I’ve seen some posts theorizing that maybe he didn’t and I hope I hope I hope they’re right because that would honestly mean a lot to me and make so much sense for Kaneki as a character.
That being said, I honestly think she did die.
Sorry to intrude @hamliet. Personally I’m (probably irrationally) hoping that this Rize who came out from the egg earlier…
…might be a “copy” from the original one and that the real Rize is somewhere else (with Okahira, Arata, maybe Yoshimura, etc). Maybe even in Kanou’s lab?
That being said, I agree it was possibly foreshadowed she would die…
just like I also agree that Kaneki being the one to take this decision would go against a big part of TG’s themes.
That’s why I’m hoping that, if Rize really died by Kaneki’s hand, at least the “thank you” on the last page was coming from her, as a follow up to this discussion:
as in, Rize was already dead ever since the mass-production of the Oggai so she couldn’t be saved + she didn’t have the ability to shoulder her sins, so she’d rather have stayed “here” when Kaneki decided to cross the river full of corpses and to come back in order to take responsibility.
It would at least make it seem like it was a choice made out of mutual understanding and agreement, even if I wish Kaneki had still tried to save her.
Excuse me but I love how we see Kaneki using his kagune as if it were the ukaku type, following Touka-chan’s style, precisely as it’s written “we still wish to be beautiful”.
I find it really parallels well this scene…
…as well as its own little outcome years after:
It’s making me so emotional, I’m so happy and proud of how Sensei managed to convey so much in this chapter… ❤
Just to point out that nothing was explained about the current arc with the newest chapter, which is once again reinforcing (for me) the idea that this arc might not just be about UT’s shenanigans.
Ch141 tells us that real!Ciel went through all of UT’s experiments that concluded in the Campania
and Weston arcs
for other bizarre dolls besides him.
The question now is how we went from UT’s coffin and the Weston arc to…
real!Ciel becoming “Lord Sirius”/”the blue star”. This is something that UT didn’t explain, without mentioning that, if bringing back the twin was the first goal of the bizarre doll project, then who the hell mass produced the idea (?) through the blue sect?
UT may not have had the time nor the need to make it a business as I pointed out before, especially since he was apparently
really focusing on the twin, which also seems to be logical when we listen to Othello said in ch119/125:
and that’s without knowing what’s up about the current arc and blood transfusions (ch108/ch115??).
Obviously science alone can’t bring someone back to life in Kuroverse and maybe that’s what UT is mocking Stoker about in the Campania arc, especially since Stoker truly had no idea how the experiment with the cinematic records worked (when UT might at least have understood how to restore the twin’s body), but still…
…I wonder if this might not be the pot calling the keetle back in the current arc where UT is concerned
indeed, at least for some parts of it and if there is really someone else/another organization involved.
He put the twin back together, turned him into a bizarre doll and whatever happened between Weston and the current arc, now the guy is convinced and overjoyed about how it finally means death won’t take anyone away from him anymore (which logically should lead to either a wakeup call or him going down for real I guess).
I guess we’ll see now that Othello finally arrived. 🙂
Just to point out that nothing was explained about the current arc with the newest chapter, which is once again reinforcing (for me) the idea that this arc might not just be about UT’s shenanigans.
Ch141 tells us that real!Ciel went through all of UT’s experiments that concluded in the Campania
and Weston arcs
for other bizarre dolls besides him.
The question now is how we went from UT’s coffin and the Weston arc to…
real!Ciel becoming “Lord Sirius”/”the blue star”. This is something that UT didn’t explain, without mentioning that, if bringing back the twin was the first goal of the bizarre doll project, then who the hell mass produced the idea (?) through the blue sect?
UT may not have had the time nor the need to make it a business as I pointed out before, especially since he was apparently
really focusing on the twin, which also seems to be logical when we listen to Othello said in ch119/125:
Knowing that Othello has most probably known Undertaker since he was a shinigami, will Othello refer to Undertaker as his real name? Will we finally find out what his real identity is?
I hope so, because by just uncovering his real name a lot of theories can be proven or debunked. We NEED to know about his relationship to Cloudia.
Hopefully he didn’t have one name as a Shinigami and a different one as his “birth” name.
I’m thinking Sensei has a good guess of what the big fandom theories are so, even if IDK whether or not the UT = Cedric theory is also a thing in the JPN fandom, I guess the next step in July would simply be to confirm or deny Othello and UT knowing each other (thus going back to the case of 50 years ago eventually)?
In my opinion Sensei giving us UT’s real name won’t be for anytime soon, especially if she wants to tease some more about the “UT = Cedric?” idea. However a confirmation that Othello and UT know each other can lead to maybe Othello telling Ciel later some stuff about 50 years ago, including why he thought that Ciel looked familiar somehow (at least if that part is related to Claudia and not the twin, which is what we don’t know).
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