What if Shiro is really the twins’ father?

I’ve seen the theory going around before, so it shouldn’t be a new idea at all, but frankly the more we get into the flashbacks the more I wonder about how likely it could be. 

So here’s my take on it: it was said in the story before that Yuri became pregnant with the twins because she was impregnated by Satan’s host, which means that the male human who Satan possessed could also be called the twins’ father. 

Thanks to Lightning’s recent investigation, we were kinda pushed to believe that 

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Azazel’s clone #5 Goro was The One, but who knows for sure, especially since looking at Yuri…

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…there definitely was a thing between her and Shiro. 

Furthermore, the newest chapter told us that Shiro was the only one who made it Exwire amongst the Azazel clones and we know it was also the case for Yuri since she eventually became an exorcist. 

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So I just wonder how Yuri would have come to meet with Goro who was probably a permanent resident of Section 13 in the first place, unlike Shiro with whom there definitely was a closeness for years because they were both trained to become exorcists. 

Then again, you could argue that Yuri didn’t have to know or love Goro for the twins to be conceived: I mean, there is the horrible eventuality that she was raped by Satan possessing Goro or even the anime’s take on it (especially if Shiro never gave into his feelings for her and kept pushing her away). :/

It’s just…I think that the idea that Shiro could be the twins’ biological father is interesting because he is similar on different aspects to both Rin and Yukio, as Rin himself mentioned in the newest chapter. 

At the same time, the idea that he raised the twins simply because of his love for Yuri is absolutely beautiful too, but it can still work because Shiro wouldn’t even have to know/believe that he’s actually the twins’ biological father in this theory. I mean, look…

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when he possessed Shiro in the very first chapter, Satan was the one in control of Shiro’s body, until Shiro managed to overcome him at the very end. 

My point is that the same could have happened in the past: maybe Satan possessed Shiro for a very short while, had sex with Yuri (who was in love with Shiro for a long time and didn’t notice anything?) and that’s how the twins were conceived, with Rin inheriting Satan’s powers. 

And when it comes to Goro, either Goro was the first human ever possessed by Satan, which is how he gained an ego and started possessing other humans, leading to the twins’ conception (through possessing Shiro) and eventually to the Blue Night as we all know, or Goro’s possession was simply the start of the Blue Night and that’s why his file is gone.

EDIT: btw about the blue night I still think that Mephy managed to save the day by promising Satan to give him Rin’s body once Rin would be old enough. Not only did Satan imply so but Lucifer wouldn’t kill Rin also for this reason. 

It’s just a theory obviously, but I really hope the flashback will tell us how Yuri could even know Goro since she probably never found out about Section 13.

If we know that, then I guess we can rule out Shiro from being the twins’ biological father, but not before.

Last point, but Mephy once mentioned that if Yukio was the one finding out about the past the way Rin is doing right now, it wouldn’t bring good results…

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…and since Yukio already believes that Shiro was just raising them as weapons to take down Satan, I can’t even begin to imagine what’s really the twist behind the twins’ existence that finding out about the truth (which is what Yukio wanted for so long) would make Yukio feel even more horrible…

EDIT: I guess that if the Grigori have it wrong and Satan didn’t possess any guy (Shiro or other) who then had intercourse with Yuri, resulting in the twins’ conception, the other possibilities are that:

  • Satan possessed Yuri herself and that’s when the boys were conceived (kind of similar to the Virgin Mary)
  • or that Yuri was already pregnant (because of Shiro? or another guy?) and Satan possessed her during the pregnancy, leading to the twins getting powers and becoming interesting vessels.

BTW I know people have been joking around about Kaneki looking younger than ever in the very last TG chapter…

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but anyone remembers this?

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I mean, we all know that Kaneki did eat a lot of people during the Dragon arc…

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so maybe this is a last nasty reminder by Sensei and Kaneki looking younger is actually meant to be x))

rationalkuroshitsuji:

Ch 141 review: Sebastian’s sense of smell

(Ch 141 pg 12)

It’s disturbing enough that Our Ciel didn’t realize he was sitting on top of the corpse of his brother while sitting in Undertaker’s shop.

