Ok, here’s the big question: what do you believe touka’s role as an individual? Because while others are talking what relevance, all I could’ve gathered was “ the girl only wanted a peaceful life with her business and yet, still put her life on the line multiple times and had to save many many characters storylines and some she had to play the wise lady for, even when she didn’t have to to do any of that and could’ve lived her life.”

midnight-in-town:

Hi! Okay so, I’m not sure of what exactly you’re asking, since you’re wondering about relevance but at the same time all your examples about Touka are relevant to explain her character, but anyway I’ll try to expand. 

First of all, maybe it’s a question of word choice, but as an “individual” your only role is to exist and live your life to me, so I’ll personally speak about Touka’s characterization instead: 

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You were wondering about why Touka fights even though all she wants is a peaceful life? Well, what good is your “peaceful life” if there is no one by your side?

So the reason Touka fights is not because she believes in coexistence and thinks that her peaceful life will come along with it. On the contrary, she sees her own species in a more negative light than humans, going as far as to not even see herself as someone who would ever be “beautiful” because “she’s a ghoul”. 

No, the reason Touka fights is because she can’t just live while losing things and people. Not anymore. Initially, this philosophy was one she probably tried to live by between TG and :Re after Yomo told her to run away from the 20th ward:

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But after Kaneki/Haise came back, this philosophy began to shatter. She went to help Tsukiyama’s escape during the Roze arc, she went with Ayato to save Hina in Cochlea and now…

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She’s most likely going to save her husband. 

Again, this has nothing to do with coexistence. She doesn’t want to save “the one eyed king, so that he’ll stop rampaging through Tokyo and kill humans”, rather she wants to save her husband because she loves him and because

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…she’s building a family with him. 

And I spoke about this before, even if it’s not really the subject here, but Kaneki is exactly the same.
The OEK role was initially given to him by Eto and Arima, and the only reason he accepted was because at the time he had nothing else to focus on in order to keep on living. It’s different now, because of his love for Touka and yearning for a future with her, which is the main reason he ended up going berserk recently:

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So you could call that “selfishness” if you want, but looking at the whole story, Touka and Kaneki are characters who could be summed up (in my opinion) by “I was selfless for a long time and I really tried to help everyone else, but now fuck it I come first”. 

That’s why deep down neither actually give a single care about the current conflict. Or well, they do, because ending it means their friends not dying anymore and that Kaneki will stop being a leading figure, but ultimately it’s about themselves, not about making the world a better place (they might eventually come to that though, for their child’s sake, but it’s not the case right now). 

In other words, Ishida called them a set, and a set they definitely are. 🙂 

Back to Touka, one of her biggest issues to solve in my opinion before she get to live a peaceful life would be finally accepting that ghouls aren’t inferior to humans, which is something she doesn’t see right now but which might change…

  • through finding out what happened to Arata, since his fate is one more proof that the CCG, a human organization, did terrible things too
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  • through meeting again with Yoriko, who now knows about Touka being a ghoul and who still sees her as a precious friend anyway
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  • through giving birth to her baby, which would help her with seeing herself in a different light.
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Finally, if we were to speak more generally of Touka’s relevance in the story (since it seemed to be your original question), then I think the one mistake not to make on the subject (and that unfortunately more than a few readers do) would be to define her character based on the romance between her and Kaneki. 

In fact, both Touka and Kaneki, even if they were described to be a set, are not solely defined by the mutual love they share. They exist as two different individuals and falling in love with each other is but one part of their respective characterization. 

Anyway, so if I were to give an image to explain Touka’s relevance from my point of view, I’d describe her as everyone’s pillar of strength.
Example: to be quite honest, even as a huge fan of hers, I was almost convinced that Tsukiyama would be the one leading ghouls during that common front with the CCG, but guess what…

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I was wrong. And it’s extremely interesting because, as I was saying above, Touka isn’t and doesn’t want to be a leader.

She isn’t even vouching for this common front because it’s important for the ghouls’ rebellion and for coexistence, nope, and yet she’s the current leader figure after Kaneki went Dragon, which speaks a lot about how many characters look up to and respect her because of what she represents and did for them.

Even Yomo, who used to be like a mentor figure and who was the one who told her that “they could only live while losing things”, apparently left that philosophy aside too, probably because seeing Touka and Kaneki falling in love and wanting to build a future for themselves changed his mind.

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So Touka’s relevance as a character has always been like a huge light shoved in the readers’ face throughout the whole story in my opinion, which is why I’m baffled whenever I read people saying “she isn’t doing anything” or “she’s just Kaneki’s love interest”. 

In fact, that’s the contrast with Hide’s own relevance as a character to the story (since people who shit on Touka generally love his character). He’s as relevant as she is, but it’s for different reasons and it’s also not expressed similarly in the story because of his strong shady game, which is why both their dynamic with Kaneki are interesting. 

