I personally never considered Uta and Itori could be Washuus (but I’ve read some posts about it from people who did) but it’s true I thought it was possible that they came from the Garden.
However, now that we know the Sunlit Garden is mainly the result of Tsuneyoshi’s harem (I am wondering about Hsiao though since she isn’t Japanese), I just am not so sure anymore that they were from the Garden, which complicates every theory about them, haha.
About Itori though, I just don’t see the suspicious scenes on the calendar that you’re talking about (she appeared on two days if I remember correctly)? But in any case, yeah, I really like the theory that she was a breeder because of things she said about hybrids…
…which is what we were just explained about Tsuneyoshi’s harem when you think about it (besides the fact that Tsuneyoshi does have a lot of hybrid children, even if they don’t live very long).
So maybe she was supposed to be a womb too, like Rize, but she also escaped? The OEG!Itori theory comes from the fact we only ever saw one of her kakugans in ch34, so that’s why I think the breeder/womb!Itori theory does seem more likely at this point!
Besides the breeder!Itori theory though, I also have another possibility in mind for Uta’s origins (and maybe even Itori’s, should she not be a breeder):
Ghoulification is the process so far known as turning humans into OEGs and I don’t know what the CCG did that wasso “evil”that Kanou betrayed them (to do his own ghoulification experiments) but back to Uta, the possibility exists that he is a OEG, so maybe he is the result of one of the CCG’s ghoulification experiments (that were “so evil” that the twins’ father tried to double cross the CCG and Kanou betrayed them).
That would make sense when you think about it:
we know he is apparently super strong (enough so that he was leading one of the deadliest wards when he was below 20 years old + he doesn’t use his kagune when fighting, if he really has one),
I mentioned the possibility he could be a OEG, which would explain why he would tattoo his eyes in the first place.
We know joining the Clowns’ gang and being so interested in Kaneki has to have a link with his own objectives, which are, like the rest of him, completely mysterious
And there is this scene about when the twins’ parents were killed…
This is the ghoul who killed them on V/the Washuus’ orders, and that’s what Uta looked like when he was younger…
So, ahem, maybe V/the Washuus used Uta (after an experiment of the ghoulification process) to kill the Yasuhisa parents since he was really unstable when he was younger.
On top of all that, there is all the weird stuff he can say, like in ch111, when Yomo asks him “how did you become so strong” and he goes “I don’t know about that”.
TL;DR:
About Itori: for now my main theory about her is that she was (supposed to be?) a breeder, so she probably was a part of the Garden at some point if that’s the case.
in that case, the theory that she could be a OEG is wrong indeed.
if she was a breeder/womb, that makes the crack theory that she could be disguising as Iyo (Matsuri’s wife) more likely.
About Uta: for now my main theory about him is that he underwent the (according to Kanou) “evil” ghoulification process at the hands of the CCG turning him into a OEG
in that case, he was probably the ghoul V/the Washuus used to kill Yasuhisa Nanao and his wife
he might have escaped and joined the 4th ward after killing them.
There you go, sorry for the long answer, I hope it makes sense! Please remember, these could change with new manga content.
Thanks for passing by and have a nice weekend Anon! 🙂
Hey Anon, thanks for reading! 🙂 And yeah, the theories above could probably explain why Itori and Uta don’t really have a last name. 🙂
But then in that case, I wonder what’s Nico’s backstory too ^^ I hope we get to learn about it and their reasons for joining the Clowns’ gang!
Anyway, back to Uta, he definitely has a very good reason for joining the Clowns and doing all that he did in TG and :Re, but I’m not ready to take a wild guess as to his objectives, when we all feel he’s one of the most mysterious characters.
If that theory above is accurate though, I wonder how he really feels about Kanou’s experiments and Kaneki… Maybe that’s why he keeps referring to Kaneki as a special customer?
As for his tattooes, I have no idea despite how many times I researched about them but here’s a post about one of his arm tattoos. That’s really all I have on the subject.
