Tbh i was totally fine and chill with the secret twin trope, but I really hate the “I was there the whole time” cliche (is it a cliche in Japan too?)
THAT BEING SAID: if the reason Agares was constantly falling over in the school arc was because he was tripping over RC’s awkward corpse, then that is. That is the height of Dark Comedy™. It’s literally two undead abominations coming together for a running slapstick gag. I just. Wow.
The cover of the new comicbook vol.27 (release date: 7/27/2018) is out!
According to Yana RC is wearing the same outfit OC wore in vol.6:
“It’s the same good old outfit [OC] wore in the cover illustration of vol.6, but several details have been customised, so please compare them. (putting aside that my art style has changed in general…) -Toboso”
It’s the third arc now that we are faced with UT’s shenanigans involving the dead being brought back to a state that resembles “life” and, in each arc, UT gave pieces of his motivations, so that we could try and assemble the puzzle.
As with everything else, it is only my opinion, but I don’t believe that bringing back the twin is UT’s ultimate goal or end. It’s not just a mean, but it’s not the only end either, so
there is probably more that UT thought he ought to achieve through the BD project.
Thanks to ch140, it’s confirmed that UT’s goal is strongly related to his connection to the Phantomhive family, so this post will focus on that to try and explain how we ended up with UT going off the rails so badly.
First of all, please note the reasons for his actions he gave in each arc so far:
# Campania arc
The Campania arc tells us that the original idea was born while he was still a shinigami or about to desert. However this doesn’t mean that he started to work on his BD project back then already, just that the idea that started everything is older than his connection to the P family.
Furthermore, it’s implied that what triggered it all at its very origin was UT’s curiosity in humans. By Grell’s words or Seb’s, a Shinigami is a being who’s supposed “to stand neutral between Gods and Humans” (JTR arc) and yet as far as UT is concerned…
…”he was seduced by the lives of humans” and that’s probably why he ended up deserting with that little idea born from curiosity about “what would happen should we edit a human’s cinematic record”.
# Weston arc
This time it’s slightly more defined and there is a notion of UT’s personal wish already underlying there.
It’s not exactly about curiosity towards humans in general, even if the way he’s jokingly presenting it could be misleading. In my opinion, since the fated end he’s talking about here is death, it seems UT simply isn’t fond of how death can take interesting humans away from him, thus putting a stop to UT’s “fun”.
So editing the records and bringing them back (cheating death), would allow UT “to look beyond the fated end” and pretend as if death didn’t take these precious humans away from him (also, from the way it’s worded, maybe UT was thinking about a human in particular and something that he was expecting to see with them, but couldn’t because this person died, which leads to the same thing).
Anyway, I think maybe this would sound slightly less insanely random if we consider UT’s existence overall:
if he is a Shinigami then it means that he hated his previous life so much that giving up on it was his only way out
yet he’s not exactly “dead” because Shinigamis work hard to earn redemption after killing themselves, so it’s understandable that the idea to bring back humans who didn’t kill themselves would interest him when Shinigamis are such an odd example of “dead” in the first place
besides that and considering the way Sensei uses comic relief in her story, if UT likes having fun so much (making it payment in exchange for his info), it could be that the notion was unknown to him until someone he met after his desertion taught him what it was, thus why he’s so fond of it.
This shouldn’t be an excuse to anything he did obviously, but at least that factors into understanding why he’s so interested in whatever is “beyond the fated end”, thus perfecting his BD project to bring back some people in particular and make them as seemingly human & alive as possible.
# Blue sect arc
The current arc answers an even more specific question revolving around why UT went through so much trouble in order to bring Ciel’s twin in particular back and the answer is that the twin himself is just supposed to be a representation of how much UT seems to care about salvaging the Phantomhive family from death.
So it’s not that UT cares specifically about bringing real!Ciel Phantomhive back, more like his grand dream would be to have all of them back if he can make it happen (the little issue here being that we already know bringing back Vincent is impossible), because of the connection he has to them through Claudia.
And it’s not about giving them another chance at life, nope nope:
either it’s about “me, myself and I” because UT doesn’t want his connection to the P family (to Claudia in particular?) to disappear
or it’s because he promised Claudia he’d protect them all and he doesn’t want to fail his promise to her
Either way it’s entirely selfish. That’s why he can even mention having a custom coffin already waiting for our!Ciel: in case our boy dies, well, it’s okay because UT now has the perfect way to bring him back (from his current point of view).
In other words, is there a difference between life and death?
Well, not as far as UT is concerned, because that’s the only way he found to keep going: the Phantomhives are almost all dead? Thanks to his BD project it doesn’t matter though, because UT is just happy to have a way to see them all again after all this time.
