BTW, just lately I was wondering if what Itori is always drinking…
wouldn’t be…
what Sphinx dealt in with the CCG.
I mean, she said…
and yet she’s always seen drinking something. So yep, maybe it’s not blood wine but those liquid solutions, which would explain why she even offered some to Kaneki several times.
Besides, technically blood wine was introduced in the omake of vol12 and we’ve seen Itori (and Kaneki) drinking “blood” way before that.
I’ve seen a lot of stuff about the obvious dragons and kitsune but I don’t recall seeing anything about the phoenix nestled in there too.
They’re the dragon’s counterpart in feng shui symbolism
I wonder who the phoenix could possibly be >:)c
@mawjaw sorry, reblogging again, I’m totally in love with the Touka = Uta’s phoenix tattoo theory, especially since I found proof that
the double headed snake of Uta’s tattoo
is very probably supposed to hint at Kaneki & Rize indeed…
…thanks to that infinity/eight pattern on the Oggai but also on Saiko’s mask made by Uta that @hamliet reminded me of earlier last week.
Seriously I wish I could hate Uta for knowing everything and having represented the whole story in his tattoo set but… I’m afraid I can’t help loving him even more.
Ahhh true true!
Circle’s are also a reoccuring theme across the more ~mysterious~ characters, like the 24th warders and Noro!
AHHHHHH @mawjaw I almost forgot, this is killing me, the three freaking dots/circles thanks for reminding me…
I really hope I’m seeing things here because otherwise I want to know if literally similar events happened 100 years ago or if Uta is just able to know everything because he’s a huge troll.
sensei biology arc or answers i don’t care just stop teasing us like that !!!
Hello Anon 🙂 And if you meant my blog icon, then yep…
these three are characters from Tokyo Ghoul and this lil’ artwork was drawn by Ishida-sensei himself. 🙂
The guy on the left is the shadiest, biggest troll and probably the strongest as well as most mysterious character of the whole story (truth is, he’s one of my big faves). I think I have something like 20+ different versions of a general theory about him and I constantly scream whenever he shows up.
The girl cheering with him is as mysterious as he is for now, but I’m guessing she is probably less strong than him. I also do think she’s extremely hot despite probably not being that young.
Finally the guy sighing in the background is their friend, which sometimes seems super odd considering that they don’t have the same agenda at all, but who’s not mysterious or shady at all in comparison (which is why he’s sighing, because he’s constantly fed up with how much they’re trolling around).
A great trio really, and if they’re my blog icon it’s because I spend a large part of my time imagining what these two clowns…
and some of their other friends could be up to. :3
I hope it answers your question! Have a nice weekend :))
Either I’m reading too much into this due my inability to sleep rn or there is something with all this. As X in this series appears or gets emphasized on usually when it is related to hybrids in some manner.
@eto-when-and-where sorry it took me so long to get back to you. :3 Actually, leaving Hide’s headphones aside because a better version of the cover gave me the impression it rather seemed to be a ray of sunlight (not that it changes anything to these theories), I think the whole “X” thing really is supposed to imply hybrid/crossbreed:
Itori introduced the concept by making that X gesture with her fingers, but she also showed just one kakugan so far so… I’m not saying her being a OEG is the most likely possibility but, y’know, I wouldn’t exclude anything either until Sensei addresses the topic. xD Anyway, there seems to something personal about hybrid babies with her. EDIT: also…
you made a great point about Eto, who’s a natural OEG (it always was such a confusing part about vol 8 for me. I couldn’t understand why they’d refer to her as X)
same about ch125, even if it most likely wasn’t the day Touka became pregnant (unless ghoul pregnancy lasts longer than 9 months), but it was just to imply that Kaneki and Touka falling in love would eventually result in conceiving a lil hybrid baby
finally, there is a Uta: artificial or natural I don’t know, but there are hints that he could be a OEG. To give an example, the X headphones happened during the same chapter as….
Thanks for making that post, very interesting as always! ^3^
…errrr, Kaneki, my angsty son… you’re highly entertaining and I love the way you lie to yourself, but we already agreed about that back when Itori said an exactly similar lie in ch148:
In fact the whole ch144 never implied that you did this to “save everyone”, I mean…
so, at least, admit it to yourself.
