okokokokokok so I was just discussing with @thedarkestcrow AND WE JUST REALIZED
GUYS FOR REAL DOESN’T THIS REMIND YOU OF SOMETHING?!
I AM SCREAMINGGGGGGGG
Hi Anon! No worries, it changes literally nothing to any theory about Brown 🙂 A lot of readers had already theorized he was supernatural anyway, so this just seems to narrow down his true nature more.
About December 14th though, maybe there is a misunderstanding but whoever attacked the manor (and if it’s Brown on the Queen’s behalf, it’s the same) totally wanted the twins to suffer before dying, which is why they made sure to give the twins to these child traffickers in the first place. Otherwise they would have simply killed them on the spot, like they did with Vincent and Rachel.
As for possible backup, I was actually discussing this with @thedarkestcrow yesterday as well and we think that one supernatural being could have been enough to annihilate the whole mansion, definitely, which means that…
Tanaka possibly wasn’t stabbed by a second supernatural being but rather by the human from the household who helped them (you know, the one who muzzled the dog, possibly amongst other things?). That could explain his surprise there…
and also his words…
…depending on what theory you believe in (RCMT for me ;_;).
The other possibility is that there really were 2 supernatural killers that night and something happened between the moment Tanaka was stabbed and the house completely burnt down, which led to one of the 2 disappearing/ceasing to exist somehow.
TL;DR you can take any theory about Brown being shady and keep them literally as such, just replace “possible shinigami” with “possible demon” (or corrupted angel, I guess -_-) instead.
I hope it answers your question! Don’t hesitate if things aren’t clear about December 14th, I mean, there are still things we don’t know (like who attacked Tanaka) but the intent behind the twins’ abduction seemed rather clear. 🙂
Have a nice day, Anon!
Hello Anon! And I guess I might agree to some extent, but since it’s not the first time I see this scenario between a manga and its early anime adaptation, I’m mostly fine with it (or I can grow up to be when I don’t like a development if you leave me time, like with the 2CT).
What I would hate would be a literal copy-pasting of S1 and S2, but so far Sensei changed enough things and made them more complex for this to work for me, at least for now (like Lizzie, UT, the lineage, the RCMT, the war subplot).
I’d rather follow the foreshadowing that she introduces in the manga, even if some of it is shared with the anime, and her development of the plot around Ciel’s family (since Claudia was nonexistent in the anime and is an interesting plot bait in my opinion, same for the Midfords) in order to enjoy the story.
I’m sorry that you feel like this though. I guess the anime really was a mistake in more ways than one, with that at least I can definitely agree.
I hope you can still find ways to enjoy the manga, Anon! Lots of positive vibes. :333 Have a nice day!
Hi Anon! Okay so, seeing how Ciel totally blames himself for what happened to his brother…
I don’t think he will be able to face him at first, so I doubt he’ll be able to order Seb to take care of his twin either.
In fact, I hope that Seb will be absolutely irrelevant to how this confrontation will turn out for our!Ciel, because we know he’s not particularly good at being sensitive and helpful whenever our!Ciel faces his trauma (ch95 anyone? -_-).
It’s as I wrote here, I think this arc is supposed to help our!Ciel with confronting most of his issues surrounding his trauma and what happened with his brother, so I don’t see how Seb is supposed to be the means to an end here (unlike all the previous arcs before), not when he’s the one who ate the twin’s soul in the first place.
No, in my opinion, if the twin is to die before this arc ends, then I think it’d make a lot of sense for him to be stopped by anyone but Seb.
Obviously, right now the most symbolic ending for the twin would be to be stopped by our!Ciel himself, since that’d also imply that our!Ciel found enough strength within himself to face his brother despite how much he was blaming himself for his death, and a catalyst to such an ending could be Lizzie herself.
I mean, if the twin hurts/allows someone to hurt Lizzie (which I think is likely to happen) then…
…in my opinion it could be shocking and despairing enough that our!Ciel would realize he has to stop his brother.
Other candidates for the same job would be Soma (since the twin attacked him and Agni), Lizzie herself (since she realized a while ago in ch113 that she “couldn’t save the twin”), Ed possibly (if he’s angry enough should Lizzie be hurt) or Tanaka (since surely he’d notice that the twin hardly is the boy he used to be).
So nope, Seb killing the twin again would just… not help our!Ciel with the fact he’s constantly blaming himself for what happened to his brother. Seb can go face the other star Lords (like Polaris, who’s real!Ciel’s butler and who apparently was strong enough to kill Agni), or the mastermind behind the arc (UT? someone else?), but the twin isn’t going to be his call in my opinion.
