Akira confessed that she loves both Amon ,and takizawa ,but from what I can get she loved Amon more seriously if he didn’t block her kiss their relationship would have gotten much more advanced. Tell me what you think about this please :)

Hey Anon, sorry for the delay. 🙂

Actually, I totally disagree with this line of thoughts that I’ve seen more than once in the tags and, to be honest, it kinda irks me when people try to compare “who’s better/who she loves more seriously” when:

  1. she made herself clear on this subject already 
  2. her recent actions confirm her words 
  3. people seem to forget how Amon and Seidou’s interactions also play a role into whatever is going on with Akira.

So I really think that this panel

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…sums up the feelings of Akira for her boys perfectly. 🙂

Anyway, even putting this panel on the side, I believe what we’ve seen of Akira, Seidou and Amon interacting during TG is enough to show just how different her relationship and personal feelings towards the two are, even though she was unable to love one more than the other at the end of TG (and I think that’s still what’s going on in :Re, at least currently, since that could very well evolve later).

  • With Amon:

She “hated” him at first because she held him responsible of her father’s death until alcohol sorted the matter out, because Amon could hear what she had to say and she could hear what he had to say about the matter of her father’s death…

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And that’s when she started to become warmer with him…

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Which is a good development that does speak of a crush Akira started to have. 

About the “kiss” that Amon stops from happening, I think it’s actually a very good thing that it didn’t happen as it had no real connotation of romance in this particular case, although the relationship between them was changing in a good way at the time. 
The pressure from the future battle was building up, Amon was scared she would do something stupid during the fights and Akira was rather angry that maybe he was projecting his fears of losing yet another comrade onto her due to Harima’s death…

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so she tried to “make him see” that she and Harima were two different persons and that’s why Amon blocked her kiss, since it had nothing to do with a romantic gesture at all.
…Also it would be wise, when analzying the development of Amon and Akira’s relationship, not to forget that it’s rather obvious during TG that Amon still had some feelings for Harima (I’m thinking of ch111). Just saying, because it matters too. 😉

TL;DR Akira and Amon were only slowly learning to accomodate to each other in TG, even if they were getting along better than at the beginning and there was a good possibility for romance if TG hadn’t ended the way it had.

If you forget Seidou that is. 

  • With Seidou:

It’s not because they would often argue with each other that she didn’t have any fondness for him, far from that. In fact the recent chapters of :Re made it clear that…

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…they are the same, watching one another from afar, but Seidou’s attitude led them to misunderstand each other for a long time.

Seidou’s inferiority complex complicated everything because it led Akira to believe he really disliked her (which is something he probably believed too, until Amon and Akira got close and he started noticing his own feelings)…

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That is why she couldn’t show him that she was fond of him in her own way when she was sure he had a grudge against her.

The time they got drunk together also changed things between Akira and Seidou, like it did for Amon and Akira, because they never argued again afterwards and Seidou started noticing his own feelings.

So you could sum up things in TG that way:

  • Seidou and Akira have a history that’s longer than what Amon has with Akira, but it’s different because initially Seidou was the hostile one when Akira was the one rather hateful towards Amon.
  • Until the moment they got drunk, their trio was as such: Akira being distant, Amon trying to reach out to her and Seidou being in admiration of Amon + arguing with Akira.
  • After they let out the truth through alcohol, Akira started to respect Amon while he started to see her as a not-so-cold person and that led to Seidou noticing his own feelings for Akira.
  • During the Anteiku raid arc, Seidou left because he wanted to save Amon + because he knew Akira was worried about him and he took that opportunity as a way to also show her what he was able to do because he was tired of thinking she never looked at him.

Then shit happened and we’re moving onto :Re:

  • Seidou killed Tatara to show Akira and Houji that he wanted to go back to their side but his plan backfired and he almost killed Akira until Amon intervened.
  • Amon managed to save Akira and offered Seidou a chance at redemption.
  • Akira protected Seidou from Mutsuki because she always felt guilty of never stopping him from going after Amon during the Anteiku raid arc.
  • Amon fought to protect both Seidou and Akira against Urie’s squad and he gave his cross to Seidou because he knows Seidou can live on and make the right choices from now on.

