cielsama14:

I think one of the most interesting parts about RCMT is that this twist isn’t supposed to be likable. It’s a cruel, brutal, and ugly twist that will tear apart whatever you previously thought of Real!Ciel! There’s no better way to culminate the cruelty of truth, one of the biggest themes in the manga! Yana would probably laugh evilly at fandom’s reactions to it. XD

You guys ever wondered about how Vincent seemed to find perfectly normal that UT would try super hard to bring him back in the extra chapter?? Especially since that sentence “love is wonderful thing but it can also give birth to horrific disaster” could be meant for either the twins or UT @ the P family?

……Btw did I mention this super crack theory I once had that Frances was the one who burnt down the manor 4 years ago somehow? I mean, I 99.9999% doubt it’s really the case but just humor me for the sake of crazy thoughts™.

We know UT apparently wondered about bringing the dead back, or at least about editing the cinematic records, before he even deserted:

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So if he already had something like the bizarre doll project in mind before Vincent was even dead (to bring back the people represented by his lockets for example), and if Vincent

somehow

knew about UT’s plan to bring back his mom or even him should something happen…

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Then if he told his sister about this detail, Frances showing up on December 14th for one reason or another (since Ann was coming too) could have rescued Tanaka before setting the manor on fire so that…

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UT wouldn’t be able to bring back her brother. (I’m aware that

burning her home or her brother’s dead body + Rachel’s appears awful and heartless of her, but frankly I can also see how the thought of her dead family being brought back could motivate her if she believed UT was mad enough to attempt it) 

I know that we’re 27 volumes in and we have 0 idea about if UT and Frances even know each other (though everything about their respective character implies that Frances would probably despise UT if they do), but we know that Frances really cares about her family and that she and Vincent were close siblings.

Ch132 even hint that she seemed as aware as Vincent that he wouldn’t live a long life, most likely because they both had their mother’s example in mind (or even simply because they were realistic), but we don’t know what else she might be aware of or not. 

Personally I like to think that she and Tanaka are 100% on the same side and mainly that he keeps her updated about how Ciel is doing so that she won’t step into her nephew’s life too much…

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and since it appears Tanaka was aware about the twin coming back, I’m not sure, but maybe UT’s plan of bringing back the P family one by one because “he simply cannot bear to lose another Phantomhive” was not an entirely new idea before the Campania arc for some characters. 

As I said tho’ it is pure crack, because for now it makes more sense that Frances was at home on December 14th + that the supernatural being who attacked the manor was the one who started the fire (either accidentally or not, à la Seb), but I felt like sharing, especially since we have yet to see any reaction from Frances about what happened 4 years ago and that’s fishy for me. :3

(also that could explain why Vincent was chilling and apparently totally aware that UT was trying to bring him back no matter what in ch107.5)

Recap post about the blue sect arc: what we need answers for

This is just in case we actually start to get to the bottom of this arc in this month’s upcoming chapter. Here’s a list starting with ch108, but feel free to add in case you think I possibly forgot something!

Last update: 12/12

  • Ch108: what is that weird liquid that UT gave to the twin and why did he say “it’s still too early for you to wake up”?
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  • About Bravat himself: is he a charlatan, or is he a scientist maybe? 
    • He’s human and didn’t use to be a good deviner (ch143) 
  • Also did he really see through Seb’s disguise or was this all pretending too?

    • He confirmed that he sensed Seb was different at first glance! (ch145) 
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  • ch112: how many times did Lizzie give some of her blood to Lord Canopus? 
  • ch113: what did Lizzie mean when she was crying about “not being able to save the twin”? Save him from who or what? 
    • it was most likely about not having the same blood type ‘cause they don’t know about universal recipients (ch144)
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  • ch114/119: about blood transfusions => who mastered the procedure? Does it serve a purpose outside the 4 or 5 star lords (like war, as Wolfram pointed out)? How does it play into making more “perfect” bizarre dolls?

    Is it why real!Ciel “grew up” despite dying 4 years ago?

    How come no one knows that AB (sirius) is the universal recipient type? 