So chronologically speaking, what happened?
UT killed himself and became a Shinigami.
Before deserting, UT got curious about what would happen if he were to edit a human’s cinematic record
Then he deserted for a reason possibly related to “being seduced by the lives of humans”
afterwards we don’t know what happened but we know his connection to the P family started because he met Claudia Phantomhive
and ch140 confirms that one goal of UT through the BD project is to make sure he “won’t lose another Phantomhive”.
I’m kinda digressing but I think we received enough hints throughout the story to consider that Claudia Phantomhive really is the start of everything when it comes to UT’s attitude and attachment to the P family and thus to his place in the whole narrative…
…even if the truth behind the bond between UT and Claudia remains a mystery till now. The nature of his own feelings isn’t really hard to guess, but we know nothing when it comes to Claudia’s (so is UT Cedric K Ros– or not => no idea).
What’s likely tho’ is that, through this bond (and even if he had unrequited feelings), UT probably lived several years where he was happy (maybe for the first time ever or in a long long time), even possibly living the human life that seduced him into deserting in the first place (if he was Cedric K. Ros–?).
However, the Watchdog duty then got in the way…
leading to the situation as we know it now, with Claudia and Vincent dead and only the twins left (since we don’t know how he feels towards Frances’ side of the family for now).
Finally, to say that the BD project is entirely about the P family would possibly be a mistake because Claudia’s locket belongs on a chain with 6 others and UT referred to all of them as “his treasure” during the Campania arc.
That being said, even if he didn’t care exclusively about Claudia back in the days, it’s likely that she was still extremely important to him, especially if he had romantic feelings for her (or if just because the story revolves around her grandson and UT is too present in the narrative for this to be a coincidence).
TL;DR there is a good chance that, while the experiments for the BD project as we know them possibly started when UT decided to bring back the twin…
…the entire thought process between the idea he had as a Shinigami to the actual realization he started to work on 4 years ago was triggered by Claudia’s death as well as the death of the other people represented by the lockets.
So, yes: UT is most likely using the BD project as the ultimate mean to “recreate” the years he spent alongside some humans he truly cared about (7 lockets + Phantomhive family) but who are almost all dead now. And it’s likely (thanks to the current arc) that he’s also justifying it as not being only for himself but also for other members of the P family (like our!Ciel, or even Frances, Lizzie, etc).
Call it madness or desperation, I’m not here to excuse him because that’s selfishness alright. As for to the upcoming consequences of his acts, I’ve already spoken of them here.
As always, thanks for reading and let me know if anything is unclear. 🙂
I think reapers must have souls, since they do this work in an effort to earn salvation for their souls. What would be the point of this punishment until they attain redemption if they no longer have souls to redeem?
I suppose it’s possible, but maybe demons have no interest in the souls of reapers? Might not be appetizing….
If I may…? I would say it’s almost certain that reapers have souls and demons (generally) find them unappetizing:
Due to this scene in the circus arc (volume VI). While it might be assumed he was speaking about the “large number of souls” previously mentioned, I believe this was an insult aimed at William.
In any case I think it implies that Sebastian finds reaper souls distasteful
OC: “How can you revive dead people…. you are crazy…!”
Undertaker: “My, my… whether one is dead or alive… is it really that important? Aren’t you happy to meet your brother again after a long time?”
Oh wait, this sounds kinda familiar?
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard this from someone somewhere before… quite recently… just who was it…. a supernatural with a f*cked up view on human life and death… who could it be… hmmm…
“Today is the release date of GFantasy! After this month’s chapter was finished, my assistants and editor told me that they got a different impression from when they read the draft version. Personally, I regard [this month’s chapter] as a horror chapter… what do you think? Please support both the physical copies as well as the digital version [of GFantasy]! –Toboso”
“I was told “I never thought [he]’d bite [him]”, but if you think about it systematically, then you’ll see that there was no other choice. (Kuroshitsuji chapter 141) –Toboso”
One part of chapter 141 that caught many readers attention was real!Ciel saying that our!Ciel was his only family.
This brought up a lot of questions. What about the Midfords – particularly Lizzie? They are his family too after all.
Interestingly, this reminded me of a conversation the twins had when they were young. Our!Ciel had said that he wanted to open a toy shop, which upset his brother. He said that our!Ciel was going to leave him all alone.
Our!Ciel told him that he wouldn’t be alone because he’d have Lizzie.
This, however, didn’t cheer up real!Ciel. He still thought he was being left all alone.
