Awww ❤ ❤ ❤ Thank you for the very sweet message Anon-chan!
I also really love the Uta = OEK theory, in all its many versions actually. 😀 And I agree with you, I am choosing to see this as being unanswered rather than denied, especially considering that Sensei did so many artworks of Uta over the years. So I really think something was up with him and Sensei actually enjoyed the idea very much, but then… well something happened. :3
It’s not the only theory that was left unanswered, without mentioning all the biology-related questions I still have, but I’ll keep having my opinion on these topics as headcanons. :))
OMG good point about Itori’s feelings though! I explained to another Anon why I thought these were likely to exist way before the last chapter surprinsingly confirmed it, but you are 100% accurate…
It’s definitely some kind of confirmation to all these Uta theories! Ahh, thank you for sharing it with me Anon, it totally makes my day!! 😀
Honestly if Sensei ever decides to make a spin-off about 100 years ago (to answer about the Washuu family…
or even the Clowns and ghoul biology in general), I’ll be here. 🙂 I hope you’ll join me if this happens, Anon!
As for Kuroshitsuji and Berserk, no worries I’ll be there. 🙂 Don’t hesitate to pass by to chat or if you’ve got anything on your mind. I have a Berserk post coming up that I wanted to do for a long time but since it’s kinda a crack theory I’ve refrained from writing it till now. xD
Thanks again for passing by, for the nice words and sharing your thoughts Anon! ^3^ I really appreciate it and I hope we’ll discuss more in the future! ❤
Have a lovely day!
Hey Anon! Thanks, I’m glad so many people agree that this is a cool theory, haha! ^3^ (it may not be a theory anymore tho’, thanks Itori and Anon above)
I don’t think you’re in denial, in fact I agree with what @sentrakk proposed here, in the sense that another addition to the story remains possible, due to a lot of plot threads being left hanging (like the Uta theories for example).
I just am not sure that it should be a sequel is all, because Kaneki’s story is indeed over and it could be a difficult read if Sensei were to keep pushing in this direction. Of course, it could still be a sequel with a different protagonist: if that’s the case, I’d personally be interested in Kurona’s travels, Takizawa or even where Akira and Amon possibly left.
More than anything though, if we were to argue that Sensei might one day decide to add another part to his story, personally I’d like a prequel (kinda like he did with TG: Jack & Arima), mostly because going back to 100 years ago would give us a lot of answers about all the relevant topics I was super fond of (they’re mentioned above). xD
Focusing on world building is one thing I particularly like in complex series: it’s something that Sensei tried to do with ghoul biology, the Washuus, V, the sunlit garden, sunlit society, the mention of other countries besides Japan… but in the end, just like many other parts, Sensei couldn’t finish what he started.
I don’t blame him and I’m not bitter, because I could sense it coming for a while even if I would have loved to be proved wrong, but at some point between the complex world building and Kaneki’s own complex story, I think Sensei just got tired, which is why :Re ended the way it did.
So in my opinion, the way he finished :Re definitely left some room for a possible addition (prequel, side story, sequel) if one day he decides to tackle this again. This day might never come, but the possibility does exist.
Hi Anon! Yeah, as I mentioned here a few chapters ago and here more recently, it’s also my opinion that Sensei didn’t go through with what he planned for several parts of the story, the Clowns in general being one of them. 🙂
I’m okay tho’, I mean, I realized it would be the case precisely by the time ch171 was released and Uta’s little moment led to no real answer. Obviously I was kinda hoping to be proved wrong, but now it’s set in stone so… :3
I’m still considering this idea as a headcanon personally (all versions of it), I mean…
…knowing that it’s 100% okay if no one agrees with me. xD
I won’t mention again all that I mentioned during this past year (the recap post is here if you want to check it out once more) and I don’t regret any second that I worked onto the many versions of this theory, so I’m not bitter.
If Sensei ever wants to do a spin-off about the century preceding the events of TG (since he sure seemed to enjoy making all these Uta drawings), or if he wants to tell us anything about what he didn’t make happen in TG, I will definitely read and be all ears, but otherwise I’m just comfortable telling myself it’s what happened now that there won’t be any other answer on the subject.
