frederickabberline:

Thank you so much!!! Yes, I saw, and I was going to reblog with your tags to respond because I need discussion on my points so I can refine them, but since you’ve sent me an ask I’ll do it here –

I absolutely agree on the twins looking like Cloudia and that being what Othello is referring to, but I don’t think I mentioned it (because it didn’t feel relevant to the post and it wasn’t something I could back up). As for the lockets, I’m not sure about Gilbert either but I go with that date because it’s so close to Albert’s death. In the case that it was during the 80s, then there’s a couple of other dates that it could line up with, but… We’ll see. As for Emile, I don’t mean to imply that he was definitely a citizen of France. After all, Druitt is French, and by extension, Redmond has French ties, but I wouldn’t consider Redmond himself French, right? I should have been clearer about that.

I’ve also been assuming that Grelle would theoretically recognise UT based on a multitude of factors such as his scythe, height, weight, hair colour and length, extraordinarily pretty face, possibly even his voice after he dropped the act during Campania, and the fact that if she knew somebody matching this general description and skill level who had deserted, it wouldn’t take much to put the pieces together, provided Dispatch isn’t bleeding out like fifty new deserters every year or something. Lastly, they only started this method of blood collection this summer, if you recall that they’re attached to the Phoenix society who had that hospital and all those slaves and ex-patients who were experimented on by Rian and UT, they had access to a lot of people before this point. It was only this summer that they had to drop the hospital, too, since I’ll bet that operation has collapsed following Campania.

Moving on!

To be honest, I’m not sure if I’m really worth asking about these things, because I have a very limited focus and my method of analysis is a) does it relate to something that happened or was mentioned in the anime b) does it relate to a real life event c) can I see a pattern otherwise d) is it to do with William or the other reapers. I’m in the dark as to what’s going to happen with Lizzie, she’s not “my division”, so to speak, and neither is Polaris;;; I know you don’t really jive with the anime as a source material, I checked your blog, but I still reeaaallly want to point you to [my very long post] about the parallels, because it’s where I come from as a theorist even if it’s a weird way to go about it. I respect that others don’t view it the same way, but it’s my grounding, you know?

But I’ll start with Polaris, just to also say I have literally no clue who the other lords are, none whatsoever, not the foggiest. No clue where they came from or why Blavat has them (or rather, they have Blavat,). I’m not sold on them being characters we already know, but that’s only because I really have no idea who they could be. I do think Polaris is the one who killed Agni. Now, if John Brown is supernatural (which, he is, let’s be real) then Polaris can’t be John Brown, as Polaris is receiving blood and is therefore most likely human, unless one of the Vega twins actually has the blood type Polaris is supposed to have, and so the blood collected for him is going to one of them, but that’s just too convoluted at this point.

Polaris…. could be the being who collected RC’s body, which I think is that cloaked figure, but… Well, the supernatural thing comes up again. Because Sebastian killed every human. (…and there’s a part of me without concrete evidence that suspects the figure to be John Brown anyway…)

If he isn’t supernatural, then we have a collection of very strong humans so far as well, and if he’s been brought back to life then he could have been physically enhanced as well. Like Agni is so strong because he was so dedicated to Soma, and perhaps Polaris has a similar thing going on, maybe that’s his whole deal too? I’ve not really thought about it.

I also haven’t really thought about Lizzie, but she’s definitely being used as a pawn by whoever is running the Blue Sect. Probably it’s worth noting that this is the same arc we see Othello, so named because of that game of pieces switching sides. It’s an isolation tactic against OC, and my personal belief is this arc has a good chance of leading to him becoming isolated, confused about his revenge, and stripped of his title as he was near the end of the anime. I don’t know if that will definitely happen at the end of this arc, but I think this arc has a good chance of being at least one of the factors that would lead to this. Lizzie survived the anime, but then again so did Agni, so her becoming mortally wounded isn’t out of the question. Either way, isolation tactic, and her being a good guard is probably a side benefit for the Blue Sect.

Tanaka, however, I can get into! He knows so much! This is where I get anime on you again and point out that he knew the entire time who killed Vincent and didn’t say anything to Ciel because it was against Vincent’s wishes. Further, Tanaka and Ash were on friendly terms, even if it was just a one-off gag. Tea with the enemy. Same thing revealing itself here, Tanaka is very aware of the truth at all times but he keeps it all to himself because he’s got a strict non-interference policy. I think he wants the twins to live truthfully, at that, based on his being so active in wanting OC to slowly and gently heal in the Green Witch arc. He knew OC wasn’t RC, he knew this was the facade falling down, and he wanted it to stay on course. Based on that same non-interference vibe, though, I don’t think he’ll explicitly take RC’s side against OC except in the matter of RC technically being master of the house (and therefore commanding his service). I can’t see him attacking OC, is what I mean. 

Tanaka has seen the deaths of Vincent, Cloudia, and RC, even if RC is technically back, that makes it three generations he’s watched fall. The Phantomhive butler cannot die before their master indeed. This is the point where I point out that Alex B.’s locket puts his death date (1854 April 20) as not only just a couple of years before the Second Opium War, but the same year Japan was forcibly opened to trade with America (that part of the expedition was 13 February 1854 ~ 11 July 1854, with the treaty that opened trade happening on March 31). Tanaka is so related to all of this, he’s inextricably woven into this whole political mess that the twins are inheriting, but he’s so secretive that we only have a sliver of the full story regarding him. In short, it would be more surprising for him to be (openly) surprised, because there’s no way he hasn’t known to some degree what’s been going on, and he’s maybe hoping that what’s happening now will be a solution.

