Answer next month probably, because the timeline finally fits, and…
It’d fit with the whole point of Section 13 being about experimenting in order to give powerful demons a durable vessel.
They tried baby clones in tubes (iirc?),
so next maybe…
they could try experimental surrogacy, starting with Yuri?
Personal opinion, but I just can’t see Yuri doing the do with Satan next month, since she’s clearly still in love with Shiro (Sensei said after the chapter was released that there was no hope for them, I’m sad ;_;) and having sex with him probably isn’t supposed to be a part of her whole “maybe helping Rinka” idea.
However carrying what could be a new vessel “for Rinka’s sake” might be something she could agree with? At least initially? Obviously the concept is horrible because, if this is what happens, then she’s probably going to be injected/experimented on with stuff like elixirs/Satan’s powers daily, so that the vessels (the twins) will develop to be powerful enough to withstand Satan.
And things are probably going to take a turn for the worst at some point, because…
…otherwise, if the twins are originally a project of Section 13 (which has the support of the Order’s top brass), why would the Order ask Shiro to get ready to kill the babies?
Maybe Yuri ended up realizing she didn’t want her babies to become Satan’s vessels? Or the twins turned out to be way more powerful than expected? Or she didn’t know what the plan was initially and when she found out, she turned out to be against it? Could be why Satan possibly burned her to death…
I don’t know but there has to be a twist to the twins’ existence somehow, because the flashback is really building up to this and also because we know that learning about the truth in alternative universes didn’t help with Yukio’s issues at all.
I just can’t see something physical between Satan and Yuri, even less the violent alternative of it not being consensual if it somehow happens so, eh, let’s go with the science option for now.
I think Yuri still doesn’t realize how bad section 13 is. She eventually finds out and Shiro and Mephy help her escape somehow?
@rottenprincessshura100 Forgot to mention earlier, but honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Mephisto really didn’t have to force Shiro into raising Yuri’s sons (so Shiro going against the Order for Yuri’s sake => yas). 🙂
There is that deal between them, that if Shiro ever caves in front of a demon, he’ll have to do something for Mephy. However, seeing how bad the situation will probably suck for Yuri considering how kind-hearted + how she indeed doesn’t seem to realize that Section 13 is the worst, I could see Shiro deciding to raise the twins out of love for Yuri but also out of a giant “fuck u” towards the remnants of Section 13.
About Mephy though, he knows everything at anytime, literally speaking, so I’m guessing Mephy not interfering with Yuri’s predicament might be the same as having his authorization and him “helping”. xD
I know several readers in the fandom have this theory that maybe Mephy is the big bad as far as the twins are concerned (and not Satan or the Illuminati), because he’s the chessmaster…
and he controls every development in the story, because he’s always a step ahead and… Honestly it’s a very cool idea.
Hard to pull off, I hope Sensei knows what she’s doing if she’s heading there, but hella impressive if she can manage it, because Mephy is on Assiah’s side, no doubt about that, so for him to be Assiah’s big chance but also the big bad towards the twins’ situation, that’d be amazing writing.
Anyway, I’m rambling, but all that to say that…
Satan, Yuri and Shiro are all a reason the twins exist, but Mephy (omniscient as he is, as Samael), is the one who allowed all of it to take place. So whatever is going to happen to Yuri, Mephy already knew probably way before she was born and is probably going to let stuff unfolds the way he wants it to, for his own plans. Or he plans according to the developments he already knows about (same deal).
He’s a great character: I love to despise him. And I have mad respect for Shura since she’s the only one who constantly calls him out on his bullshit (Arthur too, but it’s less emphasized on). :))
Answer next month probably, because the timeline finally fits, and…
It’d fit with the whole point of Section 13 being about experimenting in order to give powerful demons a durable vessel.
They tried baby clones in tubes (iirc?),
so next maybe…
they could try experimental surrogacy, starting with Yuri?
