As a follow up to this post about what the family lineage might be.
I definitely spoke about this before, when ch108 came out and for an old analysis I did of Frances’ character, but it’s been over two years since then and lately I was wondering once more…
…if what awoke within Ciel during the arc in Germany, allowing him to see the Shinigamis, was activated only from time to time or became permanent.
Thus here’s a reminder of the parallel between Frances and Ciel both staring at Seb’s face for no particular reason (Ciel more than Frances, since he literally said it was nothing when Frances called Seb names afterwards), when they both share the Phantomhive lineage.
I can’t be sure whether it was made on purpose or not (I do agree it sounds super random though), but I personally always took that part (above) from ch108 as a possible hint that the lineage thing somehow activated in ch103 and is now permanent, meaning that Ciel’s eyes can see things that he couldn’t before:
like shinigamis even when they’re supposedly hiding themselves from humans
and possibly even through Seb’s human disguise as well.
TL;DR what runs for generations in the Phantomhive family may be the ability to spot either just Shinigamis or supernatural beings in general, and:
No but seriously though, Bravat aside (no matter if he can really see through Seb’s disguise despite being a human), what if…
that’s more or less how Frances sees Seb, thanks to the Phantomhive lineage???
Hence why she’d not only criticize his hair (even if she doesn’t like bangs on everybody so it’s not really a hint) but also his face, when humans in general will describe him as good looking?
Maybe the lineage only allows Phantomhives to notice Shinigamis or maybe it allows more than that? Mayyyyybeeee?
((Imagine Frances’ reaction tho, if she had a way to know Seb was a demon from the first time she saw him: her brother’s family was thought to have been completely annihilated but it turned out that one of her nephews survived…..! Except that he came back with his soul chained to a demon. Poor Frances T_T))
Ahhhhhhhhh senseiiiiiii!! Okay so Bravat just confirmed that his “predictions” weren’t exactly his (most likely UT’s) but it seems he really does see through Seb’s human disguise to some extent!
So guess who else might be able to do the same thingggggg…!
So, remember how in the Murder arc, when Sebastian and Ciel framed Karl Woodley, and Charles Gray hauled him off for “Scotland Yard” to handle it?
Remember how the “police wagon” that took him away was actually being driven by Charles Phipps and John Brown?
(Vol 11 pg 117)
Remember how Charles Gray killed Woodley while he was in that wagon?
So I wonder who’s driving the wagon Sebastian and Ciel are in…
(Ch 144 pg 8)
Abberline says he’ll question Our Ciel at the station, but he already knows what our young master’s involvement was. I’m sure Abberline has some alternative plan to make sure Our Ciel isn’t actually imprisoned.
But if someone else has different plans, and drives the wagon away from Scotland Yard and Abberline’s protection, things could get much more interesting.
as an accomplice to the serial killings committed in the name of the blue star (real!Ciel) who Scotland Yard believes is our!Ciel for now.
Seb will most likely go down the same way too, as an accomplice of our!Ciel, just saying.
I’m not sure Bravat will be helpful to either our!Ciel or Seb though. Clearly he’s a fanatic…
…so going down for the sake of real!Ciel’s radiance and freedom could be something he’s quite proud of/okay with.
The only way for Bravat to somehow become useful would be if he believes that UT and real!Ciel are supposed to get him out of prison and they don’t, which is likely to happen since neither probably cares about him (he seems to be Ryan 2.0 as far as UT is concerned).
Until then though, I doubt even Seb will manage to scare him into talking considering that he already knows about Seb being a demon and he seemed not to give a damn. I could be wrong though. 🙂
TL;DR yes, prison for Bravat too, but either he’s not expecting to stay forever because UT and real!Ciel are supposed to get him back, or he’s going down happy because he’s been useful to his star lords (real!Ciel and whoever the rest of them are) and that’s all that matters to him.