Sorry to hear that you may be disappointed Anon, though. But if you liked these theories, well, there is nothing forbidding you to believe in them now that they weren’t confirmed or denied and probably won’t ever be. ^3^
I hope it helps, if just a little! Have a lovely day. 🙂
Hi Anon! Ah, well, to specify that time passed, it’s generally easier to give a new haircut to the characters. 🙂
Almost everyone else had their haircut changed Anon. He already felt like a reprobate for most of his life…
so I really want him to feel like he’s belonging with everyone else now. xD
Besides, long or short hair, I’m pretty sure Yomo wouldn’t notice any difference anyway and Itori probably loves him no matter what haircut he has, so it really doesn’t matter, hahaha!
Hint for a part 3, then? Since both the One Eyed Washuu and then the second OEG of the timeline ended pushed below ground too?
Also as I was saying to a few readers who asked: if we’re supposed to expect Kaneki showing up again in ch179 next week because TG is truly ending, then the only explanation I can think of is that Sensei did it all to show that humans and ghouls can reach an understanding and a way to make coexistence work without Kaneki having to be there.
And this is important because Kaneki never really wanted to be the One Eyed King or to lead the world in the first place, so making it work without him means that when he comes back, he’ll be able to have his own free future with Touka.
Otherwise, another option for this chapter is to consider Kaneki dying and never making it out to the surface again, but… it wouldn’t make a lot of sense with :Re’s themes, without mentioning that Ayato probably couldn’t make it out either.
Finally please remember that even more so with the newest chapter, the current arc completely parallels what happened 100 years ago with the Nagaraj, which is one part (amongst many) that Sensei never entirely expanded on. So… part 3? Maybe?
Personally I hope so.
Hey, for the fans who say that “it’s the dragon arc all over again, what’s the point” please note the difference between the arc that started in ch145
and that threatened the city of Tokyo vs the idea that Kaneki was possibly pushed below ground this time in ch178.
Why does it matter? Because as hinted by Matsuri above in ch151, if Kaneki can’t manage to come back by himself, then it most likely is going to link him back to the two previous ghoul leaders that failed their own rebellion:
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and to all the theories related to these two parts of the story (a recurring topic on my blog for those who are new xD), the only difference being that Kaneki’s rebellion at least led to humans and ghouls seemingly cooperating together for the first time in history.
Kaneki being pushed into the 24th ward could also tie to the following, since the very first rebellion was led by a OEG from the Washuu family:
and since we still don’t know much about the sunlit garden, V, all the secrets of the Washuu family, the sunlit society Kanou and Kurona’s father were a part of, or even about ghoul biology in general and why Kaneki seems to be an exception to a lot things:
So please do not say that it doesn’t make sense. No matter if the series Tokyo Ghoul ends for real next week or not, Sensei did not write twice the same arc.
One thing I don’t get is that the Washuus are the ones who allied with the old CCG to take the One Eyed Washuu down 100 years ago
and then they created V when the second OEG of the timeline showed up??
It was even around the same time as (or just before) they developed quinques for human investigators:
So when did the change of power take place? When did the Washuus become a part of V (as Furuta explained in ch101) and when did V start having the upper hand when they were initially supposed to be the Washuus’ creation?
Unless V really existed before the Washuus, but then it would contradict some stuff that was said in previous chapters, I’m just ????? lost?
EDIT: never mind, @linkspooky pointed out to me that we’re probably supposed to read the scene as followed
This little part that Kaiko is thinking…
meaning that he’s simply still super mad that his pal Kuzen left V behind for Ukina and Eto all these years ago.
TL;DR the Washuus still created V in order to defeat the second OEG of the timeline who threatened to overthrow the CCG just after WWII:
now if I could just know who this gal/dude is that’d be nice
I’ve also been thinking that the Washuu became a part of V around when the second OEK appeared. Maybe V is an amalgamation of various influential families, primarily consisting of ghouls. As a part of V these families are producing soldiers in the form of half-humans for the organization. One hint suggesting that there might be other Washuu-like families elsewhere, is Shao. She’s a half-human who was born in Taiwan, but was sent to Japan’s CCG from an external source. I hope that makes sense.
@donatoporpora yeah, excellent point about Hsiao or even Germany, which has always been referred to as the #1 partner of the CCG (and both organizations belonging in V could explain this partnership). We also still don’t know why Donato (who is Russian) was hanging around in Japan (not that there has to be a specific reason but eh).
That’s why the idea of a part 3 targeting a more international scale of TG’s world always sounded interesting (iirc Middle East was also mentioned by Yoshimura and there was also the link between the Rosewald and Tsukiyama families), even if I doubt that it’s ever going to happen by now.