So do you see the pattern, Anon? 🙂 It never was about Akira/Amon vs Seidou/Akira the whole time, it was always about their trio from the moment Akira was introduced in the story, which means there are 3 relationships to take in consideration: Akira/Amon, Seidou/Akira but also Seidou/Amon 

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and from what we’ve seen so far I personally believe that each relationship factors in the other two’s developments.

So Akira/Amon vs Seidou/Akira makes no sense at all to me and for now I see it as a status quo, which means the dynamic of their trio could change later and Akira could start loving one of the two more than the other if the plot makes it that way, but we’re definitely not there yet, not when Amon just went missing once more.

Also, since Ishida-sensei likes to address “controversial” topics in his story, I just wouldn’t mind at all if Sensei were to use the Amon/Akira/Seidou trio as an example of polyamory.

I hope it makes sense Anon, sorry it turned out to be so long and feel free to disagree with me if you just don’t see it that way.

Have a nice weekend :))

What makes you ship SeiAki? Like why do you ship it over Akiramon?

shirogance:

Oh here we go.

I’m sure you’re expecting a full on theory on why I ship it, but honestly I’m in a silly mood right now. I could write paragraph after paragraph on why I seriously ship it but nah.

Akiramon is the closest thing there is to canon in Tokyo Ghoul, I get it. But honestly have you no originality? I enjoy the angst and adorable small fandom this shipping has, not the aggressive theorists all up in my grill and beating me with their opinion baguettes. Personally, Amon’s broad shoulders could actually knock Tokyo off of the map. He’s gigantic and it scares me. Just like, Akira sits behind him in a movie and she goes apeshit ballistic because all she can see is a fucking battleram. omg im off topic sorry. But SeiAki is adorable as fuck, and even if it’s probably never going to happen. It’s nice to sob violently about it and express it to others. It’s mostly just a matter of taste, like Tsukiyama x Kaneki is a taste. So, whatever you ship is fine. Don’t let others push you into theirs, especially if it makes you uncomfortable.

sorry.

@burnmeinseiaki

Wow, I’m sorry I don’t know how old this post is so my answer might never reach you or not be accurate to your current feelings, but I just wanted to say that I really disagree with you about Akira x Amon being the closest to canon between the two pairings (I’m not trying to offend you here, just saying ;)). 

For the record I ship both Akiramon and Seiaki, and Seiaki definitely isn’t “never going to happen” since there are many proofs of the canon existence of said pairing already. So if this pairing canonly exists (as in, the two characters showed proof of being attracted by the other), then I don’t see how it has less prevalence than Akiramon.

I’m not even speaking of a pairing only about sexual tension or fans going crazy over cute interactions here, because there is a lot of evidence about Seidou’s huge crush on Akira and it’s as blatant and clear as Akira trying to kiss Amon or her saying that she “liked both of them”.

Even in :Re, all we got so far for these two pairings were SeiAki interactions and nothing Akiramon related.
[Because yes, I call Seidou getting ready to jump on the person who recognized him but then giving up when he recognizes Akira a proof that, even after what Aogiri did to him, he still can’t bring himself to hurt her (and it was later confirmed to be as such by Ishida)]

I’m sorry, I hope you don’t mind me butting in, and I don’t know if the way you wrote your answer was to avoid an eventual hateful anon coming after you, but with all the proofs there are you can totally yell that this ship has as much validity as Akiramon if that’s what you wanted, because it’s true. 🙂

Um in your opinion Mado seeing Takizawa at the end of the auction arc might mean there is hope of redemption for him? He looks pretty gone to me except for that one moment so i’m wondering if he can really be saved. Of course I read your post explaining how he might have such a big crush on her, but since Amon is also in the equation, do you not think she might try to save one more than the other?

Hmm… that’s an interesting and complicated question (this kinda got long and sometimes out of topic, sorry in advance Anon).