What makes this interesting is the conversation about the toy shop happened when they were much younger. To someone older, it might seem a bit irrational on real!Ciel’s part, but kids do think and feel different about things. While considering all this, I realized something.
Real!Ciel still has the mentality of a ten year old.
It might have only been three years, but the average person goes though a lot of maturation between ten and thirteen. Real!Ciel didn’t have a chance to mature. He died. No matter how good of a job Undertaker can do with his bizarre dolls, there’s no getting around the fact that real!Ciel did die. Even he accepts this fact.
Undertaker can make sure that real!Ciel’s physical growth is the same as his brother’s, and he can make sure that real!Ciel witnessed many of the major events in his twin’s life so he can vicariously have the same experiences, but that doesn’t change the fact that he died at a particular age. Mentally, it’s doubtful that he can go beyond that age.
This explains the mood swings and single mindedness. He may look the same as our!Ciel, but he’s really still the same as the little boy that was held by the cult three years earlier. His mind hasn’t grown. I doubt that it can.
Hey, all jokes and UT/Claudia feels aside, am I the only one thinking it’s interesting that UT doesn’t appear to be willing to discuss this? Unless it’s just because it’s Seb who’s asking, which would explain why the twin seems to know?
Anyway, you’d think that since everything where UT is concerned (as well as several arcs) started with Claudia, he’d be more… vocal or explanatory when it comes to her, especially since he also said stuff like…
unless her death left him so broken that he can’t discuss the topic?
I mean, considering that our!Ciel knows nothing about his grandmother…
UT’s silence might be similar to Vincent and Frances’: whatever happened to Claudia, no one was able to mourn her properly (and UT probably even less than everyone else), hence why no one is willing to mention her?
Or maybe it’s just plot convenience because Sensei is after a better timing to tackle the possible UT/Claudia backstory…
I’m just on the fence about UT’s words also possibly being Yana directly hinting at us that she’ll never confirm/deny any UT/Claudia or UT = Cedric theories, thus leaving it “to our imagination”.
I don’t think that Undertaker would be very vocal about Claudia. He probably cherishes her so much… He cried when he was thinking about Vincent, and Claudia seems to have been even more important.
I do hope we’re going to find out somehow, through someone else or from his memories, idc. It’s such an important detail, we can’t just leave it to our imagination – can we? Together with our!Ciel’s name?
What I find even more interesting is that the twin seems to know. Real!Ciel seems to know a lot of stuff… hmm.
No worries I agree that I’d love to get more details, I’m just worrying about Sensei being mean with us. xD
Otherwise, yeah I agree: if no one talks about Claudia (Vincent, Frances, Tanaka and UT) it might as well be because her end was awful, like Vincent. And you’re right, maybe he didn’t want to mention her in the newest chapter because he would have cried like he did in ch105 about Vincent…
and it’d be logical that he didn’t want Seb and/or Ciel to see that :3 good point!!
It would also make sense because, if the twin knows, then it means UT is not against discussing it with our!Ciel (especially since he compared him to Claudia twice already). So it’s probably a very sensitive topic and the timing as well as Seb’s presence doesn’t make it right for UT to mention it now.
Because clearly it seems ever since the Campania arc, if not before, everything UT did shows that he’s going against his own words that he used to warn Claudia amongst others. So yeah, either he’s inwardly aware of how low he reached after she died or this arc is going to make him understand that.
Selective memory that he doesn’t want to share with Seb on top of it being a painful subject like ch105 does make sense to me. :3
UT was really serious this chapter, actually, I wonder if it’s just because of the topic or if it’s a combination of that and his goofy old man act starting to crack, since he seems so tired
Something maybe is going very wrong already and he hasn’t admitted it yet…?
I 100% agree that his attitude seems way more serious than usual, maybe because he’s tired (and since we all more or less always agreed that his usual behavior was mainly a part of his creepy act) or because he’s trying super hard to pretend everything is fine when it might not be.
It also goes with the last chapter’s cliffhanger
…even if his joy to present real!Ciel as his masterpiece sounds genuine because it means he finally achieved his goals.
Honestly though…
I love @dorkshadows‘ take on it, but otherwise I also wonder if the attack on Soma/Agni might not become the crack in the current arc and its final confrontation, as well as why UT might be feeling that something is wrong, thus why he’s acting more serious/tired than usual.
I mean, it’s just a guess of mine, but if UT isn’t pro-violence where the Phantomhives are concerned (even if it’s extremely ironical coming from him):
And if that’s what he feels about real!Ciel too, then the events of ch126/127/128 could be something that UT ends up not being happy about.