Personal opinion, but I just can’t see Yuri doing the do with Satan next month, since she’s clearly still in love with Shiro (Sensei said after the chapter was released that there was no hope for them, I’m sad ;_;) and I doubt it is supposed to be a part of her whole “maybe helping Rinka” idea.
However carrying what could be a new vessel “for Rinka’s sake” might be something she could agree with? At least initially?
Obviously the concept is horrible because, if this is what happens, then she’s probably going to be injected/experimented on with stuff like elixirs/Satan’s powers daily, so that the vessels (the twins) will develop to be powerful enough to withstand Satan.
And things are probably going to take a turn for the worst at some point, because…
…otherwise, if the twins are originally a project of Section 13 (which has the support of the Order’s top brass), why would the Order ask Shiro to get ready to kill the babies?
Maybe Yuri ended up realizing she didn’t want her babies to become Satan’s vessels? Or the twins turned out to be way more powerful than expected? Or she didn’t really know what the project was initially and when she found out, she was against it? Could be why Satan possibly burned her to death…
I don’t know but there has to be a twist to the twins’ existence somehow, because the flashback is really building up to this and also because we know that learning about the truth in alternative universes didn’t help with Yukio’s issues at all.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I just can’t see something physical taking place between Satan and Yuri, even less the violent alternative of it not being consensual if it somehow happens so, eh, let’s go with the science option for now. 🙂
Yup. I must say it bothers me when people blame Shiro for Yukio’s depression- I’ve seen a lot of people hating him for not doing a better job, but honestly, I don’t think he could have done any better given the situation? I’m sure he pushed the kid too hard at times, but a) he was most likely under direct orders if not a death contract from Mephisto, and b) Rin IS, no matter how you turn it, a very dangerous demon. He’s friendly, but as Shiro has witnessed before, even a friendly demon in a bad mood can cause a huge amount of destruction. And Yukio was scared and weak. Can you blame the man for trying to toughen him up, keep him safe? Especially given his own background- he managed to regain, or rather, reclaim his humanity and tried to be the best “Yuri” he could be- In order to give her kids what she gave him.
Had Shiro lived longer, I think I might have been able to steer Yukio in another direction (or at least give the boy a slap and a hug like he ought to)… But then again, that is exactly why he had to die.
You probably don’t mean me with this post, since I don’t hate Shiro at all. But I think partially blaming him for what has occurred is an understandable conclusion. I expect that Shiro will be eventually vindicated, but for now we don’t have that information.
I’ve seen the word “depression” used to describe Yukio’s situation for a while now, but I don’t think it’s the right word. Depression describes a mental health condition that is defined by the lack of dependence on circumstance. Yukio’s mental state was degraded by external factors. Shiro’s death, Rin’s awakening and enrollment in cram school, and Yukio’s promotion to teacher are all events that have significantly affected Yukio since chapter 2. His mental fragility systematically increased after his fights with Toudou, discovering the Satan blue eyes, and his conversations with Shima and Lucifer. While Yukio’s conceal-don’t-feel attitude has been called out since chapter 15 as making him vulnerable, it took a lot to drive him to the edge.
Shiro had his own issues, but he had fifty years to work on them. He had good reason not to screw up on raising the twins, since failing basically meant the death of everyone on Earth. And at the end of the day, he was the adult, and Rin and Yukio were children.
I honestly believe Shiro did recognize the problems with Yukio. I mean, Shura picked up on Yukio’s issues within just two weeks of hanging around him, and Shiro is not an idiot. We’ve also seen that Shiro took corrective action routinely with Rin, so surely there had to have been attempts to deal with Yukio. Unfortunately the only person who can remember those attempts is Yukio, who currently has tunnel vision. But this is only theory right now. Kato has tried to show that Rin and Yukio were treated differently and said in the interviews that Shiro is harsh in Yukio’s flashbacks.