Well, to be honest I hope there is hope but redemption is not exactly what I’m thinking about for Seidou.

As I said in a different post before: Seidou’s worst enemy is his own self, he’s eaten from the inside by an inferiority complex that he very probably developed as a child. It was expressing itself through anger, Akira, Juuzou and even with Haise recently in the auction arc, and that is the thing he needs to take care of, if we ever want to see him back on the “good side”. 

The problem is, it’s easier said than done, unfortunately.

Actually, I don’t think saying Seidou is gone is the most accurate, because he has his full memory and brain capacities (he remembered that girl who spoke during the classes, he remembers Akira and his past as a student…), and even though his physical appearance strongly suggests that Aogiri tortured him a lot, I think he is totally conscious of what he’s doing and of the path he’s taking. 

No, the real problem for Seidou right now is that his mind is entirely twisted by what Aogiri put him through but not only, because Aogiri also probably pushed Seidou’s inferiority complex on another level (unconsciously or on purpose, I can’t decide) and as he is now, between the probable torture sessions but also from how he sees himself, he is not exactly gone but rather totally engulfed in this wrong vision he has of the world and of himself.

For example, he doesn’t see himself as a ghoul…

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But he’s not a human either, since humans are the sweets and he’s the one eating them.

So how does Seidou sees himself?

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It took me a while to figure it out but as a half ghoul, Seidou is stronger than the humans he eats (for example, he killed and ate Special Class Ato and many others) and also stronger than most ghouls (he could take Hina and almost went on par with Sasaki), especially after what Aogiri put him through but also because he’s seen as one of Kanou’s real success (hence his rivalry with Sasaki, who is seen as the best success).  

So yes, I think Takizawa sees himself as death (’once you’re death, death is no longer scary’) and that’s why he preys on those weaker than him. 

It’s all about the inferiority complex: good and bad, humans or ghouls, none of this matters. Seidou is stronger, Seidou became death under Aogiri’s (or rather Tatara/Eto/Kanou’s) hands and if he had the choice, I am not sure he would ever go back to his previous life as a CCG investigator.

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Torture is supposed to break men (look at what happened to Kaneki), but it didn’t exactly work like that with Seidou: by being called a successful experiment (unlike Amon for example), the inferiority complex inside his mind pushed him to accept his fate as a half ghoul (even if that meant siding with “that bastard Eto”) because in this life he was no longer a loser, he was no longer scared.

Of course, Eto seems to control him, and there is no way she would let him leave Aogiri (seeing as he is a successful experiment), but I don’t think Seidou would want to leave Aogiri in the first place, not when he’s seen as a success (when he used to see himself as shit before) and when the organization’s name inspires fear to both ghouls and the CCG. 

Don’t make me say what I didn’t say though! I think Seidou is suffering a lot because of Aogiri and yet he still thinks that this life is better than the previous one, because at least in this life, he’s not a loser.
Were he to realize that his way of thinking and of seeing himself are totally off, he would also definitely realize that his life as a half ghoul at Aogiri’s mercy is seriously horrible.

As I said though, it’s easier said than done and I don’t think he’ll manage to recover from all this on his own.

And that’s when Akira steps in. 

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think if there is one person who will be able to get Seidou out of this unbreakable cycle, it’s her.
Because of that one scene that changed everything about half-ghoul!Seidou’s character:

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 This might not be so understandable at first but here is what I think happened:

  1. Akira arrives to save Haise and sees him first 
  2. She calls his name
  3. Takizawa lifts his head, ready to play the “Togi prank” on the one who’s recognizing him (because he’s “death” and no longer loser!Takizawa and he can prove it)
  4. But then he sees her, hides his face in shame and flees

And why is this scene important? Because it’s the only time so far in :Re when we see Takizawa hesitating and eventually giving up. He didn’t hesitate when he murdered Ato or Togi, or when he fought Sasaki and Hinami (who technically was on the same side as him) but he fleed in front of Akira. After showing signs of extreme unease to think she saw him “like that”.

