesn’t understand jokes” according to Uta, which is making me highly suspicious of her
no real idea whether Itori is blood-related to Hide, Rio or the kids in the 24th ward, but Itori’s mask has the 4 deck symbols (and each symbol = one kagune type in the TG trump cards) and 3 dots:
Rio has 4 kagune types
Hide and the 24th ward kids have the 3 dots
Roma probably came from the 24th ward as well
so maybe she’s a mentor figure to kids from the 24th ward, if she’s not blood related to Hide, Rio and/or the 3 kids Ayato found?
in that case she might be the Witch to Hide’s role of the “Witch’s servant” in that childhood play with Kaneki, which would also fit because he’s very good at collecting info
also she knows a lot about hybrid pregnancies, looked sad (?) while speaking about it and the cover of TG ch34 may depict a funeral for someone close to Itori
maybe she lost some of/all her own hybrid babies??
thus maybe that’s why she’s the mentor/older sister figure of kids who were originally from the 24th ward? => they become a part of her information network
I’m personally hoping she’ll have a role to play towards Touka’s own hybrid pregnancy
Please go read @eto-when-and-where‘s post: In The Penisman by Sensei, Itori’s lookalike was the mother of Hide’s lookalike
((and also she was the wife of the Penisman I think??? which is super funny because Uta once ate a dick in canon and ’you are what you eat’ lmao => /! be careful, with Ishida I can’t be sure that it isn’t actually going to become relevant at some point))
“naga” => link to the Nagaraj?? who most likely has a link to the Washuus?
“chika” => link to Washuu Yoshitoki’s real first name (”Chika”)??
“hide” => nah nothing
“yoshi” => link to the kanji (same reading) that every Washuu director add to their given name (Chika => Yoshitoki, Nimura => Kichimura)??
so if Hide somehow is blood-related to Itori, then maybe his dad is Washuu Yoshitoki?? Or Itori is just a mentor figure to some kids from the 24th ward like Hide could be.
There you go, pick up whatever crack theory you prefer LMAO! As I said 10 days ago, it’s really just thoughts at the moment, nothing can be certain, but for now I’m personally more rooting for a symbolic link between Hide and Itori (her being an older sister/mentor figure and teaching him how to gather info), rather than a blood relation.
Hello 🙂 Haha I love her as well and, while I can’t imagine Uta having kids…
Itori always seemed very knowledgeable about hybrid pregnancies, so I always thought that maybe something related to that happened to her and…
…Since this cover seemed to represent the funeral of someone Itori knew (since she’s the one holding the picture), I kept imagining that maybe she lost one or several babies because they were hardly viable hybrid pregnancies (hence why she knows so much on the subject)…
Of course this post is a crack theory and maybe these children have nothing to do with her (and it’s just Ishida’s drawing style making me think there is a resemblance), but still, I do believe she might be older than she looks and considering that she called Roma her protégée and that Roma…
…probably originally came from the 24th ward, I’m wondering if Itori might not have been a mentor/older sister figure for a few kids who originally were from the 24th ward.
Maybe that’s why Roma was her protégée, because Roma was “only” 50+ years old and was just a kid from the 24th ward when Itori already was an adult and so Itori took her under her wing. And maybe that’s also the possible link between Itori and Hide, maybe they’re not blood related like @eto-when-and-where theorized, but they are linked, because he learnt from her how to gather information…
…because he was another protégée of hers, if he really came from the 24th ward.
EDIT: remember TG ch143? Itori said “according to my information, the CCG’s policy this time was complete extermination […]” but Furuta was next to her, so it seems weird to think he was the one who brought that info, especially when he didn’t participate in the operation. However, Hide did participate and was following Marude who was one of the commanders, so maybe he’s the one who told her about “complete extermination”.
And finally…
…there are those 3 dots.
So it’s really just thoughts at the moment, nothing can be certain, but thanks for sharing yours too. ^^ For now I’m personally more rooting for a symbolic link between Hide and Itori due to the 24th ward rather than a blood relation, but I’ll keep both in mind, in case they really do have a link in the first place. 🙂
Thanks again Anon, have a nice day!
Hello Anon! Well, in the first place I don’t think there is such a thing as loyalty in the Clowns’ gang because… Well, because they’re not a hierarchical organization like Aogiri or the CCG.
The Clowns do what they want…
and most of the time they act on their own, probably because they all have their reasons for being a part of this, even if at the end, they’re all interested in finding out what the outcome of this war will be (coexistence? or the annihilation of one of the two sides?).
Basically you can wonder about if the Clowns are loyal to Furuta (who’s not exactly 100% one of them, in my opinion), but in my opinion it’s a bit pointless to wonder about each Clown’s loyalty to the rest of them because they always did what they wanted and it works that way.
Look at Nico introducing Kaneki’s side to the Great Wheel Act as a “favor”, Furuta had no idea they did this, but they wanted to do this so they did it and I really don’t think that makes them a traitor. So it’s the same where Uta is concerned: if he wants to give advice to Yomo (assuming it’s him), I don’t see why he can’t do it despite being a Clown, especially since ultimately the Clowns are just all working towards an ending, just like Furuta’s side and Kaneki’s are.
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