Theory about the demon infant/moonlight child & dreams

More like crack theory, but it invaded my mind this morning and it just won’t leave me alone, so here goes nothing: going back to the tower of conviction arc, there was a scene that never struck me as odd until, well, this morning and that is:

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What that apostle implied about the demon infant dying and dreaming about the “new world” (aka Griffith being reborn and becoming humanity’s savior lmao) hit something in my mind today because the story is currently focusing on bringing Casca’s sanity back, thanks to a journey through her dreams.

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And in ch348, it was implied that, even though they’re technically called “dreams”, it’s completely possible through them (and thanks to magic) to change the dreamer who is currently asleep in the “real world”. 

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In Casca’s case, hopefully Schierke and Farnese will be able to make good changes, but that got me thinking: what if, through magic, this “corridor of dreams” was… somehow like another “dimension”? A bit like the astral plane if you would, except that it is about “dreams”… 

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…and only powerful beings like the Sovereign of the flower storm have access to it. 

Now, look at the moonlight child: he’s a young kid that many readers believe could be what’s left of the demon infant ever since Griffith’s rebirth, but Schierke told us many times that…

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his OD, to which the brand doesn’t react to, is strange, which means it has nothing to do with the beings of the astral world (or the underworld) that Schierke is used to and he’s clearly not human (or having to do with Danan). 

We know he’s using the full moon to appear because that’s the time magic forces are at their strongest, and it’s actually been hinted that Griffith doesn’t disappear on full moon nights (meaning that these two probably don’t share a body, at least not during the full moon). We also saw him disappear in vol 37…

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…through that tree that expands even to the moon and that apparently links every plane/world together.

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Back to the demon infant and dreams, considering his behavior until Griffith’s reincarnation, I wouldn’t be surprised if he were to have dreams about living a happy life with his parents, especially since the Skull Knight confirmed that all children (even demons) yearn for their parents. 

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And anyway, one of the reasons many readers associate the moonlight child to the demon infant is basically because the moonlight child, each time he appears, behaves as if he were Casca’s child (eyeing Guts and saving him when necessary too). Isidro even called them and Guts out for looking like a family once. 

Here’s the thing though: we know that the demon infant is definitely a current “living” part of Griffith, as the man commented on feeling the baby’s fear for his parents during vol 22 (when Guts and Zodd were fighting), so if Griffith doesn’t disappear on nights with a full moon…

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…that means that the moonlight child (if he’s linked to the demon infant) got his body from someone/somewhere else.

So here’s my theory: what if the moonlight child is none other than the corporeal incarnation of the demon infant’s own dream?

If the baby that became a part of Griffith when he was reincarnated is sometimes dreaming, as the apostle of the tower of conviction implied, then he might be dreaming about seeing his parents again, or simply about what it would be like to spend time as a family?

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And thanks to this baby being a strange being in the first place, but also being a part of Griffith and full moons helping, maybe that’s how the moonlight child comes to be every month for just one night (naked as the demon infant always was and powerful, because it’s the full moon or because of Griffith’s powers that the demon infant might be sharing)?

That would definitely explain the boy’s strange OD in any case and maybe even why he looked to have grown up in vol 36/37, as he would be the first dream incarnation that we would meet in the story (and that would fit with the fact that Griffith/Femto definitely seems still corporeal during the full moon). 

TL;DR maybe the “corridor of dreams” that Danan uses is some kind of plane, like the astral plane, that can be accessed through the world tree.
And maybe, during full moons, the demon infant has enough powers to materialize his dearest dream for one night, which is to say he “dreams” of being a young boy able to spend time with his parents, which is why a corporeal moonlight child materializes where his parents are.

Sorry if something doesn’t make sense, but feel free to leave your thoughts! 

Do you think casca would really regain her mind in this arc? I feel like some plot twist is on the way

Hey Anon 🙂 And wow, how am I supposed not to ramble when I receive such a question? xD Nah but seriously, your question reminds me that I actually intended on writing a post about ch348 but that I got super busy and literally forgot, so it’s a great question. 🙂

First of all, yes, I think that Casca will definitely regain her mind one way or another while they’re at Skellig Island. It’s something I currently don’t have so many doubts about, for reasons I once explained here. My thoughts can still change of course, but for now I am not fearing this possibility. 😀

However I definitely agree about plot twist(s): I agreed before ch348 and I agree even more after reading ch348 because…

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…we got the confirmation that whatever Schierke and Farnese do in Casca’s dream will affect real!Casca. Obviously, it was to be expected since Schierke and Farnese are supposed to cure Casca through understanding her dream, but positive changes definitely aren’t the only possibility. :/

So, since we readers know exactly what put Casca in such a traumatized state, I think we can expect that Schierke and Farnese’s journey through Casca’s dream certainly won’t be an easy and eventless one.
Besides, eventless wouldn’t suit a story like Berserk so, while I can’t say how many chapters will be dedicated to Casca’s dream, I am expecting feels, pain and worry with probably at some point the dreadful feeling that Casca’s recovery/Casca’s safety back in the real world will be at risk (especially since… Griffith/Femto has been shown to invade other people’s dreams before -> the Pope, the citizens of Midland…). 