I’m sure we’re not so far from an answer about Uta (and Itori) though 🙂 Especially since the Clowns’ gang now officially joined the battlefield with Donato out of Cochlea. So let’s be patient just a little more Anon :3
Thanks again for reading and have a nice Sunday! ^_^
Hey Anon! And sorry but as I was more or less saying above, I think the meaning of all of Uta’s tattooes can really change depending on what theory is accurate about his past and true nature.
And besides, I am not really good at theorizing about symbolism, so since the meaning of his neck tattoo is definitely a strong one, I think it might really be linked to either how Uta feels about the world or about his own past, and since we don’t know either of those because he’s way too mysterious, I really can’t give a good guess right now.
Sorry not to be of help… We should get more answers about Uta soon though, so I guess it will be easier to think about his tattoos at this moment.
Sorry again, but thanks for passing by and have a nice Sunday!
I personally never considered Uta and Itori could be Washuus (but I’ve read some posts about it from people who did) but it’s true I thought it was possible that they came from the Garden.
However, now that we know the Sunlit Garden is mainly the result of Tsuneyoshi’s harem (I am wondering about Hsiao though since she isn’t Japanese), I just am not so sure anymore that they were from the Garden, which complicates every theory about them, haha.
About Itori though, I just don’t see the suspicious scenes on the calendar that you’re talking about (she appeared on two days if I remember correctly)? But in any case, yeah, I really like the theory that she was a breeder because of things she said about hybrids…
…which is what we were just explained about Tsuneyoshi’s harem when you think about it (besides the fact that Tsuneyoshi does have a lot of hybrid children, even if they don’t live very long).
So maybe she was supposed to be a womb too, like Rize, but she also escaped? The OEG!Itori theory comes from the fact we only ever saw one of her kakugans in ch34, so that’s why I think the breeder/womb!Itori theory does seem more likely at this point!
Besides the breeder!Itori theory though, I also have another possibility in mind for Uta’s origins (and maybe even Itori’s, should she not be a breeder):
Ghoulification is the process so far known as turning humans into OEGs and I don’t know what the CCG did that wasso “evil”that Kanou betrayed them (to do his own ghoulification experiments) but back to Uta, the possibility exists that he is a OEG, so maybe he is the result of one of the CCG’s ghoulification experiments (that were “so evil” that the twins’ father tried to double cross the CCG and Kanou betrayed them).
That would make sense when you think about it:
we know he is apparently super strong (enough so that he was leading one of the deadliest wards when he was below 20 years old + he doesn’t use his kagune when fighting, if he really has one),
I mentioned the possibility he could be a OEG, which would explain why he would tattoo his eyes in the first place.
We know joining the Clowns’ gang and being so interested in Kaneki has to have a link with his own objectives, which are, like the rest of him, completely mysterious
And there is this scene about when the twins’ parents were killed…
This is the ghoul who killed them on V/the Washuus’ orders, and that’s what Uta looked like when he was younger…
So, ahem, maybe V/the Washuus used Uta (after an experiment of the ghoulification process) to kill the Yasuhisa parents since he was really unstable when he was younger.
On top of all that, there is all the weird stuff he can say, like in ch111, when Yomo asks him “how did you become so strong” and he goes “I don’t know about that”.
TL;DR:
About Itori: for now my main theory about her is that she was (supposed to be?) a breeder, so she probably was a part of the Garden at some point if that’s the case.
in that case, the theory that she could be a OEG is wrong indeed.
if she was a breeder/womb, that makes the crack theory that she could be disguising as Iyo (Matsuri’s wife) more likely.
About Uta: for now my main theory about him is that he underwent the (according to Kanou) “evil” ghoulification process at the hands of the CCG turning him into a OEG
in that case, he was probably the ghoul V/the Washuus used to kill Yasuhisa Nanao and his wife
he might have escaped and joined the 4th ward after killing them.
There you go, sorry for the long answer, I hope it makes sense! Please remember, these could change with new manga content.
Thanks for passing by and have a nice weekend Anon! 🙂
Bonsoir (ou bonjour) Anon ^_^ Ah, well, in both Hide’s and Itori’s cases, I miss them a lot but since Hide’s importance to the plot is beyond acknowledged, I’m guessing Itori’s absence is bothering you because she was more of a secondary character than Hide was in TG 🙂
So we’re more than a few to suspect she might have a bigger role even as a secondary character (having to do with maybe the Garden, I agree), like Uta really, except that it could still turn out that she doesn’t have any importance besides being one of the Clowns, and so maybe that’s why we’re all a bit ambivalent when it comes to her character.