Right now, we don’t know what triggered the attack:
did real!Ciel show up to see our!Ciel and got triggered by Soma touching him?
did he get jealous about Soma and his big brother act, so he planned to attack him/the urge hit him when he met Soma?
we also don’t know if UT knew about what happened before or after it actually took place (some say he was driving the cab but idk)
or maybe it’s Bravat’s side that allowed for the situation to happen (since real!Ciel is the blue star) and UT couldn’t stop it in time
finally, worst case scenario would be UT finding out about real!Ciel planning to attack the town house but, having no control over the twin, he was forced to comply with it.
Depending on which explanation it is, if the attack on Soma and Agni is something that happened outside of UT’s careful watch or that UT simply couldn’t stop it in time, then it could hint that real!Ciel might not remain his masterpiece for long. ://
And if that’s the case, I wonder till when UT will be able to deny it and lie to himself that things are going well…
After 141, it’s clear that UT considers Real!Ciel his masterpiece and cares a lot for him as a revived Phantomhive. But he doesn’t seem to care about RC as a person, instead going on and on about how lovely a doll RC is, even though he himself said RC has freewill and actions. It’s ironic that UT, for all the effort and devotion he put into RC, considers him a doll first, person second- he’s not wrong, per se, but it clearly upsets RC:
^ RC does not appreciate being touched against his will or being talked about like he’s not even there.
Then I got to thinking, we know our twin duos are Sebastian + Our!Ciel, and UT + Real!Ciel. OC says he doesn’t trust Sebastian. But what about RC’s feelings towards UT? I think it’s possible that RC loathes him at most, dislikes him at best. Remember when this happened in the Green Witch arc?
^ Being forcefed through the funnel during his mustard gas episode traumatized OC so badly that he relived his moment in the cult:
This happened moments before RC’s death, so the physical and emotional anguish is doubled. Now, in the current arc, we found out RC was there as well, and probably went through the exact same forcefeeding routine:
^ RC’s likely triggered by many of the same things OC was, such as having things shoved down his throat. Then in 141, we find out after he recovered RC’s body, UT’s been experimenting on it…
^ By shoving tubes through his nose and throat, while RC can do nothing but helplessly lie there and be carried around.
And since UT’s taking RC everywhere to observe OC, we know RC was sentient this whole time… meaning he could feel UT shoving those tubes into him, regardless of how gentle or not. At this point, RC had no free will and could do nothing but be UT’s doll.
^ He was sentient here as well. We already saw how OC reacted to the funnel. Who knows how horrible RC felt about having that thing shoved through his chest? We can only imagine UT’s been doing this to him non-stop for the past 3 years.
^ So then, when he had the chance to attack UT, he did. Of course, this was on the Campania and maybe RC was just a mindless zombie compelled by instinct. But he was aware of what’s going on around him and is inherently more advanced than the other BDs’. Maybe he doesn’t have to go around eating people in a search for souls or a substitute.
Maybe here, he wanted to bite UT, since now he can finally move on his own, and this is payback for everything UT’s done to his body while he could do nothing but watch.
And lastly here, RC just looks irritated and resentful. Even his line, “What do you think you’re doing!?” is angry. But UT doesn’t care, and this probably fuels RC’s dislike farther, because again, he’s being regarded as an object, and not his own person.
So in conclusion, based on this evidence so far, I think RC and UT are not emotionally close, and if anything, RC probably hates UT, which is ironic given all the care UT supposedly has for the Phantomhives. Of course, RC must know UT’s the only reason he’s alive now and able to see his brother again.
So the way I read it, going by this interpretation, RC tolerates UT’s presence and toying with his body because he regards UT as a means to an end. He needs to use UT to stay alive and take control of OC. UT arguably objectifies RC the same way Sebastian objectifies OC’s soul, and RC uses UT the same way OC claims to use Sebastian.
But this doesn’t mean RC is grateful towards UT or appreciates what he did. Because it happened against his will, and put him through unimaginable pain. So the moment RC finds something or someone to replace UT, he’ll probably leave and betray this reaper in a heartbeat. I’m just guessing what their relationship is at this point, but my thoughts could change depending on what happens next.
((you know what: actually your post makes me realize it’s similar for Lizzie.
Maybe UT “cares” about her too since she’s related to Claudia, but not doing anything about her crying/being depressed for months or even using her during this arc would be on the same level as imposing his wish onto real!Ciel. He’s too focused on his selfish wish to see all the damages he’s leaving behind.
Gosh UT will have amends to make if he’s not leaving the story after this arc… if he’s Cedric that also doesn’t vouch for him being a good dad, but then again since Tanaka is the one who stepped up after Claudia’s death, that’s to be expected))