last post on the subject i swear but basically i always liked “Ciel” because in French the meaning is both “sky” and “heaven” and, well, the poor boy’s soul is damned to end in a demon’s stomach so i found that to be pretty ironic and poetic at the same time

it just hardly works with Astre, sorry not sorry, but it’s the truth. Astre is this word hardly anyone uses in French, because, generally we call the sun “sun” and stars “stars”. It is used when it comes to deviners saying they’ll read your fortune, or even probably in very specific/specialized circles, buuuuut i mean, again, where is the poetry in this?

~~Even Lizzie being called “Soleil” (Sun) because she’s got such a bright smile and is like a ray of sunshine would at least be more meaningful at this point.~~

it’s like the main character from Berserk: a lot of people who don’t know the story find his name ridiculous but it’s actually plot relevant and an extremely mean joke by his violent and very abusive adoptive father because of the circumstances in which he found him as a baby.

So i’m all for a meaningful name for main characters, even if they’re unusual names. it’s just… there are other ways to give our!Ciel a name fitting the sky theme, besides Astre, if that’s what Sensei is after. So that’s why personally i’m very meh on the idea.

I know you hate OC’s name possibly being Astre (non related: does “Ciel” too? Since it’s also a word hahaha) but I saw someone theorizing it might be “Rosier” (I don’t remember who did it… sorry. ;-;) so, I was wondering, since that is also French, would it suck too? :> The rationale behind “rosier” is something about how Phantomhives are associated with roses and stuff. I mean, OC is often related to stars, but just in case, would Rosier be awful for you to read too? XD goodnight, byesies! <3

Hi Anon! No, I’m okay with “Ciel”, because many French first names have an “-iel” ending, so in that aspect it doesn’t sound as weird as you would think as a first name. Besides in 26+ volumes, I had the time to get used to it. x)

However, Astre/Aster or Rosier are just… -_- not my thing, I’m sorry. I get the idea behind those names, so it’s not about symbolism but just about taking random French words and turning them into first names.

Anyway, not to break that idea or anything Anon, but I’ve come to the theoretical conclusion that we probably won’t find out about our!Ciel’s real name anytime soon because…

…I think Sensei is going to stick by the idea that “Ciel Phantomhive” is now his true identity, so it kind of solves the problem. x)

We might learn his real name at the very end of Kuroshitsuji, in case he dies but his soul is collected by a Shinigami who will read his identity out loud, but otherwise I doubt we will ever find out about it (same for Seb’s real demon name, Yana probably won’t ever tell us).

I hope it answers your question! Thanks for passing by and have a great day too! :3

I wonder if the name reveal could happen by seeing OC’s name on a grave at the end of the flashback 🤔 It would be very dramatic.

akumadeenglish:

I agree! That would be indeed very dramatic particularly since this whole flashback started with RC’s question to OC “Why did you lie to everyone and pretend to be me?”.

Anyways, I can see four possibilities for the timing of OC’s name reveal:

the scene where RC gets taken to the altar (this seems like a reasonable timing for RC to ~~finally~~ call his little brother by his name)

OC reading his own name on his own tomb in either one of these scenes at the end of the current flashback (I love your idea!!)

a shinigami reads OC’s real name aloud when OC dies in the very final chapter of Kuro

~~we never get to know OC’s name~~

Do think OC’s real name starts with ‘C’ too? A French name that starts with C.

Hello Anon! Well, I like two names in particular for our!Ciel, which means basically that I’m pretty much neutral towards every other ideas and I dislike every name that is actually a noun, especially when it’s in French. xD

Like, Astre? Worst idea ever and I hope that’s really not his name. Mer, Terre, Sol, Enfer, I saw all these going around (not as jokes sometimes, unfortunately) and they’re definitely awful, still in my opinion. At least Ciel, even if it is a noun, has the rather usual “-iel” ending that can be found in other real names.

Anyway, even though I don’t think Yana will reveal his real name anytime soon because “Ciel Phantomhive” will become his identity again before long…

as I was saying I like two names for his real identity:

Cedric

starts with a C,
is the name of Ciel’s paternal grandpa (I find that rather cute)
is unusual for the time era (which fits with Vincent’s words in ch132)
and is given to French baby boys too xD

Orion

to fit the sky theme
is unusual too
real!Ciel is “Sirius” in the current arc, so Orion would be a nice nod to the current situation with “Lord Sirius”

And that’s about it for me for meaningful ideas, at least for now. :3 As I said though, I just don’t think we’re going to learn his name soon, because “Ciel Phantomhive” is too iconic for the general public, so I doubt Yana will give us his real name until the very end of Kuro.

I hope it answers your question! Have a nice day Anon 🙂

What do you think of Orion for OC’s name? It would fit the sky theme and the twin being called Sirius?

Hello 🙂 Well, anything fitting the sky theme will always be better than Astre or a random French word trying to pass as a name in my opinion, so Orion >>>> Astre. xD

Besides, as you said it does fit with the twin being referred to as “Lord Sirius” and I also like it since Orion was a hunter in Greek mythology and so, as the Queen’s watchdog, it does suit our!Ciel to some extent!

TL;DR

Cedric
Orion
John
Covfefe (thanks to @dorkshadows)
Merde, Astre, Ciel II, Etoile…… you get the drift xD

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and have a nice weekend Anon!