So, am I the only one who thinks that the background on Itori’s Root A card looks like that city down in the 24th ward?
And let’s not mention the “3 dots” thing. I mean, guys…
…Seriously she’s…
…
shady
as hell!
I know I’ve theorized for a little while now that the Nagaraj might be Uta since he always had a bigger presence than her in the story, amongst other things, but frankly she’s clearly my second suspect.
Honestly, I’m still rooting for a link between Itori, 24th ward kids and Hide. There is still something unexplained about the Nagaraj “sharing his life force with the world” and we don’t know where those kids came from (where are their parents?).
Secondly, about Itori and Hide, I find it fishy that Itori seemed to know about the pregnancy while Hide found out about the wedding when no one told either. There is also the fact that Hide knew exactly where to find Touka and co after Itori left them.
And then there is Hide’s shady act in general when the Clowns and V are the last two mysterious groups of the story, but Hide being with V would contradict the idea that he was “in the way of the Washuus”, which possibly leaves a link between Hide and the Clowns (and btw “Nagachika” when we just learnt that the Nagaraj was a Washuu and that he looked like Uta who is a Clown is one more hint, for me).
and who probably knows more than she told Kaneki in ch34 (was she a Washuu hybrid from the sunlit garden, like Rize? or was she pregnant with hybrid babies at some point and she lost them?).
So yeah, I’m sure she will be back, she wasn’t explained yet and…
TL;DR I still think Itori may have a role to play towards Touka’s pregnancy, but saving Kaneki (”within the next 72 hours”) is first. Once it’s done and Kaneki is back, then before V takes the stage as the big bad, surely we’ll go back to…
Might be bit bummer to know Itori would let Yomo die if Uta didn’t decide to stop him but I don’t find it disappointing as it isn’t surprising in least.
Short verions: They might be unholy trinity but Yomo is Uta’s friend and she is friend with Yomo trough Uta because Itori has always been Uta’s friend.
This is not to be taken wrong way though. Not saying Itori and Yomo don’t have any sort of friendship between two without Uta, but they wouldn’t even be friends if it wasn’t for Uta as Itori was with Uta since always and it was Uta who befriended Yomo so it is quite clear how did Itori and Yomo ended up being friends as well.
Take real life situation for example. Lets say you have a friend, one with who you hang out with and know. Then your friend introduces you to their friend and you two also become friends because of common friend you share but at end of day you still end up being friends of each other’s friend.
Again not to be taken wrong way as you can end up being far better friends with your friend’s friend then friend you two got in common but if we look at how Yomo and Itori end up hanging out at all …
xD Then is it surprising that it was Uta who decided to save his friend and Itori decided to tag along because of it.
From everything we saw in manga and even this omake when it comes to this trio, Yomo never seeks Itori nor does she him. If they end up hanging out at all is because they both seek or are with same person when they bump into each other. Uta.
Their relationship sums up in:
Yomo – little brother everyone plays prank on. (being Yomo is suffering)
Itori – annoying older sister that loves teasing little brother most. (again being Yomo is suffering)
Uta – babysitter that needs to babysit these two when they’re together. (being Uta is suffering as well)
Itori and Yomo are long-term friends that have history but they both have bigger connection with Uta then each other since he is reason how they ended up befriending and how they end up hanging out with each other.
Which is why relationship between Itori and Uta is one I’m interested in most. We know how did he and Yomo became friends and we can conclude how did Itori and Yomo ended up being friends as well from it.
But how did Itori and Uta end up together in first place? Especially because Itori might be far older then she looks and she might have connections to Underground King. So what is even deal between two? Is thing I’m far more interested in.
Hi! Tbh, as I was explaining here I rather think it’s a possible hint that Uta might be someone important enough to Itori that she’d feel the need to be helpful. I mean, look, it’s not the first time she specifically gets involved because he is…
And so in the recent chapter…
it could be the same thing, even if I agree that it isn’t nice that she got to carry Yomo who must be heavy. xD Truth be told, I was wondering if maybe she ended up carrying him because Uta got exhausted after fighting Dragoneki to rescue Yomo or carrying him all the way up until Itori came to help him? I don’t know but maybe there is an actual reason she ended up being the one to carry Yomo.
Aside from that, I never wrote any theory about Itori and Touka just because of that one mole-on-breast thing that they share lol, rather I wrote about a possible parallel because…
Itori knows about hybrid pregnancies and thus might help Touka with making her own pregnancy viable, but even that is just a theory that might get confirmed or denied within the next chapters, I guess.
Thanks for passing by Anon and have a nice day!