If she’s really just a Clown with nothing much to say about her character, maybe it makes sense that Ishida-sensei didn’t reintroduce sooner, but I’d say we’re more and more to be convinced by her absence that there is something off about her.
I’m really hoping that if Kaneki decides to go and pay her a visit, that’s when we are going to know where she is, if she’s still an informant or just maybe get a glimpse of her after so long, so all we have to do now is wait.
With the newest chapter, the Clowns just were revealed to have an important position for Furuta’s role as the other king of the chessboard so maybe we’ll get to see her soon, if just because she’s one of the Clowns.
I’m really looking forward to her return Anon 🙂 And I’m glad I’m not the only one!
Thank you for passing by et bonne journée ^_^
Hey Anon 🙂 Yes I’m glad Kimi is alright too, but I need Ishida-sensei to tell me ASAP that she’s not really on Kanou’s side but rather spying on him because she thought that’s how she would be useful to Nishiki and the rest of :Re. ;_;
Seriously… She and Nishiki have one of the most meaningful relationships in the whole story, so I’m really hoping it wasn’t a lie. I believe in her ❤
As for who Touka visited in the hospital… haha, well, now that is the question is it not? 🙂 I still don’t think it’s Shinohara though, she would have no reason to, since she didn’t know him personally + he was an investigator, so nope, really not Shinohara.
I was going back to the Hide possibility personally, but then I remembered Marude’s words…
And depending on exactly when Hide told Marude that, he might not be in a coma indeed.
If not him, that leaves either someone we don’t know or Kimi herself. After all, Nishiki was looking for Torso (who wasn’t exactly a member of Aogiri back then) for a reason in particular and Torso did target girls like Kimi so why not?
Maybe Kimi really was hurt by Torso, went to the hospital for some time (and Touka visited her) and when she got better, she joined Kanou on Rushima?
I could see it still being Kimi in the hospital 🙂 Or Hide, but meh. Or someone we don’t know (but then why show Touka going to the hospital at all if that didn’t have a precise meaning?).
I guess we will have our answer later. I hope it helps in the meantime though 🙂
I mean, hi. 🙂 Let’s do a recap of the situation ‘cause chess game is on:
Chessboard is the world
Kaneki and Furuta are the Kings but Kaneki is representing tragedy when Furuta is more about comedy (btw in case you need a good explanatory post about him, you have this one by @bloodycarnations)
What’s left of Aogiri + maybe :Re are apparently on one side, while Kanou, the Clowns + V are on the other (and I’m wondering if the CCG fit with V on that side of the chessboard…)
Matsuri needs to reorganize the CCG.
I still am thinking Kaneki becoming the OEK is one hellof a bad idea
By the way, Amon is definitely alive but for now I’d say his side
(possibly including Seidou and Akira since I’m not sure for now Seidou’d be so willing to join the OEK and same for Akira) doesn’t completely fit on the chessboard yet, though I imagine he’d join Kaneki later on (when Ken wakes up and realizes he has to stop being the oek because obviously it’s a bad idea)
So now, about the Clowns, it’s hella complicated because all we know about them is…
and as such, I’d say it makes sense that they’d choose to more or less “follow” Furuta for now (since he also wants to be laughing at the end).
However considering that I think there is no real hierarchy amongst the Clowns (despite having “a boss” that is probably Donato) + that they’re also all genuinely interested in Kaneki who is the other king, I think for now that there is nothing like loyalty between Furuta and the Clowns (which might not be V’s case since V is related to the Washuus/CCG and Furuta is a Washuu and an investigator).
So really, they probably all decided to “follow” him because he’s for now the funniest player but I don’t think that means they still won’t observe Kaneki and even maybe change sides later (for example in case Furuta stops being so amusing), if they’re on his side at all.
Furuta has a link to V and the CCG because he’s from the Garden and a Washuu, but that doesn’t guarantee anything when it comes to the Clowns since they’re all free to do what they want in the first place as we saw before in TG (especially in case some of them have… personal goals).