The authority Mephisto had in the direct actions of raising the twins is still unknown. His orders could’ve been anything from nebulous (”keep these kids from annihilating the planet without killing them”) to detailed (”raise until turn 18 years of age blah blah”). We’ll probably have an answer in a few chapters or so. But I don’t think that the Morinas was explicit beyond don’t talk about Section 13 and all that implies. IMO the blame Shiro holds isn’t for not telling Yukio the truth, but for not intervening on Yukio’s building self-hate and envy of Rin.
I think Shiro made mistakes and could’ve done things better. IMO that makes him an interesting character. He wasn’t daddy Jesus like how the first anime portrayed him. He came from an insanely terrible place and had a tough job. That mitigates the blame, but it’s still there. Well, for now. I really believe Shiro will be vindicated in how he raised both Rin and Yukio, but only near the end of the manga for dramatic reasons.
Oh no, I completely agree! This is basically what I was trying to say, but with more words & nuance 😛 “Depression” was the best summary I could do for Yukio, though it’s more like “existential dread” combined with severe anxiety, guilt, fear and resentment, served with an unfortunate amount of ambition as a cherry on top. It’s not like Shiro never screwed up- Could he have done better? Probably. But given the hand he was dealt I think he’s done a phenomenal job.
It’s true we still don’t know what Mephisto’s involvement was when Shiro took in the twins, but the fact that Shiro seemed well aware that not only was he going to die, but it’s strongly hinted that he knows in what way, or at least that Satan is going to come for Rin, AND the fact that Shiro had the Kamikakushi Key all this time, suggests that he may have taken a similar trip to Rin’s, or at least that Mephisto told him certain things…
Time will tell~ Or actually, Time will sit on his ass eating cupcakes and snickering while watching us stumble around in the dark
Crack theory for now, but what if Yuri was the one who actually managed to put an end to the Blue Night?
Until now, personally I always considered that Mephisto or Lucifer (through deciding to go forward with creating the Illuminati or something) were the ones who were the most likely to manage talking their dad out of destroying more of Assiah for the time being.
((I also wondered about “Shemihaza” (aka most likely Shiemi’s grandmother), as a parallel to Shiemi protecting everyone from Rin’s awakening in ch98, but also because Lucifer himself seemed to be a little receptive to her.))
However, Yuri still remains the only one so far who was ever shown to have any kind of control over “Rinka”
on top of being acknowledged as a very good tamer/exorcist.
…And maybe that’s even how/why she died?
As I said, crack theory, but I would find this a really ironic development because today she’s known/seen in some parts of the Order as “the apostate who gave birth to Satan’s sons”, thus who is maybe held responsible for the blue night, when the truth could turn out to be the opposite.
In a way, it’s really on the same level as Rin and Yukio taking turns believing that Shiro raised them as weapons for the Order (mostly Yukio tho’), when the real reason he decided to take care of them was most likely out of love for Yuri.
Besides, imagine if Yuri’s death is because she wanted to protect her sons/people from Satan’s Blue Night…
Hey I wonder about if Yuri will ever search/find out about why Oku and Obaba used to be exorcists but quit at some point? Which led them to become homeless, I suppose?
With everything about Section 13 and Asylum, it would be interesting if Sensei were to show that a few exorcists couldn’t maybe handle a few secrets they found out about and chose to leave the Organization instead of being associated with it?
Especially since one could argue that the way they died was a little suspicious. I mean, there is no real argument or proof, because Yuri was 6, the scene was quick and they said it was a fire but was it really accidental? Who knows.
… Now that I think about it though, It’s kinda the same about Yuri’s biological family’s situation because…
what about this super shady family business that’s quickly mentioned?
I’d consider it random, just giving a reason to why she had no family in the first place, but her family name is also the name of the demon king of water at least in English. Maybe there is a difference in Japanese when it comes to how it’s written, I have no idea, but it would be interesting if it wasn’t a coincidence, leading to Yuri reasearching about her past and the people she used to live with.