  • ch114: Othello and “50 years ago” => is this old case relevant to the current arc somehow? Or is it just related to UT’s desertion?
    • Othello and UT know each other = confirmed (ch142)
  • ch115: about the twin’s damaged arms that we can see => is it because he’s dependent on blood transfusions?
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  • ch116: is there a reason Nina was chosen by the sect to make all the outfits? Could it be because “the Hopkins tailors have outfitted generations of the Phantomhive family” (and “it’s all for the blue star” who’s the twin)?
  • ch117: why are the rooms for the 4 or 5 star lords so different? Is it supposed to remind them of their previous environment/social condition when they were still alive?
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  • ch119: Any chance that us finding out about Wolfram having the B blood type (same as Lizzie) will be relevant later? To transfuse Lizzie maybe?
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  • still ch119: was Othello speaking about UT when he said “that one didn’t know much about this stuff… who else is there?”? If so, then can another supernatural being be involved with the sect?
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  • ch123: we found out that Lord Sirius is real!Ciel, but what about the other star lords’ identity? Are they possibly characters we already met (and who died)?
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  • ch124: how/when did Bravat/the blue sect came to know and dialyze those old lords from the Parliament?
  • About the blue sect: any possible link to the Aurora society or even the mysterious Osiris company? 
  • Also if UT is really the only mastermind behind this, then why the change of method between the Weston arc and now, when he called Agares a masterpiece?
  • ch125: what’s the point of making a second music hall in Bath? Or is it just a false lead, because it was just the place where Bravat would dialyze the old lords? 
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  • ch126: was the twin wearing an eyepatch when he came to attack Agni and Soma? If no, did Soma just fail to notice the difference with our!Ciel?
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  • ch128: what was the purpose of the attack on Soma and Agni? Leaving our!Ciel a message (”who stole the candy from my tummy”)? Or simply the twin being jealous (since Soma does call himself Ciel’s “big brother”)? Something else related to the curry arc maybe, since Ciel made sure Scotland Yard wouldn’t get to Agni?
  • ch129: Did Ciel leave the pieces of the photo with Soma when they took him to Sieglinde? Will Sieglinde manage to convince Soma that our!Ciel is not the one who attacked him (since he’s the one who brought Soma + especially since she saw our!Ciel has the contract’s seal in his right eye)?
  • ch129: between the dead lords from the Parliament in ch125 and Violet probably giving the name “Ciel Phantomhive” for the blue star’s identity to Scotland Yard, will our!Ciel get in big troubles and accused of all that Bravat did in this arc?
    • Yes, he was for a good part of it (ch143)
    • where are the Double Charles?
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  • ch129: since the servants initially thought the twin was our!Ciel, did they not notice the possible absence of Sebastian by his side? Or do we have a doppelgänger for Seb too?
  • ch130: how comes Tanaka didn’t appear very surprised about the twin’s return? Could he have known in advance? But if so, who told him and why? (additional question: was it foreshadowed in ch120?)
  • Also, how and when did Tanaka find out about our!Ciel taking his brother’s identity? Could this be related to him knowing the twin was coming back?
  • ch134: what did Tanaka mean by 
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+ how did he survive his injuries and the fire

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  • ch140: we still need UT to explain how he did all of the following:
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Done~~


EDIT: more questions to add

  • ch144: where are the other star lords? In the P manor, or elsewhere?
  • ch144: what “truth” did real!Ciel tell Alexis?
  • ch145: where will Ciel and the servants go and what will they do now?
    • going overseas, with the help of Lau’s company? (ch146)

Eeeeh isn’t it sorta bad if Frances never said anything and just let her daughter be lied to for years? Also it’s not the healthiest coping tactic to pretend to be someone else. ;-; I really hope she didn’t know, because I can already only sorta accept that Tanaka didn’t say anything because of his servant status. Frances is an adult relative (she or Red should be the legal guardian I guess? Idk) and I don’t know if I can accept that she let Liz be deceived like that. :/ just my ‘pinion tho! <3

her-majestys-watchdog:

It’s a hard situation! Presuming Lizzy saw OC before Frances did, it wasn’t until AFTER Lizzy believed her fiance was suddenly alive agaim that Frances realized this wasn’t true – in fact he’s actually STILL DEAD. Lizzy was only 11 years old at the time, and would not be old or wise enough to keep OC’s secret… So what do you do?

If Frances exposed him, his reputation would be ruined and it’s possible the last heir of HER family (because Frances is a Phantomhive) would either be shunned for lying, losing his Earl status or replaced in some manner. We’re supposed to believe OC wouldn’t have been given the responsibility so easily, especially nor after lying like that. He’d likely be carted off to live with a guardian somewhere.

OC isn’t her son but I’m sure she has almost equal affection for him as compared to Lizzy, she knows it isn’t her secret to tell but also not telling could hurt people… hence why she has been angry at him all these years.

I don’t think any option is good, but I wouldn’t blame Frances for keeping the secret. Lizzy and RC had a political marriage (kinda) not a love match, so at their young age perhaps it was understandable that keeping it a secret was best. Plus, thinking RC was alive made Lizzy SO happy; how hard would it be to tell her otherwise? Tricky!