Besides…
… this makes me think the Clowns’ gang isn’t done yet with Kaneki.
Specifically on Uta nowthough, I still think he is maybe the biggest troll of the entire cast and as such his own reason for being a Clown might be more than just to get a good laugh out of it (especially since I still think he has a special link to V/the Garden), so even if we consider the Clowns were to stay loyal to Furuta somehow (something I just said I personally didn’t believe in), I doubt that would include Uta.
Really, as one of the most mysterious characters of the whole cast, I’d say he’s more on his own side and focusing on whatever goals he might have, even if the Clowns’ gang probably defines him more than other organizations could.
So basically, I think we might need to look at things that way:
for now the Clowns “follow” Furuta probably because he wants to laugh and is funny to side with (and because there is no real difference between Kaneki and Furuta as they’re both OEGs who are having more or less the same goal)
however Kaneki is for now the OEK, when we know it’s a bad idea, meaning I don’t think he will stay the OEK until the end (obviously Amon/Touka/someone will wake him up)
as such if there is yet another game that starts with a big change in the chessboard later (= if Kaneki isn’t the OEK anymore), there is no guarantee the Clowns will all stay behind Furuta as we know they’re also all genuinely interested in Kaneki.
Uta is probably on his own side anyway.
TL;DRit’s still impossible to be sure of anything when it comes to the Clowns (but maybe for this round, they will support Furuta).
I might as well add that I wouldn’t take any Clown for granted
not even Roma
and that’s without forgetting that Donato is mostly known for being Amon’s father figure soooooooo… my answer is that we don’t know enough about the Clowns to be sure of anything right now, and that includes their link to Furuta.
Besides, let’s not forget that both Itori and Nico very probably lied to Furuta about the OEK in the past (when Nico surely knew who it was) + there is the mystery of the Clowns’ annihilation most likely ordered by V and led by Arima (11-12 years ago) and how so many Clowns survived…
So I am not so sure V and the Clowns are so ready to be…allies (especially in case Arima is the one who let them survive, like he did for Eto, because they were ready to go against V.
Maybe they agreed to help Furuta because he wants to erase V in order to achieve “super peace” too).
Finally, Donato and Uta just helped Furuta take Tsuneyoshi down, so you could also see all that as the Clowns being the ones organizing the next game and making Furuta into a King so Kaneki will have a suitable opponent.
….. Uta certainly seems to like chess in any case. ;)))
Sorry this was so long, but these are my thoughts so far. Could change next week if we get new info for all I know, or I could simply be totally wrong, so please just remember to be careful whenever we speculate about the Clowns (because all of them together they are a gang, but on their own they do seem to have their differences, which makes it all even harder to guess about). 🙂
By the way, now that the game is on and we finally know where Kimi is, the absence of Hide and Itori makes me super nervous, so like for Uta, I don’t want to assume anything about them either (but I hope, like Uta, that they’re both big players).
Sorry for this huge thing Anon, but thank you for asking about one of my favorite subjects and have a nice weekend! ^_^
Hey Anon! Ah, actually I really like all the Clowns we’ve met so far 🙂 since they’re so mysterious, it’s hard to get a good grasp on their characters which is why they really interest me, all of them.
If I still had to give an order though…
Itori and Uta are first, because I liked how Kaneki kind of trusted them all along TG and I also like how it seems their respective stories go further than just being members of the Clowns’ gang (maybe there is a link to V and the Garden, that’s what I mean). Besides when it comes to the design and characterization, I just love them. :3
Then it’s…
Nico and Furuta [x] 🙂 I don’t want to have to choose between them and I can’t explain why I like Nico so much but I just do xD
As for Furuta, I think he has enough fans for you to know why I would like him as much as I do! ^^
Finally…
I also like those two a lot, it’s just that for me they’re the ones we’ve seen the less out of those 6 (of course Itori hasn’t been around since the last chapter of TG, but you get my point) so I’m less sure what to think of them.
