Musing about Baby Gutsca

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So about this little one

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Did anyone notice that to protect his mama in the Tower of conviction arc, he…

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did an equivalent of…

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 what Griffith did several times…

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after being reborn? Except that Griffith was showing the souls to the family of the deceased when the baby simply exorcized the things that were after his mom, or so it looks like?

And since that baby and Femto fused to allow Griffith to be reborn, I wonder if it couldn’t be the baby’s power and, because they fused, Griffith can used that power?
Or Griffith just has all the possible powers that exist because he’s one of the Godhand and Baby Gutsca just happened to get this power in particular as a demon? 
Or all demons can somehow exorcize each other and it’s all inherent to who’s the strongest demon? 

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Also let’s say the demon infant is somehow the moonlight child (I know, it’s just a theory), could it be that the last we saw of him…

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has something to do with what Griffith does when he shows the souls of the departed to their families?

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Except that in the moonlight child’s case (considering the theory he’s the demon infant), the fact he’s a part of Griffith + that it happens on the night of the full moon (when magic is at its strongest) allows him a corporeal body for a short time? 

But at the same time that wouldn’t explain Zodd possibly watching over him from afar, since all of this would mean the moonlight child would disappear after the full moon anyway, even if he didn’t leave on his own…

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The thing is, I’m not ready to believe yet that Griffith is somehow disappearing every full moon to allow the Moonlight Child some freedom and time with this parents (that doesn’t sound like him at all, especially considering what he did to said parents), so there must be an explanation as to how the moonlight child manages to appear at every full moon with what seems to be a corporeal body.

I wonder, does Griffith even know about that? If Zodd really is watching over the Moonlight Child (at least the first time this happened), then there is a good possibility he knows (assuming Griffith doesn’t disappear because the Moonlight Child is allowed to exist for one night), though Zodd is different from the other Apostles, so… who knows really.

Any thoughts?

I believe that the moon child was confirmed in the recent chapters to be an embassy of the fairy King. BUT I feel like the resemblance to guts and casca, as well as the purposeful posing of them as a family, is hinting that there is more to the moon child’s story. The imagery seems too strong to just be a cop out.

@berserk-intensifies

I know it’s been the topic of  a big debate 🙂 but if you’re referring to what Schierke said in vol 37

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I personally never bought it for several reasons:

  • The boy is helpful but Schierke doesn’t know -> except for that time on the Island when Guts asked out loud if the boy was responsible for stopping him, the two other times he helped (against the crocodile and on the ship) are something the whole group is unaware of.
    So all that Schierke knows is that they have a kid with a weird OD with them sometimes who somehow witnesses how things go.
  • Schierke also doesn’t know that Guts and Casca have a child that was used by Griffith to be reborn so it’s not like she could make a possible link between the demon infant and him (and she wouldn’t know about what the SK said about demon children still yearning for their parents).
    That’s why she gives the theory of him being an emissary of Danan, she does with what she knows.
  • You mentioned the strong resemblance and I agree, but then again Schierke doesn’t know that Guts and Casca have a child. I doubt anyone knows btw, besides the Skull Knight that is (I guess maybe Puck could have seen it in Guts’ head, but I’m not even sure of that)…
    • on top of all this, there is the attachment between him and Casca (and Casca always could feel when the demon infant was around, just like she always wanted to take care of him). 

  • Finally, when it comes to the most recent chapters, I personally believe that the moonlight child being linked to the Sovereign of the flower storm was something that got denied fair and square by Gedfryn…
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Because Danan didn’t need any emissary seeing as they had Puck with them. 

So don’t worry I say all that but I know it’s always been a big debate and that Miura’s answer on this will be what will solve this 🙂 but personally I am 100% behind the demon infant = moonlight child (see here for other another reason if you want).

The only thing I’m ??? about

(as I said above)

is if the moonlight child is just the demon infant who somehow manages to get one night of freedom per month, or if there is a bit of Griffith mixed with him. We know he doesn’t have anything to do with Femto otherwise the brand would react, but considering this…

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It could remind of Griffith somehow.