Hi! Ah, I’ve seen this idea going around ever since Monday but I think it’s because the translation is misleading. 🙂
So, no, I’d say Bravat is definitely human. What he meant was simply that…
even if he and the rest of the sect (”his kind”) indeed killed innocent people, they did it while “granting [them] sparkle, offering them happiness by way of food and entertainment”, unlike Scotland Yard who’s treating him quite roughly.
In other words “his kind did nothing wrong because they did it out of devotion for someone who’s better than all of them”.
Also, one more proof that Bravat is definitely human is this…
…because if he were supernatural, I doubt he’d have used to be “a failure of a fortune teller” until he was manipulated and drawn into the sect for real!Ciel’s/the BD project’s sake. So yep, he’s human, at least I personally think so.
I hope it answers your question, have a nice day Anon!
Basically I think that one possibility for this arc, as far as our!Ciel is concerned, is that UT (with real!Ciel) is trying to get rid of the two dangers constantly lurking around our!Ciel.
You heard the man, he doesn’t want to lose more Phantomhives
and that definitely includes our!Ciel (he even said that he made no difference between the twins, in ch131).
To protect our!Ciel tho’, he gotta eliminate the Watchdog duty that’s like a collar Ciel will hang himself with at some point:
and that’s where the dead twin (and first heir) getting his title back could be useful since he’s already dead. So even if Victoria gets to him (since personally I think she’s the big bad), no can end like Vincent and Claudia.
The second danger is Seb
and that could be why Bravat (who was most likely speaking for UT) literally said he could offer help in dealing with Seb during his fortune telling.
Maybe that’s even what the whole framing thing is supposed to lead to. Somehow.
So I don’t know for sure, but it seems UT hasn’t lost his mind and still hasn’t reached his goal, as himself told Othello
and I think that is true, just like Sensei implying that he’s actually not a villain after ch131 came out.
Obviously the whole scheme is super complex, but if UT is after besting the Queen and a hungry demon in one go for our!Ciel’s sake, then he has to have no limit, including using people like Bravat who had a sad life or the S4 and then throwing them away.
So about this “anonymous report”, I’m wondering if Abberline might not be talking about Violet, because…
…he did tell a policeman in Bath about who the true blue star is in ch129 (something like “Earl Ciel Phantomhive” I guess) and so they could have showed up at Earl Phantomhive’s manor as a result.
The thing is though, Violet knew Bravat was in London, but nothing says he knew Bravat would be hiding at Ciel’s manor (but Scotland Yard could have thought of this by themselves, I guess).
In that case, more than anonymous, it would just mean they don’t want Bravat and his allies to know who sold them out, out of protection for Violet’s sake.
Otherwise it could be Paula…
but, rather than Scotland Yard, that should be the explanation as to why Alexis and Edward are here.
Some fans also mentioned Soma, but then again, Soma didn’t really involve himself with this case and would have no way to know that Bravat could be hiding in Ciel’s manor, so I also doubt it’s him.
In case Abberline means that they really got an anonymous tip however, then the third option is that Bravat was sold out by someone who’s already at the manor and that’s when it becomes trickier to guess, because the only ones who’d have a possible reason to sell Bravat out are:
Lizzie? friendly reminder we still can’t be sure of what she meant by “saving the twin” in ch113. It’s looking more and more likely that this was about not having the same blood type, but she could have meant rescuing him from the sect too, especially since she’s actually crying as she’s exposing our!Ciel as a liar. So we’ll need to see the next chapter to check just how far she’s likely to have been manipulated.
Tanaka? he already knew about real!Ciel coming back it seems and his attitude clearly shows that he’s not at ease with the situation, so who knows what he did or didn’t do at the moment?
Undertaker? that’s mostly if the idea that there are two sides being involved behind the blue sect is correct. If that’s the case, UT could want Bravat out of real!Ciel’s sight and leading Scotland Yard to him could be the easiest way to do this.
(The other servants hardly even noticed that real!Ciel =/= their young master so I don’t think it’s them either and there shouldn’t be anyone else besides the star lords left on Bravat’s side)
Don’t hesitate to share if you’ve got other ideas for that “anonymous report”!