The other… kind of plot twist that I am sometimes expecting is post-recovery, since, even if she manages to be healed, Casca will still need to learn how to cope with everything that happened to her ever since the Eclipse, which is to say:

  • what Griffith did to her personally
  • the loss of men and friends that were under her command (Judeau, Pippin ;_;)
  • what happened to her and Guts’ child after the Eclipse
  • ….and what almost happened with Guts in vol23

So, because of Casca’s need to cope, I can’t really decide how the reunion between healed!Casca and Guts will go. :/

We all know that Guts is this one main character that life (aka the author) likes to constantly fuck over and many fans are overjoyed at the prospect of Guts and Casca being happy together again, so for now I can’t decide if the reunion will brought tears of joy or of pain to the readers. I made a post on the subject before, to list a few possibilities, if you’re interested.

Finally, back to plot twists during the dream journey, this is just my personal wish, but I would love it if, should Farnese Schierke and Casca be at risk because things took an unexpected turn (as I think it could happen), Puck or the moonlight child (or demon infant?) were to help.

Oh of course, I know that the Queen is very strong, but somehow I felt that Puck being sent to “prison” was a bit strange considering that he always was important and that he had a glimpse into what actually happened to Casca before thanks to Guts. 
As for the moonlight child, it’s simply because he might be related to the demon infant and that, since he saved Guts a few times before, he might do something for Casca as well. Besides, if he actually is related to the demon infant, then I think he’ll have a role to play in Casca’s recovery/post recovery as she always looked to be more alert whenever she had to take care of him, which means to me that she might have been more conscious of things thanks to him. 

TL;DR plot twist(s) probably and recovery very probably as well. 🙂

I hope it answers your question, sorry that it was so long!

Have a nice weekend Anon. 🙂

fairy-no-taizai:

I always thought Casca and the moon child looked very similar (I know it’s because they’re mother / child), so when we saw the baby Casca fairy thing in Chapter 348, my first thought was “the moon child is in Casca’s dream!” Then Schierke identified it as a tiny bit of Casca instead, which probably makes more sense, but it would have been interesting to see the Moon Child in Casca’s dream, held in her chest where Casca’s heart should be.

what does he tiny casca mean? thats so weird

midnight-in-town:

Hello Anon and sorry for the delay 🙂 I wanted to take a good look at the full chapter before taking a guess!

For now and without the translation though, I think…

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that the tiny Casca is what’s left of Casca’s happier self/what represents the insane!Casca after the eclipse. 

Like, the damaged doll also represents Casca and mainly how broken she is, but still, there are still tiny little and joyful parts of herself around, and I’m guessing Farnese and Casca will either have to find more, or tiny!Casca will grow up in size as Casca’s recovery progresses?

She’s so cute tho’ 😀

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She reminds me of the moonlight child somehow xD

We’ll see what the translation has to say though 🙂 Thanks for passing by Anon and have a nice day/evening!

@ Anon

There you go 🙂  [x]

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what does he tiny casca mean? thats so weird

Hello Anon and sorry for the delay 🙂 I wanted to take a good look at the full chapter before taking a guess!

For now and without the translation though, I think…

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that the tiny Casca is what’s left of Casca’s happier self/what represents the insane!Casca after the eclipse. 

Like, the damaged doll also represents Casca and mainly how broken she is, but still, there are still tiny little and joyful parts of herself around, and I’m guessing Farnese and Casca will either have to find more, or tiny!Casca will grow up in size as Casca’s recovery progresses?

She’s so cute tho’ 😀

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She reminds me of the moonlight child somehow xD

We’ll see what the translation has to say though 🙂 Thanks for passing by Anon and have a nice day/evening!

Some fans say that Femto/Griffith still has human feelings (like worry) for Guts and Casca, what do you think? I thought he said that he didn’t have any feelings anymore after meeting with Guts but maybe he lied?