I hope it answers your question, have a nice day Anon!
Bringing this back because I keep mentioning this but I never expand, so when I say “it’s likely (in my opinion) that Lizzie might get hurt”, that’s what I mean:
I’m pretty sure we discussed it before, but these scenes really make me think that, instead of anemia because she possibly gave some of her blood, Lizzie is going to get hurt (shot?) at a later point in the arc and will lose a lot of blood as a result, enough so that Sieglinde will need to use Wolfram’s for transfusing her.
Of course it’s just a theory, but as I explained above, I think this might happen precisely because the twin isn’t the boy he used to be and only seems to care about staying with our!Ciel, so when things escalate, depending on what Lizzie will do she might end up getting the same treatment as Soma and Agni. ://
Hey Anon! Ahhh, well I got namely one question off-Anon about the identity of the star lords and I did tell the blogger that I was hoping to see something in March’s chapter before being able to really propose a theory on the subject, but I don’t mind answering asks about real!Ciel at any time if there is any?
I just don’t answer questions with spoilers about a chapter before the release of the official English translation, but right now my askbox is empty and I already answered everything about ch137 that I received?
So I’m sorry, I’m not sure what you’re talking about…? If you sent an ask and I didn’t answer it, it’s simply because I didn’t receive it. :3 Otherwise f you have anything to ask about real!Ciel, feel free to go ahead, the Anon mode will stay open until Monday evening. :))
I personally read Agni’s reaction as shock/astonishment, over fright or horror?
As in, he just suddenly realized that what he took for embarrassment back when Pitt showed the photo…
…was in fact our!Ciel trying to hide he had a twin brother.
I’m pretty sure Agni didn’t understand why Ciel would want to hide this fact but, since Ciel never uttered a word about his family, aside from knowing that his parents died, Soma and Agni had no idea about him also losing a twin brother…
which might explain Agni being shocked upon finding out. And in my opinion, that’s also why…
…Agni gave the pieces to Soma just before dying, probably hoping that Soma would realize that the guy who almost killed him was actually not his friend, but his twin brother.
That’s my take on it so far :3 I don’t think the photo held anything but the twins holding hands, which is why I think Agni was possibly shocked by just this discovery. 🙂 I might be wrong though, as always!
I hope I answered your question, have a nice day Anon!
In fact, it doesn’t even matter if he’s Cedric or not, because it’s selfish of him anyway to bring some members of our!Ciel’ and Frances’ family back from the dead, when it’s for sure going to make them feel horrible if he succeeds.
Look at the twin, we don’t even know yet if UT holds any responsibility for the current arc, although it’s very possible he does, but Lizzie felt constantly miserable for at least two months already…
and it’s probably going to be our!Ciel’s turn very soon.
Let’s just say that it’s UT’s duality as a character, his devotion and selfishness completely clash, so I sure wouldn’t want to be in our!Ciel’s and Frances’ shoes either if he ever manages to bring back more than just the twin (which I hope he won’t, really).
so I’m sure she’ll manage if she’s to ever confront UT about what he’s doing.
Thanks for passing by Anon and have a nice day. 🙂
“his devotion and his selfishness completely clash” ooooh
This is about seem cracky but bear with me
It’s interesting, if we are taking the GrandpaUT theory as correct, that his “love” for his dead family is actually making things completely worse for the living AND dead. Like, if he truly loved them he’d leave them alone and let them Rest In Peace. So, it definitely seems like he’s more obsessed with having them close to him/alive, moreso than being happy.
Which, if you think, is kinda what RCiel is doing? “I’m never going to leave your side again”
I definitely think that UT’s devotion to the P family (whatever the reasons are) is making things worse in most aspects (that’s why sometimes I compare him to Kelvin), except maybe when it comes to possibly being a major help towards the contract binding our!Ciel with Seb. x)
As for real!Ciel, if you’re speaking of his current behavior (ch129, ch130) it’s most likely the way he was brought back (with the “episode” method?) that emphasized his obsessive side from childhood for me.
However I do agree that his obsessive side that we saw already in the flashback might be a family trait, I mean Ed is also rather… attached to his sister (although it’s not expressed in a similar grim way as real!Ciel with our!Ciel, at least for now) so who knows. 🙂 Real!Ciel definitely was an obsessive type of person, that much we could see from early on, so it might be something he inherited from someone in the family indeed (be it from UT if he’s the grandfather or even from his mom’s side, I mean, look at Ann -_-).