So I think it definitely means that Ishida intends to write more about these two since she’s the only one who got such reaction out of him, and knowing the huge crush he very probably (almost undoubtedly) had on her since their Academy days, I wouldn’t be surprised if Ishida was heading towards Akira being the one saving Seidou.

There is obviously a reason about why Akira is the one mentoring Sasaki and, even though ghouls killed her parents, it is shown she cares and trusts him a lot and all I’m saying is that Ishida could use the bond she created with Haise in order to make her the only possible way for Takizawa (and maybe Amon) to get his chance out of Hell. 

Even before the Auction arc, I don’t think Akira ever gave up on these twp being alive (extra of vol 14) and she probably already imagined the worst scenarios, but her partnership with Haise shaped her in a way that she wouldn’t be “disgusted” or uncomprehending about Takizawa and Amon’s situations. She hates ghouls yes, but I think she sees Haise as a human, victim of a mad experiment which turned him into a half ghoul, and it’s also exactly what happened to Seidou and Amon.

So there you go: yes I think Seidou has his chance (not at redemption but at getting out of Hell) and that chance is Akira, because of his past (?) feelings for her and because she knows him.
Out of all the CCG characters introduced in TG, Akira and Seidou have known each other since stepping in the Academy for the first time and I’m sure that for this reason, she has a way to prove to him he’s not worthless or useless.
From the moment Seidou will stop thinking the him of before was shit, he will probably accept to more or less change back. 

And it’s not impossible: she’s the perfect 100-mark, he’s the loser, he had feelings for her but always saw her “from the side”, and the fact she saw him “like that” in the auction arc made him shameful… 

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So how do you think he will possibly react when he is to know that the “perfect 100-mark” she is believed in him for 3 years and tried to help him (in the theory that she will be the one to save him)? He will be in deny at first, but it could still save him from everything… 

As for your second question, I don’t think Akira will ever make the choice to save one more than the other; if she can, I think she’ll save the two of them, even if we don’t know yet how Amon is holding up mentally and if he actually needs help. 

Amon escaped from Aogiri and is on a constant fight with them while Eto wants his head, but unlike Seidou he’s somehow free and I’m thinking he is sane, when I see how he can track Aogiri ghouls and fight them while leaving the “good side” (Saiko for example) alone. So Amon might not need “saving” in the same way as Takizawa (who preys on both ghouls and humans, good and bad not existing since he’s “death” and stronger).

However I don’t think Akira will ever choose between the two of them, because as she said:

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Yet if one needs her more than the other, then it would make sense that she ends up helping the former more, wouldn’t you say? 

Err…. This got super long and became an essay of how I see Takizawa Seidou right now, but I hope it still answers your questions.
Sorry for rambling. 

I’m shipping Seiaki too!! Do you have any other ships you like in Tokyo ghoul and re?

Sure thing! 😉 SeiAki aside, I love Kaneki/Sasaki x Touka, Amon x Akira, Nishiki x Kimi, Ayato x Hinami just as much.

Canon ships like Arata/Hikari or Kureo/Kasuka are also in the list (yeah I know, not many liked Akira’s dad but he probably was *really* in love with her mom).

I have a soft spot for Shinohara/Juuzou too, even if I believe Juuzou’s state of mind in TG (when Shino was out of the vegetative state) couldn’t possibly allow him to understand and acknowledge he could feel love. And unfortunately, I believe he probably realized *he could* when Shinohara was taken away from him, so I’m torn between platonic and not so platonic from Juuzou’s point of view.

I like the Renji/Itori/Uta trio, as friends or as more than that, since they apparently seemed to be inseparable, according to both Yomo and Itori at different times in the manga, so why not? 🙂

And :Re also gave me feels for Takeomi/Yoriko in the current arc.

After that, there are a lot of Brotp that I enjoy (Ken and Hide, Yoriko and Touka, Tsukiyama and Chie) but I’m expecting you only wanted to know about the romantic ships so I’ll stop there. 🙂

Hope that answers your question, thanks for passing by. 🙂