So if the moonlight child = the demon infant, I just have no idea how his fusion with Femto is working. Maybe he can use more power than he could as the demon infant because he’s a part of the new Griffith (like borrowing some of Femto’s huge power?), but I just have no idea what Griffith knows/doesn’t know/is aware of/not aware of when it comes to what’s going on every full moon. 

Sorry for this long post, I just am hoping that we will get more explanations about this specific topic either in Casca’s dream directly or slightly after. I hope it makes sense, thanks for your thoughts in the first place!

@twentytwoyearoldimmaterialgirl said: 

Yeah I think along the same lines. Griffith fusing with the gutsca baby affected him and on the full moon when the baby’s powers are stronger he goes to help his parents out. 

Another theory is that Griffith knows that the child affected him and and use the nights of the full moon to give in to the child’s desire to be with his parents.

I agree about the child possibly using Femto’s powers and that the full moon is 100% the reason he can show up in front of his parents but when it comes to Griffith allowing him to do that… If that’s the case then that means the child has to do something in exchange, because as Femto there is no way he would allow the child to meet with his parents without anything in return.

It’s like when he shows the family of the departed those who died while fighting, it’s to manipulate them and that’s basically why no one besides Rickert called bullshit on him yet, both when it comes to being a king and to the demons he has under his control.

So yeah, maybe he’s aware of the moonlight child going to his parents every full moon and he allowed it in exchange for… maybe a promise the child won’t interfere next time Guts and Casca meet Griffith (like he did in vol22 when he used/”forced” Griffith to save his mom)?
But at the same time, the more the child frequents his parents, the less he’ll want for Griffith to kill them logically? 

Unless it’s like “you know I can’t be defeated so enjoy your parents while they’re still alive” and in that case it would make sense to have Zodd watching over and the child leaving willingly at the end of the night. Maybe Zodd is even the one who suggested the idea after the events of vol22, so Griffith would keep the demon child quiet inside of him. 

Yeah, it’s possible as long as Griffith gets something from the child in return for allowing him one night with his parents, but I really feel for that kid because he’s probably the one that knows best just how powerful Femto is…

@hellokhajiit8 said: 

Have y’all seen the new berserk anime? It shows the monster infant alittle.

Sorry but the manga is the original work and the anime is just focusing on the Tower of conviction arc on top of being badly done, so I don’t think it’s of any help here. :/

Musing about Baby Gutsca

So about this little one

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Did anyone notice that to protect his mama in the Tower of conviction arc, he…

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did an equivalent of…

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 what Griffith did several times…

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after being reborn? Except that Griffith was showing the souls to the family of the deceased when the baby simply exorcized the things that were after his mom, or so it looks like?

And since that baby and Femto fused to allow Griffith to be reborn, I wonder if it couldn’t be the baby’s power and, because they fused, Griffith can used that power?
Or Griffith just has all the possible powers that exist because he’s one of the Godhand and Baby Gutsca just happened to get this power in particular as a demon? 
Or all demons can somehow exorcize each other and it’s all inherent to who’s the strongest demon? 

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Also let’s say the demon infant is somehow the moonlight child (I know, it’s just a theory), could it be that the last we saw of him…

image

has something to do with what Griffith does when he shows the souls of the departed to their families?

image

Except that in the moonlight child’s case (considering the theory he’s the demon infant), the fact he’s a part of Griffith + that it happens on the night of the full moon (when magic is at its strongest) allows him a corporeal body for a short time? 

But at the same time that wouldn’t explain Zodd possibly watching over him from afar, since all of this would mean the moonlight child would disappear after the full moon anyway, even if he didn’t leave on his own…

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The thing is, I’m not ready to believe yet that Griffith is somehow disappearing every full moon to allow the Moonlight Child some freedom and time with this parents (that doesn’t sound like him at all, especially considering what he did to said parents), so there must be an explanation as to how the moonlight child manages to appear at every full moon with what seems to be a corporeal body.