In the end, it depends if V is really just Washuu/Japan-centered or if there might be a real international side to it (Taiwan and Germany at least) and I can envision both possibilities honestly. For example, maybe Hsiao could simply be born because at some point Tsuneyoshi visited Taiwan and had a fling with her mom, which is why she then joined the sunlit garden. Just like it could be what you said. 🙂
What we were told is that initially V seemed to be sunlit garden-only, but then they slowly opened their ranks to other strong ghouls (like Yoshimura)
which is why V now represents an organization that is encompassing the Washuu family and the sunlit garden (and why they can afford to get rid of the Washuus).
So maybe the same thing happened internationally, as in, the Washuus created V around WWII but then V slowly expanded over the years and ended having affiliations in other countries (Germany, Taiwan…).
Since it really seems the Washuus created V to defeat the second OEG of the timeline though, then I’ll stick with this timeline until we’re given more info. :3
cries because the family tree of the new chapter wasn’t translated
seriously tho’, what the fuck did they do? Tsuneyoshi mentioned his ancestors so I’m still convinced that it is at least related to the conflict with this guy…
since he was a OEG, thus probably stronger than any other Washuu.
The fact that the One Eyed Washuu was a hybrid was the reason he was probably disregarded by the whole family (and the reason he hated and rebelled against them), but at the same time him being stronger was also the reason they helped/needed the first CCG organization to take him down.
So maybe that inspired these ancestors and they realized that not just being 100% kakuja but also having a hybrid blood was the key to being even stronger? But why would the main family not be concerned by the fast aging in that case?
I just can’t imagine how they “became more human” though, if this wasn’t solely through hybrid reproduction? Or is it what the sunlit society was researching about (Kanou did say that they were “evil”)?
Hey, so you guys remember the OEK from 100 years ago? We saw both the ghoul and his kakuja form thanks to Matsuri in ch151:
And thanks to Ayato, we also saw the results of the Nagaraj’s rampage in ch131, almost 100 years after the crisis happened:
However, I have to ask: what happened to its kakuja head (the thing in red)? If you look where the kakuja is climbing up in the backgroud, it’s almost as if it was beheaded somehow???
And now thanks to the latest chapters we’ve got this:
Uta’s kakuja doesn’t have a head/face either (it’s just a huge mouth?).
I mean, maybe it’s a coincidence (and Uta’s nickname only refers to the fact he can shape-shift), but anyone remembers what they did to the Nagaraj’s eyes?
…that no one managed to dig the legendary OEG out of his kakuja, 100 years ago?
Does this mean that the body and kakuhou from which that huge kakuja originated is still somewhere inside? As in…
there is a very old person inside that thing???
Bringing that back, because when Kaneki was freed…
Meanwhile, for the Nagaraj 100 years ago, they had to stop him through breaking his eyeballs, which resulted in…
…which would explain why we can still see the huge kakuja down in the 24th ward, because there is a chance no one managed to rescue this guy:
Moving on to Uta, since I really think we’re going to be targeting his backstory and the rest of the Clowns’ in the next chapters (and he has idk how many foreshadowing hints of having a link to ^ this dude), I think everyone noticed this:
Which is that in the new chapter, his tattoos literally expanded to cover his kagune (?) and which is surprising to say the least, that is of course,unless Uta is something like a kagune/kakuja clone of the One Eyed Washuu and his whole body turns out to have the properties of a kagune/kakuja:
It’s always been one of the possibilities for Uta’s identity after all [x][x] and it would be one door to explain many things, such as:
Noro himself, who could have been a kagune/kakuja clone of Eto’s foster parent Noroi (killed by V, according to Eto)
why Uta told Yomo he doesn’t know why he’s so strong in his flashback and why he looked so young despite knowing Roma, Donato, etc, who got sent to jail way before Yomo came to the 4th ward
why Uta used a piercing to make his clones when Donato used a finger (ch116): if Uta’s whole appearance has kagune/kakuja properties because himself is a clone, then he could make yet another clone of himself through his piercings.
maybe even those kids Ayato found in the 24th ward (? I mean they look very similar to each other aside from the hair and you gotta wonder where their parents or everyone else were)
Imma stop there, but it’s just to say that, personally, this chapter kinda tilted the balance towards Uta being a kagune/kakuja clone instead of the One Eyed Washuu in the flesh, because Sensei foreshadowed that link for such a long time that there is most likely a trick to it.