LMAO but wait Anon, for real I didn’t mean to make it sound like that!
I mean, feel free to ship them if you want, but I feel (if that part wasn’t mistranslated) that Itori simply looks up to the one she refers to as her “king”…
…because of what he accomplished or represented, but that person could be the Nagaraj just like it could be Furuta, since Furuta was the “king” that the Clowns were helping recently, or someone else. So you see, in the first place we can’t even be sure that this person is Uta, so I definitely wasn’t vouching for Itori and Uta to have a thing between them.
Maybe she simply helped Uta and Yomo because they’ve been friends for a long time and that comment about “loving [her] king” is referring to someone entirely different (Furuta, Kaneki, someone from the past… again if it wasn’t mistranslated).
And besides, let’s say she actually had/has a crush on Uta (in the theory that he’s the Nagaraj and that she was talking about him), it doesn’t mean that he ever reciprocated her feelings anyway.
So my bad, I’m really fond of the theory that the Clowns are older than they look and that the Nagaraj is Uta, but it remains a rather cracky theory to this day and we can’t exactly be sure that it’s who Itori was talking about in that panel above.
I hope it makes more sense that way. Sorry for the confusion and have a nice day Anon!
Hi! And yep you’re right! But there is still her handsome friend left for the role and besides I still think she’s important one way or another (=> her mask). 😉
No shit, this is an accurate representation of me, upon seeing her in so many panels yesterday:
She’s literally the hottest chica.
I’m in love
It’s not my fault though, I swear, the mysterious femme fatale trope is one I’m sure to fall for every single time so I couldn’t help it.
I’m so happy she was there! 😀 I hope you enjoyed her presence in this chapter too, thanks for passing by Anon!
Hiya! Nah, nah, don’t worry, we’re all allowed to crack theorize and besides, I tend to agree => Please take a look here. 🙂
In the first place, we’re several bloggers to have been vouching for a possible link between Hide and Itori for a few weeks now, even if we don’t have so many hints, whereas before many bloggers also theorize about Hide having a link to Eto. So all in all, you can see that the thought of Hide working completely alone has never been the most popular theory. x)
When it comes to Itori and Hide, I’m leaving you a few posts to read in case you haven’t seen them:
Both of them being the focus of the chapter might be a coincidence or not, only the next chapters will be able to tell us.
I hope it helps, have a nice day Anon! 🙂
Hi! Well, yeah, I do have my doubts about what he said of his actual motivations (= if that’s all there is to it), even if the timing of things isn’t what I’m questioning the most. Please take a look at the following posts:
I’ll just say that in general, considering how much Hide is put on a pedestal, I tend to be quite suspicious of his potential agenda and that’s made even more blatant by the fact we know next to nothing about him.
That’s all I can say so far, though. So we’ll have to wait and see. 🙂
I find it extremely interesting that in this chapter which we can consider to be the beginning of the Sun arc two characters that are heavily associated with the Sun card show up to check on and give a new motivation/quest to our heroes.
Hide reveals his face and helps to discover a new clue about Kanou for investigators and then recruits Amon and Akira to help him deal with Kaneki.
And in the same chapter Itori, of all people, shows up to “motivate” the surviving ghouls.
So basically we have two enigmatic characters – one working with the humans, the other one going for ghoul faction, showing up at the same time to shake things up after Kaneki’s rampage.
And in this chapter we discover that Hide was somehow able to avoid Washuu clan all this time, while hanging around ghouls without raising any suspicions, which means that he must have had someone to help him to blend in and to provide some place to hide.
This looks more and more like Itori and Hide really are connected to each other and Hide can even be her son (so the deisgns of mother and son from Ishida’s previous work repurposed for these two wasn’t just him referencing his older work).
And there are even more hints which are perfectly explained in this post made by @eto-when-and-where
I also find it interesting that Itori immediately noticed that Touka “became more womanly” (she knows about her pregnancy). Will she provide Touka with some information how a ghoul mother can raise a human child?
…I find it strange that, as Hide explained his plan to Amon and Akira (aka to get Kaneki out of his kakuja within the next 72 hours helped by people who won’t want to kill him), at the same time Itori was basically 90% trolling to check if Kaneki’s friends (Touka, Tsukiyama Hina, Nishiki) were ready to go help him out as well.
Tbh I initially wondered about Itori showing up (narratively speaking) because of Touka’s pregnancy more than anything else, but I still am thinking it’s not impossible Hide and Itori are linked to each other and to the 24th ward as well, and thus for both their speeches not to be so random.
Not particularly evident to grasp on a first read but I think I see the whole point of her speaking “such harsh words”.