Just my opinion but additionally, I think the fact she knew very much what kind of danger her family constantly faced is maybe why she (like Tanaka) kept the secret, because they could guess that our!Ciel had his reasons after being abducted for a whole month and coming back alone + probably that he felt horrible guilt about whatever happened to real!Ciel.

Frances lost a mom and a brother because of the watchdog’s duty, pretty sure no one knows more than her how our!Ciel feels like and it could be why she decided to keep the secret (and same reasons for Tanaka, without mentioning that it’s a tricky subject to try addressing).

I feel like ociel is going to have identity crisis soon, considering how he made himself to die when he took his brother’s name. And in newest chapter he said ”it was I who…” Feels like he was going to say died that day. Anyway it’s just something I have been thinking. Do you think it’s possible because of that ociel is going to accept his old name or if he is going to keep calling himself ’ciel’?

thedarkestcrow:

Actually I’m surprised our Ciel hasn’t gotten an asthma attack yet. I mean, this is such a stressful situation for him right now and just look how much he’s shaken and shocked by all this:

And given the situation it’s no wonder our Ciel looks close to a breakdown. He never expected his twin to return. The identity as “Ciel” gave him confidence to return while he blamed himself for his brother’s death. First I even thought what he tried to say in the current chapter here…

…was that he himself was the one who had caused real Ciel’s death. However, given the prior panel…

…you may be right that he had actually wanted to say that it was him who had died that day.

I’m sure our Ciel was always aware of his lie. He didn’t forget who he really was even though he did everything to be “Ciel”. But still, being “Ciel” gave him strength and helped him deal with his feeling of guilt. Now with the return of the twin and with his lies being revealed all this is threatened to be destroyed. And that will surely throw our Ciel into a crisis.

I’m really unsure about where his will all lead to. Our Ciel is certainly forced to face his decisions and the truth now and depending on how he deals with that and on what will happen to the twin he may or may not continue living as “Ciel”. On the one hand it would be nice for him to be able to live as himself once again, realizing that it wasn’t his fault for what happened to real Ciel and that he himself is worth as much as his twin and has all the right to return as himself. On the other hand would it take much character development for that and I don’t think our Ciel is ready to let go of all that he clung to these past four years. Keep being “Ciel” may be the easier way for him. 

Tanaka & Undertaker

frederickabberline:

ghost-rocker:

Tanaka likely has known Undertaker the longest out of all the Kuro. characters since he worked for Claudia (whose name was on Undertaker’s mourning chain, indicating familiarity).

The scene below means a lot (though it’s not very surprising), but honestly it just creeps me out.

Note how close Undertaker is to RC. It’s not even close at this point– he’s touching the kid.

If you were a butler, would you let just anyone approach or touch your master, especially when that master is practically your grandchild?

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Just so you know, Tanaka and RC were standing on the same step at the beginning of this chapter (where they’ve been during OC’s flashbacks).

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But while everyone was talking, he disappeared…

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While I don’t know where he went, or if this is just an artsy angle and Tanaka either moved back or is purposely absent for aesthetic reasons, Undertaker’s proximity says a lot.

Tanaka let Undertaker approach Real!Ciel.

Tanaka is letting Undertaker say his spiel.

It is now very, very likely that Tanaka knows Undertaker.

Unfortunately, we only got to see one Tanaka-reaction shot in this chapter, as seen below.

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This is after RC stated that he wouldn’t let anyone try to punish OC for his lie.

Tanaka is very composed and not disturbed by RC’s speech, indicating that this protective behavior may be normal (based off OC’s flashbacks, I think we can agree).

If you squint hard enough, you can see a degree of sadness, but honestly I read that expression more as calm acceptance rather than sadness at RC’s words.

Aside from this image, we don’t see how Tanaka reacts to Undertaker except for his inactivity– no one’s stopping the man.

The look on Tanaka’s face and his lack of surprise at RC showing up also implies that he knows a great deal about the twin switch, and apparently about RC (due to his allowance of Undertaker’s actions/ proximity).