But it bothers me more that neither Sebastian nor Grelle seemed to notice.

Sebastian and Grelle are both supernatural beings whose duties revolve around the dead. They both ought to have noticed a corpse.

I can explain it away though.

For Grelle, the explanation is fairly simple. Grelle was undercover as Madame Red’s butler, so it wouldn’t have made sense for them to have said something. Grelle also had no reason to have known Our Ciel had a dead twin, so even if they’d noticed a corpse, there was no reason suspect it might have been connected to the Phantomhives.

For Sebastian it’s a little trickier: Sebastian was intimately familiar with Real Ciel’s corpse. If anyone should have noticed, it’s Sebastian.

However, in the Weston School arc, we saw Sebastian interact with Mr. Agares several times without him directly sensing that Agares was a walking corpse.

So I suspect that Sebastian probably noticed that there was a corpse in the coffin, but he couldn’t tell that it was a bizarre doll. He must not have been able to tell that it was Real Ciel’s body either, or else he should have said something to Our Ciel.

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I wonder if that was the joke…

Undertaker: You want information? Give me supreme laughter!

Sebastian: I’ll handle this. Please leave the room.

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Sebastian: The Young Master doesn’t realize he’s been sitting on top of a corpse this whole time.

Undertaker: YES, yes he has been, hasn’t he.

liketolaugh-writes:

ON ANOTHER TOPIC ENTIRELY, a ramble about something Ciel said once!

Specifically, when he talked about the children at Baron Kelvin’s manor, and how had he not had Sebastian, he may never have recovered from the state they were then in.

This is my theory on what he meant by that:

It’s about safety, basically! Or rather, the ability to feel safe. Having a demon completely under his command, unable to harm him or to allow him to come to harm, must have been an enormous confidence booster when he first escaped the cult. While he knew Sebastian would eventually be his death, it wouldn’t be then.

Assuming he appropriately internalized this – which, given how hard he had to work for it and how Ciel’s mind works, is entirely possible – it may have allowed him to feel safe not only in the manor, where he was originally captured, but also out and about, in public where anyone could otherwise snatch him. He had his nightmares, certainly, but in his waking hours, he felt at least safe enough to move about.

Without this, he might have been paralyzed with fear, always afraid of being attacked again, or kidnapped, or returned to the cult. He might not have been able to be around most adults or people in masks. He might not have even been able to bring himself to leave the house, and perhaps wouldn’t have even been able to stand the manor itself. (Leaving aside the fact that there wouldn’t have been a manor, obviously.)

And further: in the series, Ciel is repeatedly shown leaving Sebastian behind and moving forward with the task at hand while Sebastian does something else, with the promise that he will simply catch up later. This is a good sign of independence and means that Ciel is not entirely dependent on Sebastian’s presence for this feeling of safety; that initial security allowed him to grow and find his footing again, eventually learning to carry that security on his own, as a parent does for a toddler.

End rant, thank you for your time.

Soooo… Time for a recap post? Here’s what we know:

  • the moonlight child only appears during the full moon => it’s implied that he can only materialize the night magic is at its strongest
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  • Considering that his OD never led to the brand reacting, I doubt he comes from “the Underworld”
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(and btw)

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  • Griffith 2.0 does not disappear during the full moon, so it can’t be the demon infant getting his body back just for one night
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  • Casca’s attraction to the moonlight child is very reminiscent of how she used to react when the demon infant was nearby
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(and the child himself is very attached to her which could be a hint because, in comparison, the demon infant always made sure not to get too close to her, probably because he knew the brand would hurt his mom)