More answers on Monday, hopefully, or for the chapter after the next!
Okay so, old thought using two different translations, and obviously I might be reading way too much into this, but I find it interesting that flashback!Uta seemed to have been discovering that the “No face” mask/identity was well-known from the CCG back when he was already leading the 4th ward.
I mean, he didn’t even know Arima when the guy was already a legend after defeating Owl…
and also…
he didn’t seem to know why he was so strong. Of course, he could just be bullshitting us and Yomo, but you know, listening to his flashback…
it’s as if he… just popped up one day from wherever he was being kept before (since I still think he’s the most likely candidate to have the biggest link to the One Eyed Washuu) and he had to learn everything as it came to him.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
you know, maybe flashback/young!Uta is to the One Eyed Washuu what Sasaki was to Kaneki?
Because the similarities between Uta and the One Eyed Washuu are real:
And besides, you know how the current situation is similar to the one 100 years ago, because Furuta got inspired by what happened with the Nagaraj?
Anyway, whatever happened, he possibly was held in captivity by the Washuus/the CCG/V for a long while, which could be why (as a parallel to Haise)
he initially had no memory of being the One Eyed Washuu or about his past. This could also explain why his name is simply Uta: he chose a new identity for himself when he got his reboot, just like Haise did.
I also don’t know how he escaped from V/the Washuus but maybe…
So then, Uta found himself leading the 4th ward because he was the strongest around and because he had no idea as to what else to do with his life, but slowly he started getting all of his memory back, the way it happened for Kaneki…
…which would be when, I guess, he started tattooing his body with a lot of extremely significant patterns, that are meaningful regarding the situation 100 years ago but also the current one (since, again, there is a parallel).
Finally, Kaneki as a character does have a lot of parallel with Uta, especially if Uta also used to be the OEK as the One Eyed Washuu, which is why I guess Uta always referred to him as a very special customer (even back as Haise)…
…because he must have seen these parallels as well.
Honestly, I think Uta might have gotten sick of leading the 4th ward for a reason related to his possible past as the One Eyed Washuu & one OEK of the timeline…
…which is literally similar to Kaneki never wanting to become the OEK but doing so anyway, because he had no other reason to live on when Arima & Eto asked.
TL;DR I just wanted to point out the following parallels:
100 years ago, the One Eyed Washuu was defeated by the old CCG and “was driven underground”.
We don’t know what happened afterwards, but maybe the old CCG or the Washuus managed to get his body back and held onto him for years.
But isn’t it interesting that, in the Anteiku raid arc at the end of TG’s first part, Kaneki lost against the CCG (Amon++) and was driven underground too, facing Arima at V14, being defeated and taken by the CCG to become Sasaki Haise?
After escaping from where he was kept (?), “young”!Uta was tasked with leading the 4th ward because he was the strongest around, but this led to a conflict with Arima and the CCG almost destroying the place:
Uta dropped the leader role after the fiasco though, which was 200% fine with him anyway, because he was enjoying working as a mask maker way more.
But doesn’t this remind anyone of Kaneki becoming the OEK as soon as Haise remembered everything, because he was the strongest around, but this leading to a series of misfortunate events too, because Kaneki sucked as the OEK since he never wanted that role?
I’m just saying: Kaneki became the OEK, which ultimately led to a remake of what happened 100 years ago with the Nagaraj and, at the same time, Kaneki and Uta both sucked as leaders, but that’s because both were given roles that they never really wanted => that’s some real link between these two for me.
Bonus: Uta’s reaction to this?
And this is super funny because if Uta really was the One Eyed Washuu, he got a second chance at life, even after fucking things up 100 years ago and with the 4th ward: now he does what he likes, which is being a mask maker and just clowning around with his old pals…
because he’s always been “quite the reprobate and that’s why [he] wants to stay in the thick of it” (from :Re ch116). Kinda reminiscing of Kaneki hopefully getting the future and family that he desired as long as he can find a way to solve the current crisis and despite failing terribly as the OEK, no?
Here’s a short not well articulated kinda drunk sounding theory. It’s more like a collection of ideas really… I read a few theories and was also personally thinking about how Kaneki’s body is being purposefully used and then discarded only as kind of breeding vessel for a new phase and life cycle of dragon. And story wise that makes sense but I think that’s possibly only really because the natural process was kinda hijacked by using an artificial ghoul not because it’s natural for the life cycle of the dragon to truly kill the host.