Hey so maybe I’m reading too much into this, but…
look at UT’s face upon Scotland Yard’s arrival, compared to everyone else who is 100% surprised, he’s just… smiling.
So maybe he’s really the one who gave that anonymous report then? And in that case, either it’s because he wants to get rid of Bravat or because he wants a lot of witnesses to something that will happen???
Wait guys,
now that it’s confirmed Othello and UT really did know each other, that means…
that Will had forewarned Othello about UT most likely being the culprit behind this case if the dead was being brought back. And that means…
that UT was the one Othello was talking about in ch119???
I know I’ve been annoying with this theory, but I really think that overall this means there is possibly another party (besides just UT) involved behind the blue sect. [x][x]
And in that case if Bravat and UT aren’t on the same side, that could explain UT possibly leading Scotland Yard right to Bravat, to get rid of him?
Abberline in chapter 143: [entering Phantomhive manor] Hey guys! Sorry to interrupt. So, um, Gregory Violet just told us that someone who looks just like Ciel was in charge of that criminal cult, so we went to find you in London to ask you about it, but we found a dead Indian man in your basement and a threat on your wall, so we have a few more questions now.
^^ yes!! Add on the dead lords from the Parliament in Bath and Ciel mentioning chaos at Westminster while also asking Seb to warn the Double Charles about it and you’ve got the perfect blend…
for this arc not to end any time soon
for our!Ciel’s troubles to increase ten folds
One thing that bothers me about the cliffhanger: how and why did Grell and Othello end up at the Phantomhive manor?
Initially I thought that maybe the death list indicated yet another soul to collect in the Phantomhive manor (after Agni ;_;), but then again, from the way Othello speaks, it’s implied that their reason for being here has to do with tracking UT. So the question is, if that’s the case, how did they track UT in the first place?
Did they ask Bravat/did Bravat immediately sell him out?
Not impossible to consider, since we know absolutely nothing about the link between Bravat and the Undertaker in the first place. We don’t even know if UT recruited Bravat as a pawn, or if Bravat’s sect and UT joined for the sake of a common experiment for the count of another organization (like the Osiris company for example), etc.
However, real!Ciel = lord Sirius = the blue star and it seems Bravat is rather fond of him and the other star lords in a fanatical way so…
I doubt Bravat would have led Shinigamis right to real!Ciel since he’s an unauthorized BD and he took great care of them till now.
Same idea but with Lizzie?
Mostly because we don’t know what Othello and Grell did between collecting Agni’s soul and showing up to the manor + because we don’t know where Lizzie is at the moment, even if Paula said that apparently she went to be by real!Ciel’s side (so she should be at the manor or arriving soon in theory?).
Just think about it, the Shinigamis investigated the Sphere music hall (maybe more than once?) so they could have stumbled upon each other and Lizzie could have sold UT out, especially since…
her only reason for staying at the Sphere music hall seemed to have to do with trying to “save real!Ciel” (instead of being mad at our!Ciel I mean), whatever this is supposed to imply.
For example, if she’s talking about not having the same blood type, then it’s mostly irrelevant. However if she’s talking about trying to rescue real!Ciel from the blue sect because she’s a clever girl, then she could have noticed the potential threat caused by UT and could have given his whereabouts to the Shinigamis recently if she met them.
It’s a bit wonky considering the timeline (since we’re still on the same day of Agni’s death and Ed going to fetch Paula) so not the most likely, but I still wanted to mention it.
Othello figured it out?
One way or another since he’s clever, but possibly even more easily if we remember this part from ch125:
Because Ciel possibly looks like 4 people: Vincent, Rachel, possibly Claudia and, of course, his twin brother.
So far I had considered the possibility of Claudia the most because of “50 years ago” but, again, since Othello and Grell investigated the Sphere music hall, for all we know Othello possibly stumbled upon the 4 star lords in their room.
So, imagine this: at some point Othello quickly saw the twin in the Sphere music hall, but since he’s an advanced BD or for whatever other reason, he didn’t think a lot about it. Then Othello met Ciel in Bath in ch125 and was striken by the resemblance.