I also agree that if UT loved the people he wants to bring back, the best would be for him to let them rest in peace, without mentioning not bothering those people’s family either. That’s his problem though, he’s just… clinging because he’s selfish and desperate (and I say that as a big fan of his).
Thanks for reading!
@kajuned Sorry, I’m not sure who you meant by Anna (Ann/Red?), but yes obviously there is no guarantee at all. 🙂 (and @my-lady-no-further: it might interest you!)
All I’m saying is that the “obsessive sibling” pattern may be random or something that Yana wrote on purpose, since it seems there is one in almost every sibling pair of the family (though it’s not for the same reason/expressed the same way):
Unfortunately, we don’t know enough about Vincent & Frances’ sibling dynamic to know if Vincent was as protective of his younger sibling as his son and nephew are (it is a headcanon of mine though), but generally they seem to have managed much better so… eh. xD
Anyway, I’m definitely one to see real!Ciel’s behavior as being… possibly pathological (even from childhood, I mean), but I can understand not everyone considering the same idea and I do agree that his behavior isn’t completely similar to UT’s.
For UT, it is mainly based on probably living a complicated/tragic existence and on desperation for me (what you said)…
whereas for real!Ciel, it seems to have been latent from very early on…
…and this is why I see it as closer to the behavior Ann showed (because she didn’t simply become mad after losing her family; in the first place she could never move on from her obsession over Vincent, in my opinion).
Anyway, I guess we’ll see, but thanks for your input! 🙂
Hi Anon! And OMG, you make a great point, although I do have to say that I disagree about Vincent since personally I can’t blame him for being murdered.
In fact, he seems to have been a good dad in my opinion…
it’s just that his character remains rather mysterious and hard to read in general, but he certainly wasn’t on the same scale as the others, since he at least made sure his sons wouldn’t be left alone should something happen to him.
In fact, it doesn’t even matter if he’s Cedric or not, because it’s selfish of him anyway to bring some members of our!Ciel’ and Frances’ family back from the dead, when it’s for sure going to make them feel horrible if he succeeds.
Look at the twin, we don’t even know yet if UT holds any responsibility for the current arc, although it’s very possible he does, but Lizzie felt constantly miserable for at least two months already…
and it’s probably going to be our!Ciel’s turn very soon.
Let’s just say that it’s UT’s duality as a character, his devotion and selfishness completely clash, so I sure wouldn’t want to be in our!Ciel’s and Frances’ shoes either if he ever manages to bring back more than just the twin (which I hope he won’t, really).
so I’m sure she’ll manage if she’s to ever confront UT about what he’s doing.
Thanks for passing by Anon and have a nice day. 🙂
“his devotion and his selfishness completely clash” ooooh
This is about seem cracky but bear with me
It’s interesting, if we are taking the GrandpaUT theory as correct, that his “love” for his dead family is actually making things completely worse for the living AND dead. Like, if he truly loved them he’d leave them alone and let them Rest In Peace. So, it definitely seems like he’s more obsessed with having them close to him/alive, moreso than being happy.
Which, if you think, is kinda what RCiel is doing? “I’m never going to leave your side again”
I definitely think that UT’s devotion to the P family (whatever the reasons are) is making things worse in most aspects (that’s why sometimes I compare him to Kelvin), except maybe when it comes to possibly being a major help towards the contract binding our!Ciel with Seb. x)
As for real!Ciel, if you’re speaking of his current behavior (ch129, ch130) it’s most likely the way he was brought back (with the “episode” method?) that emphasized his obsessive side from childhood for me.
However I do agree that his obsessive side that we saw already in the flashback might be a family trait, I mean Ed is also rather… attached to his sister (although it’s not expressed in a similar grim way as real!Ciel with our!Ciel, at least for now) so who knows. 🙂 Real!Ciel definitely was an obsessive type of person, that much we could see from early on, so it might be something he inherited from someone in the family indeed (be it from UT if he’s the grandfather or even from his mom’s side, I mean, look at Ann -_-).
I also agree that if UT loved the people he wants to bring back, the best would be for him to let them rest in peace, without mentioning not bothering those people’s family either. That’s his problem though, he’s just… clinging because he’s selfish and desperate (and I say that as a big fan of his).