Hey Anon 🙂 Ah, no, I think that was made rather clear and I’m pretty sure that he didn’t lie when he said that:

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It’s in vol 22, you can reread it if you want, because Guts even gets mad asking if he really doesn’t feel anything after everything he did and Griffith simply answers that he won’t betray his dream (which is probably the reason he was the one sent back to be reborn and gained a corporeal body, as well as the reason he was “chosen” by the Idea of Evil in the first place).

Anyway, I think I see why some fans might disagree with this though, but in my opinion that’s plain misreading. 

See, right after this scene, Zodd shows up and starts fighting Guts and we have a small focus on Griffith…

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But there is no need to start theorizing because…

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Of course “maybe Griffith lied” but that’s precisely why another important scene followed just after…

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And the conclusion that Griffith himself reached was that…

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…Which has to be pretty disturbing for him when you think about it, because that means the demon infant he was fused with managed to make him move with his feelings in order to go save Casca. 

So… basically “Griffith” is the result of a fusion between Femto and the demon infant whose corporeal body was used for the reincarnation, but that means that while Femto himself doesn’t have any feelings towards Guts and Casca, the demon baby within him still does and made Griffith act on them in vol22 because they were fused. 

TL;DR both for Guts and Casca, what Griffith felt in vol22 was the demon infant’s fear for his parents.

I have no idea if Griffith found a solution to this… problem (since it’s kinda hilarious for Griffith as Femto to be worried about the two friends he fucked over because of their baby that he also cursed, but considering his gigantic ego issues… he probably wants this to be taken care of) but maybe the moonlight child is a part of the answer.   

Anyway, I hope this answered your question 🙂 Have a nice day Anon!

Reading your berserk post makes me wonder about if Guts ever felt sorry about rejecting his demon kid. He was harsh with it a couple of times, even if it warned him about Casca being in danger. If the moon child really is the demon kid maybe that’s why he’s being so distant about Guts in appearance, because he’s afraid Guts might reject him again.

midnight-in-town:

Hey Anon, thanks for reading and sorry for the delayed answer, I needed to reread a few things! 🙂 

Ahh, it’s one of my fav subjects in Berserk to be honest (considering Guts’ own issues about his one and only father figure, Gambino) but yeah, at first and considering Guts’ broken mental state before he met Puck, there is no denying that he definitely was harsh with his own child, because it was nothing more than yet another demon who could be after him because of the brand…

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But the demon infant probably redeemed himself in Guts’ mind when his warning about Casca turned out to be true.

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And from this moment on, even though they only briefly crossed path at the tower of conviction, I’d say Guts didn’t feel that the demon infant was a threat anymore, since the true warning proved that the little thing, even as a demon, wasn’t trying to harm him or Casca.  

When it comes to feeling sorry about it now that Guts is doing way better thanks to his new travelling companions though… Well I’d say he very probably does to some extent…

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…since he thought once more about the demon infant in vol28, wondering what the baby was up to (seeing as they haven’t seen each other since the tower of conviction).

Besides, in my opinion, since Guts was raised by a father figure he always looked up to and seeked praise and love from, to the point that his death still haunted him even years after…

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…Well, now that he’s emotionally more stable and that he knows the demon infant never wanted to harm either him or Casca, it’s very possible he has some regrets about behaving the way he did towards his child.
At least that’s how I interpreted those two pages of vol 28.

I’m pretty sure it’s a subject Miura will address again in the story by the way, especially because, Guts’ own issues about it aside, it will probably be a big deal to Casca once she’s cured and also especially if the moonlight child is related in some way to the demon infant. 

Besides, since Griffith used the demon infant to be reborn, I wouldn’t be surprised if knowing about this was enough to fuel Guts’ hatred towards Griffith one more time. 

Now, assuming the moonlight child and the demon infant are related/the same character…

(more rambling under read more) 

Afficher davantage

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Hey Anon and awww, thanks for reading! 🙂

To be honest, I’m not sure at all but…

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… since he was attracted by the brand/the brand reacted to him when he was born, I thought that, as clever and worried for his mama as he appeared to be, he wouldn’t want to have her in pain because of him one way or another (otherwise he wouldn’t have protected her that faithfully all this time). 

There is also something that Griffith said on the matter back in vol3:

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That’s just a possibility though, no real clue if it’s right or wrong :/ (and if he’s indeed the moonlight child, now that the brand doesn’t react to him he’s making up for all the times he couldn’t get close to her :3).

Thanks again for reading Anon! Have a nice day/evening 🙂