You didn’t become a murderer to save the ghoul kind, because that, at least, you would be able to justify to yourself as acting as the OEK, for the sake of the rebellion or for “the greater good” where ghouls are concerned.
But no, no, you became a murderer mainly for the sake of one person (two if you count the baby), because you just didn’t want to lose the girl you love and your future family. So better acknowledge that as fast as you can before Rize throws the harsh truth to your face.
I personally never considered Uta and Itori could be Washuus (but I’ve read some posts about it from people who did) but it’s true I thought it was possible that they came from the Garden.
However, now that we know the Sunlit Garden is mainly the result of Tsuneyoshi’s harem (I am wondering about Hsiao though since she isn’t Japanese), I just am not so sure anymore that they were from the Garden, which complicates every theory about them, haha.
About Itori though, I just don’t see the suspicious scenes on the calendar that you’re talking about (she appeared on two days if I remember correctly)? But in any case, yeah, I really like the theory that she was a breeder because of things she said about hybrids…
…which is what we were just explained about Tsuneyoshi’s harem when you think about it (besides the fact that Tsuneyoshi does have a lot of hybrid children, even if they don’t live very long).
So maybe she was supposed to be a womb too, like Rize, but she also escaped? The OEG!Itori theory comes from the fact we only ever saw one of her kakugans in ch34, so that’s why I think the breeder/womb!Itori theory does seem more likely at this point!
Besides the breeder!Itori theory though, I also have another possibility in mind for Uta’s origins (and maybe even Itori’s, should she not be a breeder):
Ghoulification is the process so far known as turning humans into OEGs and I don’t know what the CCG did that wasso “evil”that Kanou betrayed them (to do his own ghoulification experiments) but back to Uta, the possibility exists that he is a OEG, so maybe he is the result of one of the CCG’s ghoulification experiments (that were “so evil” that the twins’ father tried to double cross the CCG and Kanou betrayed them).
That would make sense when you think about it:
we know he is apparently super strong (enough so that he was leading one of the deadliest wards when he was below 20 years old + he doesn’t use his kagune when fighting, if he really has one),
I mentioned the possibility he could be a OEG, which would explain why he would tattoo his eyes in the first place.
We know joining the Clowns’ gang and being so interested in Kaneki has to have a link with his own objectives, which are, like the rest of him, completely mysterious
And there is this scene about when the twins’ parents were killed…
This is the ghoul who killed them on V/the Washuus’ orders, and that’s what Uta looked like when he was younger…
So, ahem, maybe V/the Washuus used Uta (after an experiment of the ghoulification process) to kill the Yasuhisa parents since he was really unstable when he was younger.
On top of all that, there is all the weird stuff he can say, like in ch111, when Yomo asks him “how did you become so strong” and he goes “I don’t know about that”.
TL;DR:
About Itori: for now my main theory about her is that she was (supposed to be?) a breeder, so she probably was a part of the Garden at some point if that’s the case.
in that case, the theory that she could be a OEG is wrong indeed.
if she was a breeder/womb, that makes the crack theory that she could be disguising as Iyo (Matsuri’s wife) more likely.
About Uta: for now my main theory about him is that he underwent the (according to Kanou) “evil” ghoulification process at the hands of the CCG turning him into a OEG
in that case, he was probably the ghoul V/the Washuus used to kill Yasuhisa Nanao and his wife
he might have escaped and joined the 4th ward after killing them.
There you go, sorry for the long answer, I hope it makes sense! Please remember, these could change with new manga content.
Thanks for passing by and have a nice weekend Anon! 🙂
Look above, Anon. 🙂
If I remember correctly, it’s my very first (serious) theory about the backstories of Uta and Itori and it’s rather old, but I believe most of it still makes sense! It goes with this
Hi! Ohhh, I had forgotten about that, thanks Anon, but actually I’m not surprised at all that Hide plays Go (I’m not sure that Matsuri playing shogi is related to any of this though, since he’s less mysterious than Hide, but it does attest to his intelligence too). :))
Of course, there is literally 0 hint that Hide and Uta ever played chess…
…but considering @kingkishou‘s theory about what happened in the sewers before V14 being way more significant than we could have initially thought, I’m not trusting either Hide nor Uta, because they’re way too shady and mysterious as of right now.