Questions

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Tanaka’s actions and Undertaker’s presence lead to more questions in this deepening plot:

  • Was Tanaka working with Undertaker?
    • When did Tanaka become privy to RC’s existence? Did he allow Undertaker to begin his work, or was he only notified after RC was brought back or in the stages of “rehabilitation?” For all we know, Tanaka was just made aware of Undertaker’s presence in this chapter or when RC arrived. Based on his composure toward RC and his lack of interference with Undertaker, I doubt this is the case (i.e. he’s known for a while).
  • Why does Tanaka allow Undertaker’s current actions?
    • Tanaka’s lack of interference indicates that he already knew of Undertaker’s involvement. Though Undertaker was an Evil Nobleman, that does not give him the intimacy to meddle in Phantomhive matters, especially ones related to life and death.
      • Possible answer: The Undertaker-Claudia theory, in which Undertaker and Claudia were friends or lovers (though iirc, the age differences would have left Claudia as a child or relatively young when Undertaker was alive– feel free to correct me if I’m wrong). This long intimacy with the Phantomhives may have reassured Tanaka.
        • A related theory is that Undertaker is Vincent’s father, whether that be through the guise of Cedric K. Ros or through an extramarital tryst. Reminder that Undertaker would have already been a shinigami at this point, so the question rests with whether or not shinigami can have children. If Undertaker was Vincent’s father, whether as Cedric or himself, and Tanaka knew, he may feel obliged to assist the man in his endeavors.
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      • Could Tanaka only know Undertaker as an Evil Nobleman? Is he moved by promises of reanimation and returning what was once lost? Personally, I’m not so sure if Tanaka would be lured by such ideals. The Halloween chapter (120, iirc) showed that while he greatly misses those he’s lost, he wants their souls to be comforted. Does he think that reanimation is a comforting solution?
  • What does Tanaka know about Undertaker?
    • At the very least, Tanaka knows Undertaker from the latter’s role as an Evil Nobleman. However, these two have likely known each other for decades. Tanaka’s composure indicates trust in the man, plus he was not shown reacting to Undertaker’s arrival or explanation. Further than being acquainted with Undertaker, Tanaka likely knows about his reanimation attempts and equally likely about his shinigami status.
      • Tanaka and Undertaker both share Japanese aspects as well. Since Toboso-sensei enjoys using stereotypes, this could indicate that Tanaka is familiar with the notion of shinigami or believes in such.

Again, all of these questions stem from the idea that Tanaka and Undertaker are more than acquaintances due to the Phantomhive connection and age. 

Perhaps next chapter will show Tanaka reacting in shock, that his lack of action this chapter was merely artistic focus, but based off these scraps of context and Tanaka’s composure thus far, I highly doubt it.

Bonus: The Fire

Remember this online mistranslation, in which RC should have said something about OC taking advantage of the fire? What fire do you think RC was referring to?

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Originally I thought it was the Phantomhive Manor Fire, but after this chapter, perhaps RC was referring to the cult fire?

OC saw Tanaka after he had Sebastian burn down the cult building– perhaps he told Tanaka about setting the building ablaze and about RC’s fate?

We know that Tanaka knew about the switch, but we don’t know what exactly OC told him about his brother’s fate.

Either fire being referenced makes sense, as evidence would have been lost in both cases.

Time to wait another month to find out what’s up.

I hope you don’t mind me butting in, OP! You make some really good points (although I don’t agree that Undertaker could still have been alive at the same time as Cloudia, that’s a separate issue;;), and there’s something I’d like to add!

First, regarding their shared link with Japan, I think it’s always good to note when Tanaka’s past is on the table that Japan was forcibly opened to trade (and following that its citizens were finally allowed to travel abroad without being automatically branded as pirates) in 1854. This is three years after Vincent was born, and the same year as one of Undertaker’s lockets. If Tanaka had left Japan before that point, he would have been considered a criminal by his homeland.

Therefore, if Cloudia and by extension Undertaker had anything to do with the political situation going on then, it’s even possible Undertaker was one of the first Western people Tanaka ever met. By all means, he has far more reason to side with Undertaker than Sebastian, especially if he knows that Sebastian is here to eat OC.

I personally feel like Tanaka has a general policy of non-interference, considering how he’s played along with OC’s charade, didn’t want Sebastian to do anything drastic during the green Witch arc, and right now doesn’t seem keen on interfering either.

The big thing you reminded me of though, was that there was a gag scene in the anime where Tanaka was found casually drinking tea with Ash, who as we know turned out to be the big bad. (speaking of non-interference, season one also showed him having agreed not to tell Ciel anything under Vincent’s orders, so as not to inspire Ciel to take revenge and live in hatred) (lol). Supposing Tanaka has known about this for a long time, and known about both sides for a long time… tea with the enemy, indeed. I don’t know how you feel about the anime, but considering it was supervised by Takeshi Kuma and has foreshadowed other major things with throwaway gags (like Grelle’s exaggerated suicidal tendencies), I’m personally inclined to say this lines up