This post is leaving all theories aside about the Clowns being older than they look, but basically…
the point of Itori’s speech was to see what Kaneki’s side intends to do, now that, by becoming a monster, coexistence and the survival of the ghoul kind are threatened once more.
So Itori created a situation in which she half-lied about Kaneki “sacrificing himself for the ghoul side”
so that she could see what Kaneki’s “people”, or rather, more precisely, what Kaneki’s closest friends were ready to do for him in that situation.
And, while the ghoul crowd cheered Kaneki on and rambled about watching and getting revenge over the humans who “oppressed them”…
…Kaneki’s true friends understood the situation for what it was: Kaneki getting all the blame for becoming a monster and, as we could see with Tsukiyama and Touka, they clearly don’t intend to run away or sit by and watch until the end (Kaneki’s annihilation) comes.
TL;DR Itori’s words had no other point besides triggering a reaction out of Kaneki’s friends, just so that she could evaluate what they were going to do next. That’s what the Clowns continually do. 😉
Hi! I think the simplest explanation is that Yomo knew about Uta and Itori being Clowns for a long time…
and that’s how everyone else knows. There was no reason for him to keep that info to himself, especially when Kaneki faced the Clowns back when he raided one of the CCG’s labs.
Besides, it’s not like any Clown ever hid their true loyalty to their gang, so I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a secret for a long time.
I hope it helps Anon! Have a nice day 🙂
Hello Anon! Are you talking about this scene?
Well, in my opinion, what she said there wasn’t a lie and I have a feeling that she means it in regards to her own situation.
Basically, I’m sorry to be annoying with that theory, but I’m still vouching for the Clowns to be older than they look, meaning that:
I think they have a link to the “king of the underground”/the Nagaraj, that OEG who raised havoc 100 years ago
and that they’ve been around ever since the start of the ghoul vs human conflict 100 years ago, thus why Itori is speaking of “a play coming to an end”.
So, following this theory, maybe the reason that Itori, as a Clown, “will watch this play come to an end” is because “she loves, cares about her king [and that’s why] watching till the end is the least she can do”.
…she helped Uta with his decision to save Yomo when, so far as a Clown, she always stood by and watched.))
Sorry for rambling, my hype just reached a too high level because of Itori, but I hope my explanation was a little helpful.
Have a nice day Anon!
Look just above Anon! I totally agree with you. ^_^
I for one…
…think she wasn’t trolling in that panel and was speaking the truth about her own situation towards her own king (just like she seemed to have had her own experience of complicated hybrid pregnancy? It would be another parallel between her and Touka). 😉
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Anon! Have a nice day!
I mean, look at his right hand in the scene above, he’s rubbing his neck/hair/cheek…
and while it could be a sign that he’s embarrassed about what he just said, we still don’t have an explanation as to why the Washuus were after him in the first place, so I’m not 100% sure that helping Kaneki is the only reason he went as far as he did.
Besides, we still know next to nothing about Hide’s origins to be honest (24th ward? his name?) and…
…Sensei reminded us of that not so long ago, so I personally won’t take his words for being all that there is to it.
Finally, I still think he might have (had?) a link to either Eto or Itori since before becoming “the magician”…
…he was “the witch’s servant” in that chilhood play with Kaneki…
…which is why “changing the world” (in one way or another) might also have been a possible goal of his, in my opinion.
This post doesn’t have to convince anyone, it’s just that I always pictured Hide as a grey character, like the rest of the cast actually, so I don’t want to trust Sensei too quickly when we don’t know much about Hide. xD
Not particularly evident to grasp on a first read but I think I see the whole point of her speaking “such harsh words”.
This post is leaving all theories aside about the Clowns being older than they look, but basically…
the point of Itori’s speech was to see what Kaneki’s side intends to do, now that, by becoming a monster, coexistence and the survival of the ghoul kind are threatened once more.
So Itori created a situation in which she half-lied about Kaneki “sacrificing himself for the ghoul side”
so that she could see what Kaneki’s “people”, or rather, more precisely, what Kaneki’s closest friends were ready to do for him in that situation.
And, while the ghoul crowd cheered Kaneki on and rambled about watching and getting revenge over the humans who “oppressed them”…
…Kaneki’s true friends understood the situation for what it was: Kaneki getting all the blame for becoming a monster and, as we could see with Tsukiyama and Touka, they clearly don’t intend to run away or sit by and watch until the end (Kaneki’s annihilation) comes.
TL;DR Itori’s words had no other point besides triggering a reaction out of Kaneki’s friends, just so that she could evaluate what they were going to do next. That’s what the Clowns continually do. 😉
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