And even if somehow it turns out that Hide and Uta were playing chess together (if just because Kaneki’s mask and Eto’s book were sent at the same time in ch31.5, which could allude to Hide and Uta having a few plans in common), it doesn’t even automatically mean that Hide belongs with the Clowns.
Speaking of “recruitment” now (even if again, Hide might not be a Clown at all), Spooky-chan likes to say that I play a lot with clown conspiracy theories but…
by now, there is a possibility that Uta is the Nagaraj (or has a strong connection to him) and Furuta said something about the Nagaraj “sharing his life force”…
so I wonder if several blond kids with apparently no parent but a connection to the 24th ward might not be a hint to some kind of link, as I proposed here.
So maybe Hide comes from the 24th ward
(as in, maybe all those blond kids were somehow born from the Nagaraj’s kakuja which would be what Furuta meant, even if I have no real idea as to how it’d be possible) and it’s not that he was recruited, but rather that maybe, like Roma, Itori mentored him for a while when he escaped the 24th ward (which would explain why he knows how to collect and use information).
After all, I always wondered about that scene…
…because, aside from Donato in Cochlea, all the other Clowns (including Furuta) were listening to her answering “what happened to Kaneki”, so who provided that information about the CCG in the first place? I mean it’s not like Hide wasn’t by Marude’s side until the Anteiku raid arc.
It’s just a theory though, nothing confirmed at all and maybe I’m just reading wayyy too much into it, so please take it all with a grain of salt. :3
Have a nice weekend Anon!
Hi! I never mind anyone sharing their thoughts Anon. :))
However, even if there are definitely more chances for you to be right than me, I can’t be sure for the moment, because the 24th ward was destroyed after Dragoneki appeared. So even if Touka and co most likely stayed around where their old base was, how would
Hide
have found them since he wasn’t a part of the operation?
And even going with your idea and assuming that Dragoneki hadn’t annihilated almost everyone down there to protect Touka (since we know a part of Juuzou’s men escaped)…
…are you sure that Hide would have asked anyone about where exactly the operation took place, when everyone was panicking and no one back at the CCG seemed to have known about his plan to contact ghouls?
That’s why I’m just not sure, even if you might be right and anyway, it’s also true that Hide could have simply guessed on his own that Touka and co would have been somewhere close to where the old 24th ward used to be. :))
…and that’s why I don’t think he’s on his own, whether it is with Eto and/or one/several Clowns and/or other characters that he shares or shared a plan.
Thanks for your insight though, I really appreciate it! 🙂 Have a nice weekend :3
Hi! Tbh, as I was explaining here I rather think it’s a possible hint that Uta might be someone important enough to Itori that she’d feel the need to be helpful. I mean, look, it’s not the first time she specifically gets involved because he is…
And so in the recent chapter…
it could be the same thing, even if I agree that it isn’t nice that she got to carry Yomo who must be heavy. xD Truth be told, I was wondering if maybe she ended up carrying him because Uta got exhausted after fighting Dragoneki to rescue Yomo or carrying him all the way up until Itori came to help him? I don’t know but maybe there is an actual reason she ended up being the one to carry Yomo.
Aside from that, I never wrote any theory about Itori and Touka just because of that one mole-on-breast thing that they share lol, rather I wrote about a possible parallel because…
Itori knows about hybrid pregnancies and thus might help Touka with making her own pregnancy viable, but even that is just a theory that might get confirmed or denied within the next chapters, I guess.
Thanks for passing by Anon and have a nice day!
LMAO but wait Anon, for real I didn’t mean to make it sound like that!
I mean, feel free to ship them if you want, but I feel (if that part wasn’t mistranslated) that Itori simply looks up to the one she refers to as her “king”…
…because of what he accomplished or represented, but that person could be the Nagaraj just like it could be Furuta, since Furuta was the “king” that the Clowns were helping recently, or someone else. So you see, in the first place we can’t even be sure that this person is Uta, so I definitely wasn’t vouching for Itori and Uta to have a thing between them.