So was Oku’s name really “Oku” and Yuri decided her sons would have a (made-up) related family name because he was like her surrogate father? Or maybe it was actually “Okumura” and it’s because she’ll research about him, find out about this and why he left the Organization, that she’ll give his name to her sons?
I don’t know but I feel ch100 and ch101 still have bits that are shady despite this trip in the past being supposed to be about giving Rin answers…
I was thinking about this again and I wonder if the cliffhanger of the last chapter couldn’t eventually lead to Yuri researching about all of what’s mentioned above, especially Oku’s and Obaba’s defections. Because…
…finally meeting Goro/Rinka/Satan (and seeing him most likely getting captured again) might make her find out/understand about Section 13, thanks to what Shiro already told her about his life.
Unless it will really have to be for later because she won’t think about her foster parents until she’s going to be pregnant herself?
In any case, there is no way that Yuri, who believes that “exorcists save people from demons (but don’t kill perfectly safe demons)”, wouldn’t be against everything that Section 13 represents, even if that gave Rinka a vessel.
I’d really love Yuri realizing that the Order is full of bad business (namely through realizing that Shiro’s awful childhood is totally linked to that) and that she will follow in the steps of Oku, the man who raised her, and leave it behind.
It would make a nice symbolism as to why she then decided (or Shiro did, if she told him about it?) that she’d give his name/a related name to her sons.
Besides, Rin is witnessing all of it and so it’d make sense that he has to see something like this too: Shiro was chained to the Order from birth to death (as Mephisto claimed in ch101) but nothing says Yuri will agree to it for herself and that could lead to Rin wondering about what he will do in the current timeline.
Bringing this post back again, because…
I can’t believe Yuri will not ever start to question if she really wants to work for long in a place like Section 13, especially when we still don’t know if there is a meaning as to why Oku would have rather remained homeless over working as an exorcist apparently.
Besides, even if just for Shiro’s sake or for these clone kids who are still going through all of this…
…I hope she realizes what she was thrown into. If she’s doing it for Rinka’s sake, because she had to get involved due to their bond, then fine, but I hope it will go beyond that and she’ll eventually call them out or something…
Listen I gotta share, because it’s so cute and it’s totally one of these things that personally I can only notice during an insomnia phase, a little over a month away from a very important exam. xD
I’m talking about Rin’s confession to Shiemi in ch73 and the awkward moment of adorable confusion that followed. In between though, here’s what I missed till ten hours ago:
The whole scene has Shiemi with her head on Rin’s shoulder, until she moves away and flushes after what he said, but look at what he does next…
He shifts closer, as if leaning in a little while Shiemi goes “? Rin?”, but then he remembers Yukio so he shifts back quickly…
and starts asking about if maybe Shiemi wouldn’t actually prefer Yukio. Then the rest of the chapter goes on.
Anyway, maybe I’m just super late and other fans had already noticed, but I love how a good use of paneling is actually putting in the foreground more unspoken details of that cute scene
(I mean, I’m not sure Shiemi realized what he almost tried), especially since it’s exactly like Rin to get a little carried away.
In the first place, it’s Shiemi acting so nice and close that led to him blurting out his feelings, before almost going for a kiss after she said that she was happy to hear that. He forgot everything for like a minute, because that’s how he is, until Yukio came to mind, since inwardly he doesn’t want to fight with him on this.
The whole scene is just… really like Rin and honestly it’s cute.
FOR THOSE WHO READ CHAPTER 99 Ekhm so @skeletonskecthes pointed that out to me and omg?? So basicially that means Shiro already met Rin from the future in the past??? o-o I think that’s what he meant when he said that in ten years Rin will see something more frightening? Cuz he met 16yo Rin in the past Q-Q and he knowssss
AND YOU GUYS KNOW What that means Rin will totally met shiro in next chapter, and will talk with him T-T dunno if I’m ready
Is being a tad emotionally combustive, but mostly very cute:
UNTIL…
And:
This is just me rambling while waiting for the translation on Monday and the next chapters (I hope you don’t mind OP), but I love the way Sensei is slowly uncovering everything.