Afterwards, all he had to do was to ask Grell about who Ciel was, maybe check the Shinigami files about Ciel’s family (the ones that Sascha and Ludgar had for example) and notice that Ciel had a twin brother who supposedly died 4 years ago.
And then, once they were done with collecting Agni’s soul and maybe rechecking the Sphere music hall to find the twin (but he wasn’t there), Othello convinced Grell to head to the Phantomhive manor to possibly catch the twin & whoever brought him back.
Plot convenience?
More often than not, it can be a thing in the story and in that case there is no need for an explanation.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Guess we’ll see next month!! Let me know if you have other ideas. 🙂
EDIT: the more I think about your idea @kurorealciel
the more I like it. Yeah they could have tailed real!Ciel and the guy who killed Agni after Agni’s death. :))
This is just in case we actually start to get to the bottom of this arc in this month’s upcoming chapter. Here’s a list starting with ch108, but feel free to add in case you think I possibly forgot something!
Last update: 12/12
Ch108: what is that weird liquid that UT gave to the twin and why did he say “it’s still too early for you to wake up”?
About Bravat himself: is he a charlatan, or is he a scientist maybe?
He’s human and didn’t use to be a good deviner (ch143)
Also did he really see through Seb’s disguise or was this all pretending too?
He confirmed that he sensed Seb was different at first glance! (ch145)
ch112: how many times did Lizzie give some of her blood to Lord Canopus?
ch113: what did Lizzie mean when she was crying about “not being able to save the twin”? Save him from who or what?
it was most likely about not having the same blood type ‘cause they don’t know about universal recipients (ch144)
ch114/119: about blood transfusions => who mastered the procedure? Does it serve a purpose outside the 4 or 5 star lords (like war, as Wolfram pointed out)? How does it play into making more “perfect” bizarre dolls?
Is it why real!Ciel “grew up” despite dying 4 years ago?
How come no one knows that AB (sirius) is the universal recipient type?
ch114: Othello and “50 years ago” => is this old case relevant to the current arc somehow? Or is it just related to UT’s desertion?
Othello and UT know each other = confirmed (ch142)
ch115: about the twin’s damaged arms that we can see => is it because he’s dependent on blood transfusions?
ch116: is there a reason Nina was chosen by the sect to make all the outfits? Could it be because “the Hopkins tailors have outfitted generations of the Phantomhive family” (and “it’s all for the blue star” who’s the twin)?
ch117: why are the rooms for the 4 or 5 star lords so different? Is it supposed to remind them of their previous environment/social condition when they were still alive?
ch119: Any chance that us finding out about Wolfram having the B blood type (same as Lizzie) will be relevant later? To transfuse Lizzie maybe?
still ch119: was Othello speaking about UT when he said “that one didn’t know much about this stuff… who else is there?”? If so, then can another supernatural being be involved with the sect?
ch123: we found out that Lord Sirius is real!Ciel, but what about the other star lords’ identity? Are they possibly characters we already met (and who died)?
ch124: how/when did Bravat/the blue sect came to know and dialyze those old lords from the Parliament?
About the blue sect: any possible link to the Aurora society or even the mysterious Osiris company?
Also if UT is really the only mastermind behind this, then why the change of method between the Weston arc and now, when he called Agares a masterpiece?
ch125: what’s the point of making a second music hall in Bath? Or is it just a false lead, because it was just the place where Bravat would dialyze the old lords?
ch126: was the twin wearing an eyepatch when he came to attack Agni and Soma? If no, did Soma just fail to notice the difference with our!Ciel?
ch127: who killed Agni? Is it Polaris, the “blue star’s butler”, or is it someone else? Also is he human or a supernatural being, since Agni commented that his killer was really strong?
ch128: what was the purpose of the attack on Soma and Agni? Leaving our!Ciel a message (”who stole the candy from my tummy”)? Or simply the twin being jealous (since Soma does call himself Ciel’s “big brother”)? Something else related to the curry arc maybe, since Ciel made sure Scotland Yard wouldn’t get to Agni?
ch129: Did Ciel leave the pieces of the photo with Soma when they took him to Sieglinde? Will Sieglinde manage to convince Soma that our!Ciel is not the one who attacked him (since he’s the one who brought Soma + especially since she saw our!Ciel has the contract’s seal in his right eye)?
ch129: between the dead lords from the Parliament in ch125 and Violet probably giving the name “Ciel Phantomhive” for the blue star’s identity to Scotland Yard, will our!Ciel get in big troubles and accused of all that Bravat did in this arc?