Maybe she simply helped Uta and Yomo because they’ve been friends for a long time and that comment about “loving [her] king” is referring to someone entirely different (Furuta, Kaneki, someone from the past… again if it wasn’t mistranslated).
And besides, let’s say she actually had/has a crush on Uta (in the theory that he’s the Nagaraj and that she was talking about him), it doesn’t mean that he ever reciprocated her feelings anyway.
So my bad, I’m really fond of the theory that the Clowns are older than they look and that the Nagaraj is Uta, but it remains a rather cracky theory to this day and we can’t exactly be sure that it’s who Itori was talking about in that panel above.
I hope it makes more sense that way. Sorry for the confusion and have a nice day Anon!
Hi! Hm, it’s a little hard to explain because all the ships I have are generally fueled by canon content, so it’s not exactly a ship I’m serious about, but at the same time since I find there is some kind of ambiguity in canon (mostly because they’re still mysterious characters), I’ve considered it before. 🙂
grasp their dynamic. I mean, even when you’re friend with several people, you can like one friend more than the other for different reasons, right? That’s the kind of ambiguity I’m talking about here.
So overall, if I were to sum up my thoughts about them, I’d use this:
the three of them are definitely friends
but at the same time, only Uta and Itori are Clowns and have known each other longer
in :Re ch148, it seemed more like Uta went to save Yomo and Itori followed him, instead of the two of them both wanting to save Yomo.
unless Itori played it dismissively because she didn’t want Tsukiyama to think she cared about Yomo too, hard to say.
also this cover gives me weird vibes about an unresolved issue since Itori is in the middle of them and holding a funeral frame (who/what are they burying?), while the chapter introduced the concept of dead hybrid babies, so for all we know there could be more to it
Finally…
Itori was described to be pleasant and likable (despite her jokes giving Yomo a hard time) by both men so… who knows if there is just friendship or not. xD
TL;DR I don’t know if there is/might have been romantic feelings existing within their little trio or not, but if somehow Sensei reveals that there is or was, it wouldn’t bother me at all. :))
Sorry for making this complicated. If we could know more about Uta and Itori, it would probably easier to explain. xD Have a nice day Anon!
U doubting me and Cor-chan, Anon? I’m shook :(((((( lmao, just kidding, here:
From :Re ch38, I know it’s initially not that visible because of Uta’s floor also having a checkerboard pattern so, despite it being in the foreground of the panel, Sensei really managed to hide it. 🙂
So yeah Uta is/was playing chess with someone and this person might be Hide just like it might not be (we considered Hide since he apparently left his headphones (?) at HySy but nothing is certain for now).
Have a nice day Anon!
Hi Anon! Have you read all the posts I linked to in this recap post? 🙂 Because this isn’t just one theory, it’s different crack theories working around a similar basis, namely trying to imagine what Sensei might be hinting at with all these characters.
For example:
“Apparently related covers for Hide and Uta (+ same headphones?)”
=> why? what’s a possible link between Uta and Hide?
“One of Sensei’s drawing shows Hide and three dots while similar dots can be found on the clothes of the underground kids, as well as on Itori’s mask”
=> is this significant? could there be link between Itori, these kids Ayato found and Hide?
“In The Penisman by Sensei, the MC’s mom was looking a lot like Itori and his bro a lot like Hide”
=> could this be an idea that Sensei reused in TG somehow and so could there be a link between Itori and Hide?
So you see, it’s just me associating different hints and ideas to see if I can reach general conclusions about some TG characters who are still very mysterious. I haven’t reached one conclusion in particular, it’s just different ideas that I might continue to associate if Sensei gives us more hints.
It’s just little things to keep in mind about these characters that’s all, because we can’t be sure whether it’s going to be significant or if Sensei is just messing with us. Personally though…
I think there might be something linking all of them, but too many things are not clear enough yet to propose a real conclusion. :3
Sorry if that’s not helpful, just let it be for now if it doesn’t make sense. :))
Hahah, well Anon, it’s true Hide seems to have been a fan (for those who don’t know, this is the song he’s listening to, below) xDD
So yeah, maybe Uta listens to Backstreet Boys if these are the same headphones! Personal headcanon but I think this song in particular would please him somehow. xDDD
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