Hello! Okayyy, so, recap time. Here’s what being “alive” in Kuroshitsuji means:
and here’s what a Shinigami’s job is about:
So, considering that Seb ate the twin’s soul, it seems real!Ciel cannot have been “judged worthy to survive” since you cannot stay alive without a soul (at least that’s a logical conclusion based on the facts Yana introduced about Shinigamis, souls and cinematic records).
Besides, there is also what the current arc is about to consider:
because it seems blood transfusions are used to heal or (more likely) bring some people back from the dead, and the twin is definitely one them since he’s Lord Sirius.
In other words, it seems real!Ciel really died 4 years ago, because he was stabbed in the heart, then his soul was eaten by Seb and then maybe his body got completely burnt. However, Bravat’s blue sect is apparently bringing him as well as some others back using namely blood collected from other people, but we just don’t know yet under whose orders and how exactly the process works.
Hi Anon! Ah, actually, it’s something I think we’re bound to get an answer for once we go back to present time in the story and Lizzie finally reappears.
We know real!Ciel is violent (his attack against Soma and Agni proves it) and it seems that his childhood obsession about “staying with his brother forever” is as strong as ever, which might be the result of being brought back by UT’s “episode” method (whether or not UT is somehow partially involved in all of this)…
because whenever real!Ciel was envisioning his future as a child, as we know it always strongly focused on “staying together with his little brother”:
So it’s hard to really predict anything about what real!Ciel might do or say because, by making him attack Soma and Agni, Sensei introduced a very antagonistic character who can behave unpredictably.
Personally though, I’m suspecting that our!Ciel is the most important thing to real!Ciel right now, especially if he was brought back using UT’s “episode” method, because I suspect that real!Ciel’s episodes (yearning for a future) focused a lot more on his brother than on his future wedding to Lizzie.
However, I do think that Lizzie is a very important indicator to how much of an antagonist real!Ciel is going to turn out to be.
After what happened with Agni and despite what we know of the horrible circumstances of his death, if Sensei decides that real!Ciel is partially redeemable, then it’s going to be shown through real!Ciel never hurting Lizzie (should she decide to go against the blue sect at some point).
On the contrary if real!Ciel decides that Lizzie is getting in the way for one reason or another at some point, then him hurting her will sign another tough end for him, because Lizzie gave up a lot to take care of him ever since August (+ you just… don’t hurt Lizzie in general, not even Seb gets a free pass with our!Ciel if he does that and let’s not mention the Midfords).
TL;DR I don’t know if real!Ciel still holds Lizzie as dear as he did during childhood. The answer will depend on how much of antagonist he is going to turn out to be and will be measured by what his reaction will be if things don’t go the way he wants them to.
I hope it made sense, have a nice day Anon!
Honestly I think RC sees Lizzy as a possession. A trinket. Something that’s nice to have but not, strictly speaking, necessary.
Who is necessary?
His emotionally traumatized younger twin. I initially thought RC was returning with spite and ice-cold fury but considering how obsessed he was with OC in their youth, I’m not even sure if my malevolent “I must regain control of every aspect of the life that was/is rightfully mine” fits anymore.
Which is low(HIGH)key really disappointing.
At this point he may just want to kidnap OC and escape on a boat to Tijuana. Go around following OC Hannibal Lecter style.
Who knows at this point.
I miss villainous RC. cause I’ve already gotten cavities from how saccharine their fraternal relationship was
@cielizzydefencesquad I’m sorry about your headcanon Nina-chan, but yeah personally I do think that real!Ciel only cares about his brother right now. :3
Basically it’s real!Ciel =>> our!Ciel <=> Lizzie.
It’s a bit weird to describe it in such terms, but the little trio from their childhood that had real!Ciel in the center disappeared to make way for a normal dynamic between our!Ciel and Lizzie during the last 4 years, which was in my opinion made explicit by Sensei confirming that Lizzie fell in love with our!Ciel (and our!Ciel being extremely sensitive on the subject of Lizzie’s safety).
Not to say that Lizzie doesn’t care about the twin, because clearly she does, but I still think there is a huge difference between her feelings for real!Ciel in the past and her current feelings for our!Ciel, which is probably why we can never go back to a trio dynamic, even though real!Ciel has now returned and is crazy.
So yep, I think real!Ciel sees his brother as more relevant and valuable than Lizzie in his life, which “unfortunately” seems to be the opposite for our!Ciel from the way I read things (anyone remembers what happened to that vase in ch123?) and which means that if real!Ciel decides to discard Lizzie for getting in the way, our!Ciel might end up taking action against his brother.
I guess the anime really was a mistake in more ways than one, with that at least I can definitely agree. 
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