…Or so I say, because I feel the last chapter is a good example of how hard it is to really read Roma, but in Donato’s case, I can easily compare him to Hannibal Lecter and for now I don’t think I would be so far off xD
Aaah, well I guess this is a difference in appreciation of her character. 🙂 If you thought she was the same kind of minor character as Gori Misato (the woman who had a crush on Amon), then maybe that’s why you were surprised when people (apparently?) talked more about her recently.
Like Hide and Kimi, people are expecting her to show up soon because
she’s a part of the Clowns’ gang and it’s an organization that we know already has a role when it comes to the main plot
she’s an informant with a very good network and to quote Francis Bacon “Knowledge is power”
she’s the one who introduced Kaneki to… many plot points through small talks and hints. As I explained here, that’s because of her that he found out or got more info about: Rize (ch34+47), Kanou (ch86), the existence of other(s) OEG(s) (ch34), a “hidden truth” which could relate to V (ch47), Eto as the One-Eyed King even if it was a lie (by Nico in ch87).
Like Uta, she doesn’t have a regular “Clown” mask, so it’s possible she’s not just a regular Clown.
Finally, I’ve seen more than one person considering she was either a OEG or that she and Uta came from the Garden, which is still a very mysterious and insane place we barely know anything about (meaning they would have a link or more info about what Rize and Furuta went through as kids, maybe they even escaped like Rize).
So I’m sorry Anon, but I just happen to be one of those people who think she actually has a precise role, because subjects that seemed to make her sad could be in relation to V and the Garden that are still completely mysterious parts of the plot…
And besides, it’s rather weird how the CCG doesn’t seem to know about her existence as one of the Clowns…
but since it turns out the info she gave to Kaneki were enough to secure her only appearance in :Re…
I’d say all the other things that she told Kaneki will likely be addressed later and that’s why I think she’ll return 😉
Anyway, we will see what Ishida plans to do with the Clowns’ gang, most likely in the next arc, maybe she’ll return then! 🙂
Have a nice weekend Anon!
Hey Anon 🙂 Thank you for reading!
Yes, I actually love her as well, I really am looking forward to her return soon and I definitely think people don’t give her enough credit. 😀
You’re also absolutely right about her mask…
And the facts it has the 4 symbols kind of reminds me of the Joker card (even if I know the Joker cards in the TG trump deck weren’t her).
I find her interesting because the mysterious things she told Kaneki could really be seen as having a link to V and the Garden, so I’m one of those who theorize that she and Uta could be from the same Garden as Rize and Furuta, and that they might have escaped like Rize did.
As for her link to Yomo and Uta, I think her and Uta being a part of the Clowns are for their personal convenience (because the Clowns are an important organization that is still extremely powerful but probably not as hierarchical and serious as Aogiri for example), especially in case they really come from the Garden and have a goal in particular, but that the friendship with Yomo is more or less genuine.
After all, Yomo seems to know Uta is a part of the Clowns and he knows Itori can be manipulative
but they’re still “friends” in spite of that, at least that’s what it looked like in TG, so I think you’re right and she’ll still be linked to them in :Re. 🙂
Itori’s and Uta’s characters are one of the things I’m the most curious about, so I’m hoping we’ll get answers soon too ^_^
Thank you for passing by Anon and for reading! Have a nice day 😀
Hey Anon, you’re welcome and thank you for reading! :))
About that theory, I actually like how cracky it is and I once talked about it here. Honestly, Iyo’s completely random introduction after her crossed out face in the calendar + how Matsuri emphasizes how boring she is…
…still makes me think there is something fishy about Iyo and, seeing as Itori is also a member of the Clowns, making sure to be boring to stab the Washuu family in the back would probably really amuse her.
Unfortunately…
As long as I can’t see if Iyo has a beauty mark on her left breast or two bracelets on her wrist, I will still consider it to be a cracky possibility, especially because…
Itori never was shown leaving her bar and join spying activities or fighting in TG
So basically it’s 50:50 in my head. Maybe Iyo is simply related to the mother of Kuro and Shiro which would explain the resemblance (especially since Yasuhisa Nanao was a collaborator of the CCG, so if Iyo somehow comes from the Garden, maybe Nanao’s wife came from the Garden too and they were clones/sisters/twins but that would make Iyo way older than Matsuri).