@frederickabberline Sorry about the tags xD It was very early in the morning when I read your post buuuut I didn’t want to impose on your hard work but then I also couldn’t stay quiet so akzejakzejkr ANYWAY. Thanks for answering my questions :33 I just have a few more things to add, which I hope you may find worth your time.

Firstly just to make things clear, I am not of the opinion that the anime doesn’t hold any interest when it comes to theorizing (because obviously it does, for reasons you pointed out). It’s just that I’m tired of fans forgetting that in case of differences between the manga and the anime, then the manga content is what’s canon. That’s all. 🙂 

Now, when it comes to UT not being recognized by the other English reapers, I really like your idea that UT possibly wandered around before “officially” deserting around 1839, kinda like Grell did for a while when they were killing alongside Red (they still had the death list, the scythe, the glasses before Will brought them back). 

However, it is also true that I think his current appearance possibly drastically changes from what he used to look like as an acting reaper. 
Sensei confirmed that the scars were post-desertion (at least for the anime, but it’s one of these things I can assume being relevant for the manga as well), so between that, the possible hair bleaching and the creepy appearance, it’s not impossible that he might be hard to instantly recognize.

I just like your idea more because Will keeps complaining about the lack of reapers and I too kinda doubt that Grell would forget a man apparently as beautiful as UT. xD

About the blood collects for the star lords: you’re right, it’s my bad, I definitely forgot about what Lau said in April regarding the Karnstein hospital being a source of corpses, despite discussing it once before as a possibility for the blood collects. So I guess the experiment with the star lords could have been going on even from before Summer then!

The only thing I still doubt is the identity of the other star lords besides the twin, because they could be random characters or not at this point.
If they are random then no problem; if they’re characters we’ve seen before who were brought back to life somehow (even if I’m really not sure either), then it might change the timeline since Kuroshitsuji for now spans the years 1888/1889 (unless of course we’re saying that they started with real!Ciel and then experimented with the other star lords way after). 

Regarding Polaris now, first of all I’m glad we agree on the whole Polaris =/= Brown or Tanaka, specifically because of the blood transfusions.
Also, while it’s true we have no way to be sure that Agni’s killer is indeed really Polaris (instead of Brown in disguise for example), I’d still assume so because of the knives the killer used that we could see in Polaris’ room.  

As for Polaris’ huge strength (since I’m just going to assume it’s him), I asked you this, because I proposed a theory a while ago about his strength possibly being enhanced by the same formula as Finny who was a successful German experiment, and I was curious about if you had any other idea.

The + of my idea is that it’s yet another argument to the whole “UT is either partially involved or not involved at all with the twin’s revival” because real science is definitely not his gig, as he made sure to say during the Campania arc (hence Othello’s words in ch119, I completely agree with you).
The – is that it doesn’t help us figuring out who the other supernatural being is (in case they’re not a new character) and which side they’re on, so to speak.

Initially, I assumed that the blue sect could be on Victoria’s side (when you presented them to be against her, which is another interesting possibility) and managed by Brown (who’s probably a demon, yes): 

• because she wants war (and Wolfram coincidentally mentioned that blood transfusions are super useful for war), 
• because the equipment and devices she gave to Sieglinde in ch114 are similar-looking to these of the sect, 
• because she’s interested in bizarre dolls (and other useful war weapons)
• because killing these lords from the Parliament in ch125 might also be seen or used as a political move (since “the Queen reigns but does not rule” and, again, she definitely wants that war)
• because the hooded dude from 4 years ago could be the killer of December 14th (*cough*I agree it’s possibly Brown*cough*), keeping an eye on the twins the whole month to make sure they would die horribly and then taking the twin’s body before he burnt. 

And since Ciel is the one who annihilated the German organization that was experimenting on kids like Finny and enhancing their strength during the year before Kuro started, Victoria might have (developed) the formula thanks to him (kinda like she almost gained the SuLIN from the GW arc). 

Of course, it’s also possible that you’re the one who has the right idea and, whichever country the blue sect mostly works for/is financed by (Germany? France? unless they’re just creating war weapons to sell to the highest bidder when the war starts?), they have a similar formula to the one developed by those German scientists, which they could have used on the star lords (or just on Polaris who’s supposed to protect

real!Ciel as the blue star’s butler).

Please let me know if anything is unclear, IDK how many posts I wrote on the subject by now, but since everything is possibly entangled together, it can be hard to explain well. :3

About Lizzie, we don’t really agree in the sense that I don’t think her being a pawn used by the sect (despite them seeing her like that) or a damsel in distress (like in that arc from the anime) are the only possibilities for her role in the current arc, but that’s okay. 🙂

Since my answer is becoming super long though

(sorry -_-), I’ll just leave you a link to a post in which I expanded on the subject (alternative title being “hopefully Frances is relevant as a character”) just in case you’re interested!

And finally about Tanaka, who’s probably the most knowledgeable character of the entire cast just like you said (kinda subverted regarding UT and possibly Frances though), I personally took his lack of surprise regarding the twin “not being dead” as something that might be relevant (and possibly foreshadowed in ch120?) to the different sides that are facing off in that arc.

I am 200% prone to reading way too much into details like this however, but it’s just that these days I doubt this arc is as simple as UT + blue sect vs Ciel & Seb. I guess Tanaka’s possible agency in this arc (and alternatively Lizzie’s) depends on what exactly UT’s own agency towards the sect is though, so I’ll just stop there. :3

Again I apologize for rambling (this is exactly the reason I avoided adding anything besides tags to your other post), but thanks again for answering my questions, that was really interesting! ^3^