  • Femto commented on feeling the demon infant’s fear for his parents, so we know the infant always seeked to protect them and that’s also exactly what the moonlight child did with Guts and Casca every time he appeared
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(the demon infant also knew that Guts loved Casca dearly, that’s why he warned him about going to save Casca, and so does the moonlight child, since that’s she he used to bring Guts back from the berserk mode twice)

  • he’s not an envoy of Danan, Gedfryn confirmed as much in ch344
  • bonus: like mother, like son?
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(Side note but whenever he materialized, Casca acted more rational and like an adult than when he wasn’t around: she would feed him or be scared of him climbing up, when usually she couldn’t even eat by herself or realize whenever she did something dangerous)

So anyway, it’s nothing new that there are too many similarities between the demon infant and the moonlight child, which is why a lot of readers (not everyone, I’m aware of that) think the two are the Gutsca baby.

Previously I proposed that the moonlight child could be some kind of ‘incarnated dream’ of the demon infant, but it’s not certain that it would make sense with the child disappearing inside of the World Tree, which is a “dragon’s road” between different realms? At the same time, in vol28, the World Tree wasn’t a thing yet either so…¯_(ツ)_/¯

These days now though I’m wondering more generally about what if the moonlight child is the demon infant’s ego?

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Because this would solve why he can only materialize corporeally during the full moon, “the nights magical forces are at their strongest”, while the demon infant remains Femto’s vessel at any given time. 

In other words, Femto possesses the body of the demon infant in order to exist in the corporeal world, but the child’s ego disappears/disappeared: 

  • either after what happened in vol22 (because Femto found him to be a liability after baby literally influenced him to go save Casca for example) 
  • or only when the full moon comes because strong magical forces give him the chance to materialize elsewhere to see his parents.

That could explain why he appears/disappears randomly exactly where Guts and Casca are, as well as why he’d be naked when showing up. What I mean is that I doubt the moonlight child exists corporeally elsewhere aside from the full moon where he is with Casca and Guts. 

Besides, I find the way the moonlight child appears to Guts when in Berserk mode is quite similar to what Schierke saw the first time Guts used the armor:

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And so I’m wondering if the similarities aren’t on purpose. 

It’s also obvious that the moonlight child is related to Light in general, if just as the light bringing Guts back when he lost himself to the armor’s power, which is why I also proposed previously that he may be the real hawk of light that everyone sees in Griffith 2.0. 

Another important point to mention is that the moonlight child apparently grew up in just one lunar cycle and there again, I wonder if this isn’t related to how Femto’s power is rapidly expanding, like with the World Tree for example.

The more Femto achieves victory, the more his influence and thus probably his power grow (and the more chaos grows closer), so if the moonlight child is linked to the demon infant who himself is Femto’s vessel, then this might explain why he’s visibly growing up along with Femto’s influence over the human world.

I guess this point might also explain why the second time the moonlight child 

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could remind us of Griffith 2.0 (if just with the hair), which is in my opinion one way that Sensei has to hint that the moonlight child is related to Griffith 2.0…

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who, again, is the result of Femto fusing with the demon infant’s flesh.

Finally, Sensei creating two entities for just one character (demon infant + moonlight child = Gutsca baby) would make sense considering certain… upcoming problematics, like, when Femto does get married to Charlotte for example which should probably be soon in the narrative.

I mean, the body Femto is inhabiting is the demon infant’s, the body of Guts and Casca’s child who should be like… 3 years old??? 

So in case something like a wedding night happens, well, I’d rather Sensei found a way to make it clear that Femto is 100% the one who has sex with Charlotte instead of the child himself, if you know what I mean?
The moonlight child being everything that used to be the demon infant (so his ego), besides his own flesh that now belongs to Femto, could solve this. 

Same for when Guts and Casca will ultimately face Femto in order to kill him. That way there could be hope left for their child’s survival.

An ego represents a person fully enough in any case, as we could see with Guts’ when he used the armor for the very first time: 

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That’s why I’d enjoy the idea!

I hope it was clear enough considering how complex the universe of Berserk is. Thanks for reading!