What really surprised me is that the cliffhanger of the newest chapter is already presenting Satan as he was in ch1, or even during the latest Rin/Yukio confrontation, so I wonder how Yuri is supposed to ever let that guy become closer to her, if we’re not considering something like the immaculate conception or an even worse scenario…? Unless we get a plot twist very similar to what happened in Berserk, altho’ less horrifying plz.
After their fight in ch103, at least Shiro gradually started to act nicer, but Goro being possessed by a demon, I’m not sure he will change back now that he awoke. And the other thing is, Goro acted very competitive towards Shiro from the start, so I doubt he’ll be super fond of more Shiro/Yuri possible development.
Then again, Yuri’ll call her sons after the nicknames she gave to “Rinka” and Shiro, so either she’s really seeing Rinka and Satan as two different demons (maybe because of all that Rinka did for her, being her friend during childhood, protecting her?), or she still felt some affection for Rinka despite how violent and different Satan started to act? She’s got a real gentle heart, after all.
I just love the parallels between the triangles Goro(Satan)/Yuri/Shiro and Yukio(Satan)/Shiemi/Rin, with both “Goro” and Yukio seeing their brother as competition (and clearly being jealous of them), because the girl of the trio is showing more interest in them amongst other things.
Hey I wonder about if Yuri will ever search/find out about why Oku and Obaba used to be exorcists but quit at some point? Which led them to become homeless, I suppose?
With everything about Section 13 and Asylum, it would be interesting if Sensei were to show that a few exorcists couldn’t maybe handle a few secrets they found out about and chose to leave the Organization instead of being associated with it?
Especially since one could argue that the way they died was a little suspicious. I mean, there is no real argument or proof, because Yuri was 6, the scene was quick and they said it was a fire but was it really accidental? Who knows.
… Now that I think about it though, It’s kinda the same about Yuri’s biological family’s situation because…
what about this super shady family business that’s quickly mentioned?
I’d consider it random, just giving a reason to why she had no family in the first place, but her family name is also the name of the demon king of water at least in English. Maybe there is a difference in Japanese when it comes to how it’s written, I have no idea, but it would be interesting if it wasn’t a coincidence, leading to Yuri reasearching about her past and the people she used to live with.
So was Oku’s name really “Oku” and Yuri decided her sons would have a (made-up) related family name because he was like her surrogate father? Or maybe it was actually “Okumura” and it’s because she’ll research about him, find out about this and why he left the Organization, that she’ll give his name to her sons?
I don’t know but I feel ch100 and ch101 still have bits that are shady despite this trip in the past being supposed to be about giving Rin answers…
I was thinking about this again and I wonder if the cliffhanger of the last chapter couldn’t eventually lead to Yuri researching about all of what’s mentioned above, especially Oku’s and Obaba’s defections. Because…
…finally meeting Goro/Rinka/Satan (and seeing him most likely getting captured again) might make her find out/understand about Section 13, thanks to what Shiro already told her about his life.
Unless it will really have to be for later because she won’t think about her foster parents until she’s going to be pregnant herself?
In any case, there is no way that Yuri, who believes that “exorcists save people from demons (but don’t kill perfectly safe demons)”, wouldn’t be against everything that Section 13 represents, even if that gave Rinka a vessel.
I’d really love Yuri realizing that the Order is full of bad business (namely through realizing that Shiro’s awful childhood is totally linked to that) and that she will follow in the steps of Oku, the man who raised her, and leave it behind.
It would make a nice symbolism as to why she then decided (or Shiro did, if she told him about it?) that she’d give his name/a related name to her sons.
Besides, Rin is witnessing all of it and so it’d make sense that he has to see something like this too: Shiro was chained to the Order from birth to death (as Mephisto claimed in ch101) but nothing says Yuri will agree to it for herself and that could lead to Rin wondering about what he will do in the current timeline.
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