Or maybe it’s really Itori disguising herself as Iyo thanks to Uta’s good mask crafting abilities (with the examples of the Arima mask and the Applehead). There is only one way to know in any case and that’s waiting for an answer 🙂
I hope it answers your question Anon! Thank you again for reading and have a nice day!
Aaah, well I guess this is a difference in appreciation of her character. 🙂 If you thought she was the same kind of minor character as Gori Misato (the woman who had a crush on Amon), then maybe that’s why you were surprised when people (apparently?) talked more about her recently.
Like Hide and Kimi, people are expecting her to show up soon because
she’s a part of the Clowns’ gang and it’s an organization that we know already has a role when it comes to the main plot
she’s an informant with a very good network and to quote Francis Bacon “Knowledge is power”
she’s the one who introduced Kaneki to… many plot points through small talks and hints. As I explained here, that’s because of her that he found out or got more info about: Rize (ch34+47), Kanou (ch86), the existence of other(s) OEG(s) (ch34), a “hidden truth” which could relate to V (ch47), Eto as the One-Eyed King even if it was a lie (by Nico in ch87).
Like Uta, she doesn’t have a regular “Clown” mask, so it’s possible she’s not just a regular Clown.
Finally, I’ve seen more than one person considering she was either a OEG or that she and Uta came from the Garden, which is still a very mysterious and insane place we barely know anything about (meaning they would have a link or more info about what Rize and Furuta went through as kids, maybe they even escaped like Rize).
So I’m sorry Anon, but I just happen to be one of those people who think she actually has a precise role, because subjects that seemed to make her sad could be in relation to V and the Garden that are still completely mysterious parts of the plot…
And besides, it’s rather weird how the CCG doesn’t seem to know about her existence as one of the Clowns…
but since it turns out the info she gave to Kaneki were enough to secure her only appearance in :Re…
I’d say all the other things that she told Kaneki will likely be addressed later and that’s why I think she’ll return 😉
Anyway, we will see what Ishida plans to do with the Clowns’ gang, most likely in the next arc, maybe she’ll return then! 🙂
Uta and Itori from Tokyo Ghoul. I’m not too familiar with this series but after drawing the two I’m now intrigued. Another new anime to watch on my ‘‘to-watch’‘ list lol :p
What I assume is, if it’s true, that Kimi was there because she was attacked by Torso, but managed to escape in time, which in turn could have led to Nishiki trying to kill Torso for good.
It could also be due to Kimi being pregnant, but I have a little problem with that. Would the hospital not notice if the baby would he half-ghoul, no matter if it’s born or not? I genuinely don’t know to be honest, but that’s a possibility for now. Well, maybe Kimi knows someone in that hospital who would keep the baby’s species a secret or doctors are genuinely not able to tell.
You are absolutely right. It was foolish of me to assume that Itori could be harmed that easily, just because she didn’t show her abilities yet (which is quite clever actually. She uses the same tactic as Uta). I just wonder what happened to her, it is just strangely odd to hear nothing of her, but her friends are not behaving out of character, so she is probably fine. But why is Ishida so persistent in leaving her out?
At least in this panel he could have drawn her, he even decided to draw Roma, who was revealed to be a clown at the very end of the manga, but he decided to leave Itori out, who has been connected to all Clowns so far and has appeared very early in the first series.
Oh well, time will tell, but I am so interested in seeing her again. 😥
To be honest, considering that this panel of ch26 is when Kuramoto is thinking about the Clowns’ gang, I always thought that Itori wasn’t on this panel simply because the CCG doesn’t know about her being a part of the Clowns’ gang.
After all, she hardly ever joins the fights, she mostly deals with info so I doubt the CCG ever encountered her as a Clown, which would be why she’s not drawn with the others.
I also agree with Anon about Kimi (that she was the one Touka visited at the hospital because of Torso I mean) and the idea that Itori is still alive in general even if we might not know exactly where she is: after all, she’s the only information broker of the cast (if we forget Hori for a second) and “knowledge is power”, so between that, the fact we know nothing about her and that she’s a Clown… The chances are rather high that she’s still alive.
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