Yes, he was for a good part of it (ch143)
where are the Double Charles?
ch129: since the servants initially thought the twin was our!Ciel, did they not notice the possible absence of Sebastian by his side? Or do we have a doppelgänger for Seb too?
ch130: how comes Tanaka didn’t appear very surprised about the twin’s return? Could he have known in advance? But if so, who told him and why? (additional question: was it foreshadowed in ch120?)
Also, how and when did Tanaka find out about our!Ciel taking his brother’s identity? Could this be related to him knowing the twin was coming back?
Well, until now I always considered that Ciel noticing the Shinigamis precisely as he did in ch103 and when it never happened previously was possibly the result of:
Seb trying to eat him a few hours before (no matter if it was “just” intended as a wakeup call or not, Seb did attack him)
Wolfram almost killing him
and then being almost blasted to bits by the panzer
In other words, I used to think that maybe the fact he experienced so much trauma (both psychological and physical) in the span of a few hours activated this special part of his Phantomhive lineage somehow (with Seb’s supernatural attack being the biggest trigger).
However, now I wonder if the answer to him noticing the Shinigamis for the first time couldn’t also be linked to…
…the fact that he lost his sight for a little while when he suffered from PTSD during the arc.
I mean, this part was never really explained besides possibly being a side effect of either the miasma or the PTSD itself (more the PTSD than the miasma though, since he could see again from the moment he recovered his mind), so I wonder if this acute blindness couldn’t also be the trigger to his lineage “activating”, which then led to him noticing the Shinigamis in ch103…
Maybe it’s a mix of both the PTSD (losing his sight for a while) and all that he experienced in a few hours upon solving this case (especially Seb “jokingly” trying to eat him)… Thoughts??
@hannibalcatharsis it seems there is a slight misunderstanding, please allow me to explain again! :3
There is absolutely no doubt that what allowed Ciel to notice the shinigamis is his Phantomhive lineage, so no worries. I was just wondering about what the trigger that activated his lineage was, since what happened in ch103 was a first.
When you look at this scene, you can see that Ciel’s reaction is divided in two. First he sensed something, most likely the Shinigamis’ presence (precisely when Sascha mentioned his family)…
…and then he turned around in their direction to immediately spot them, to everyone’s surprise.
It is unknown whether Sascha and Ludgar had chosen to be visible to human eyes or not in ch103, but either way, no matter if the two Shinigamis were visible or invisible, the fact remains that Ciel sensed and then saw where they were exactly.
So I don’t know if the lineage is a sixth sense thing (knowing that something possibly similar happened with Lizzie on the Campania, without mentioning Vincent having an odd moment or two), or an ability to see supernatural stuff, or both, but Ciel definitely noticed the Shinigamis because of his lineage. 🙂 The question now remains as to why this happened in ch103 exactly and never previously in the story, which is what I was trying to find answers to, in my post above:
Is it Seb attacking Ciel with his demonic form, for the wakeup call?
A supernatural attack (especially since it never happened before) could have triggered the activation of a supernatural ability of his lineage for all we know.
Is it related to the PTSD during which he lost his sight, or to Wolfram and the panzer almost killing him?
Because it could also be that the supernatural side of his lineage was triggered since he went through a lot in such a short period of time, as some sort of defense mechanism for example.
However, there has to be some sort of activation to this lineage, otherwise we wouldn’t have seen such a big reaction out of Ciel for the first time in ch103. 🙂
I hope it helps, sorry again for creating confusion :33
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