I wonder, does Griffith even know about that? If Zodd really is watching over the Moonlight Child (at least the first time this happened), then there is a good possibility he knows (assuming Griffith doesn’t disappear because the Moonlight Child is allowed to exist for one night), though Zodd is different from the other Apostles, so… who knows really.

Any thoughts?

Am I the only who loves how this kid just communicates perfectly everything we need to understand through panels focusing mainly on his eyes? 

To be honest, for a long time I wondered if he was mute (at the same time he did “talk” to Guts when he saved him), but no matter, the intensity of his beautiful gaze is one of the aspects about his character that I enjoy the most and that’s all because of Miura sensei’s incredible art style. 

Serious question if we consider that the moon kid is the demon infant: don’t you think Casca appears to be more mature when she’s taking care of him? Since she’s probably able to recognize who he is (like with the demon infant), I wonder if it means something. Also do you think he will appear in her « dreams »?

Hey Anon! Sorry for the delay, I wanted to take the time to answer you properly and I needed to think about it for a bit. 🙂

Anyway, you’re right, Casca is definitely acting more mature when she’s taking care of the moonlight child (which is yet another proof for me that he could very well be her and Guts’ son). It goes from feeding him (when she’s unable to eat by herself most of the time)…

…to putting herself in danger in order to protect him…

And she’s indeed able to feel his presence whenever he’s around, be it as the demon infant, the moonlight child and also apparently when he fused with Griffith.

Since the eclipse, she showed abilities to more or less decipher whenever magic is used or when creatures like ghosts or demons are neaby, so I’m pretty sure that’s why she’s so drawn to the moonlight child (besides the possibility he might be the demon infant/her kid).

As for the current episodes and Casca’s corridor of dreams, I definitely think a few characters will appear (Griffith/Femto and Guts are the likeliest candidates, maybe characters like Judeau, Corkus and Pippin too, while Farnese and Schierke will be observers) and I like to think the moonlight child or the demon infant might as well. 

You said it, Casca always acted differently whenever the demon infant or the moonlight child were around, as if they awakened something within her, so either of them or both being a part of her dreams would not be so unlikely. 

I think we should expect Casca’s dreams to be extremely unsettling but also senseless at first (as dreams can be), but maybe once Farnese and Schierke will probe deeper, we might get some sorts of flashbacks that will allow them to understand just what Casca went through (and that could be when the demon child and/or moonlight child will appear).

Also, this is just my personal wish, but since I think that…

what the SK meant was about Casca wanting to save her son (currently in fusion with Femto to make the Griffith people see as their savior lol), I really would like to see Casca “dreaming” of her son and that being one of the main elements leading to her regaining her mind. 

I guess we will see in Spring, but for now I think it’s likely, and in case we don’t get to see him in her dreams, I’d like to get some explanation about him at some point, while they’re still on Skellig Island. 

I hope it answers your question Anon 🙂 Have a nice day!

can’t tell if that person is srs. even ignoring the boy’s affinity for guts & casca he looks just like them lol.

Hey Anon 🙂

Well, that’s okay, I might have been too confusing myself when I explained so we settled things through the messaging system before ch346 came out.

To each their own theories anyway, haha, since the theory that he is the demon infant is not confirmed, it’s not like I can’t understand people thinking about other options. ^^

I agree with you though, no matter what people think, he does look like Guts and Casca, like little Guts too even, and that’s indeed not mentioning how he’s clinging to Casca and saving Guts every time (or what the SK said about demon children yearning for their parents). 

Besides, even Guts was reminded of the demon infant when he witnessed how close the moonlight child was to Casca…

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But well we’ll see which theory is correct in due time. I’m thinking once Casca is cured (not many doubts on this one), we might get more info on him 🙂

Thanks for passing by Anon, and have a nice day/evening! ^^