Because I mean… Kaneki is an artificial dragon. In the case of the original OEK dragon (Well… it was called “Serpent" or Naga but same kind of being) the kakuhou and it’s DNA actually belonged to the natural born OEK, meaning the dragon was probably just trying to make a new clone of itself. (Probably Uta)
Like some weird fungus that feed off itself and tries to remake it’s host (which is also itself in the case of a ghoul) as well as creating more of itself. (What if it was turning humans into ghoul’s with it’s genetics so it could continue feeding on it’s own genetics like what triggered it’s creation in the first place)
Maybe the reason Kaneki probably doesn’t seem to have healed is probably because the dragon is supposed to recreate itself at the end of it’s life cycle since it’s original form is left worn out by the process. (Maybe in some weird biological attempt for the half ghoul body to rid itself of it’s human-ness it just kinda explodes in a mass of confused genetic data when confronted with an excess of it’s own RC cells and kakuhou and then recreates it’s self as a “pure” ghoul and all Kaneki’s human data was thrown out after numerous failed recreations though I have zero proof of that, I said this sounded drunk, I know only very little about biology also it doesn’t explain the “spores” turning humans into ghouls)
So even though it seems like it might have made some attempt to recreate him (see all the lifeless clones in the eye/eggs) probably because he was dragon’s originator and his kakuhou does (or did) seemingly store his genetic data perfectly enough to literally regrow parts of his brain with their memories intact (maybe it didn’t work recreating him for the same reason his arms didn’t grow back right his body was wearing down and the genetic copies were corrupted. Though if Nishiki’s theory about the telomeres being lengthened by a large influx of RC cells this concept it bull shit)
Unfortunately for Kaneki his kakuhou isn’t truly his and the kakuhou’s in the Furuta coffin children squad and “nucleus” definitely weren’t.
Or maybe Rize literally regrew from the nucleus in primordial soup of her own DNA and her RC cells that was dragon despite Kaneki being the dominate copy it tried to make initially. Maybe that’s why it remade her perfectly. IDK Because there had to be some precedence for the creation of the egg for Furuta to know about but I doubt the “nucleus” (whatever the fuck that is) of the original OEK was separate from him and then consumed and yet the egg was probably still somehow created if Furuta knew about it as a possibility.
Finishing writing this I can think of numerous reasons why saying all of this makes no sense and I’m just sort of spitting what comes in my head without researching because it’s 3 am and I can’t sleep. But maybe this will at least trigger a thought in someone else.
@littlemissymonster actually, this makes a lot of sense to me and this saves me the trouble of making a post because this is basically what I think too. 🙂
I agree with you, there should be yet another parallel between what Kaneki became in the current arc vs what happened with the Nagaraj 100 years ago, especially since Furuta admitted to being inspired by a legend/fairy tale…
except that as you said, where Furuta was expecting Rize to be “reborn” (because it was Rize’s kakuhou in the first place), the same OEG probably was recreated from the Nagaraj 100 years ago.
Here’s the thing for me: I find it’s really interesting that the kakuja tried to pull Kaneki back in…
…because it means that Kaneki being saved from his kakuja is just really the result of a big luck (starting from Tsukiyama being able to gather so many metal detecting devices in record time to the Qs helping Touka). Whereas 100 years ago…
…the original One Eyed Washuu very probably couldn’t be extracted from his kakuja which led to it turning into stone after its eyeballs were destroyed.
In other words, this is how I’d sum up this possibility based on a parallel between the Nagaraj and huge kakuja!Kaneki…
In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if Uta was “reborn” more than just once over the last 100 years, considering the flashback with Yomo (assuming he told the truth to Kaneki of course) + stuff like gasmask86 and it works also regarding those clones both he and Kaneki are able to make…
The biology details for how/why Rize could be reborn from Kaneki + the Oggai are a bit lost on me right now (even if I think that Kaneki not looking so well is possibly because all that he ate was used to fuel the kakuja and maybe recreate Rize), but if ghoulism is akin to parasitism, in the end it’s not so surprising that Sensei would introduce a life cycle (based on monoxenous development).
I’m sure Furuta or someone else will explain soon anyway but it’s fun to consider ideas. :))
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