In other words, Touka and Hide are both relevant, but for Touka it’s written in an almost blinding way while Hide shines too, but it’s as if it comes from behind the stage TG’s story takes place on.  

There, it was long, sorry for rambling. Anyway, I don’t know if this helps? You seemed to be wondering about Touka’s relevance as a character, so I hope I could at least answer this, if that’s what you meant.

Have a nice day Anon. 🙂

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Hi Anon and thanks for reading! 🙂 Actually, it’s as @hamliet explained here.

Both Touka and Kaneki see their own interests in this conflict ending: the sooner, the better and not because it will mean coexistence but because it will mean finally being together without having to fight anymore, as I was explaining above. 

The problem is that it’s a narrow-minded vision, at least as long as V still stands. You see, V as an organization is very anti-hybrid, unless these hybrids belong to the organization. The reason for that is the chaos raised by the previous One Eyed Washuu and the second OEG of the timeline, and that’s also why V was after Eto even as a baby. 

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Back to Touka and Kaneki, not believing in coexistence means not truly fighting for the world to change and for V to be defeated, which means not giving it their all for their own hybrid baby to have a chance of belonging in this new world. 

Besides, it’s something I’ve said before and it’s one reason I think Sensei won’t off that baby, but no hybrid child ever had a truly happy life so far in the story, which (for me) implies that Touka and Kaneki will probably end up realizing that it’s very important not to remain fatalistic (Touka) or Touka-centered (Kaneki), because a large part of that future as a family that they want so much is at stake with the current conflict.

However, I think this realization won’t happen until we learn more about the Sunlit Garden, or about how the previous naturally born OEGs were treated, which is surely going to be basically at the same time as we learn about V. 

For now saving Kaneki comes first. Touka’s pregnancy will be a focus after, no worries about it. 🙂

I hope it answers your question, have a nice day Anon!

I remember you discussed it before but do you really think Uta cares for Itori? We know Yomo it’s true because he went as far to save him but Itori? It seems she’s the one who clings onto uta? Maybe it’s because they’ve been together for a very long time…

Hi Anon! Yeah I really think Uta, Yomo and Itori are all really friends who care about each other…

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it’s just that Uta and Itori have what seems to be a similar agenda while Yomo’s philosophy was different. 

Doesn’t mean that they can’t be friends, on the contrary, and even if so far Sensei expanded more on the history between Uta and Yomo, it doesn’t mean we don’t know what they think about Itori:

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(omake TG vol 12 => drunk Yomo)

I know both Itori and Uta are characters who are hard to grasp fully, Itori probably even more than Uta since we’ve seen her less.
Nonetheless, I expect answers before the end (namely about what kind of past or link Uta and Itori seem to share), but I think the latest time we saw them when they saved Yomo (well, Uta saved him but then Itori carried him) is all the proof you need to say these 3 really are friends.

I hope it answers your question, have a nice day Anon!

I don’t know if you noticed but in the special chapter before the blue cult arc, Vincent is drinking the same glass Undertaker had before giving him the ribbon. Could it be that they had similar tastes in alcohol? One hint that they were related maybe?

Hello Anon. 🙂 Did you mean this part?

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To be honest, I had noticed it was the same glass but I hadn’t reached any particular conclusion.

I mean, maybe they have similar tastes for alcohol, maybe UT was drinking this because Vincent used to and he was nostalgic, maybe it’s as you said… Hard to say, because the only thing I think we can say for sure is that…

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UT has a sweet tooth. 

You’re free to reach any conclusion you want at this point, Anon. :3 Still thanks for sharing and reminding me of this! 

Have a nice day. ^_^

Since the current Kuro chapters are so dark, let’s try thinking abt the most funny arc so far XD. For me it was the arc in which Sebastian faked his Death. I keep laughing when I think abt it. What’s yours?

Hi! Well, Yana loves to use comic relief so there were funny parts in all arcs for me (I loved the part with the fake funeral for Seb for example). :)) 

If I were to compile them all though, I think the Weston arc would be the arc that has more funny parts than the others but that’s because almost the whole cast showed up, including Lau who completely increases the fun level of an arc, even if UT didn’t agree during the JTR arc. xD 

By the way, the Weston arc is my second fav arc so far, the Campania arc being first. :))

Have a nice day Anon. :3

I’m almost dead sure that kaneking only fell in love with toeka because of sex. He was a virgin, it’s usual as trope.

midnight-in-town:

midnight-in-town:

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Idk I mean Anon, to quote Mr. d’Ormesson, a French novelist who died very recently, it is my belief that “rien n’est plus proche de l’absolu qu’un amour en train de naître” and I’m sure even the Clowns would agree!

Spiritual over physical, you know? Orgasm hardly ever lasts in time compared to when there are feelings involved. Besides, be it in fiction or IRL I haven’t seen a lot of dudes proposing to a girl

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or becoming a literal monster for her sake

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simply because she was his first time. xD

That’s why “nothing is closer to absolute than love being born” and Kaneki and Touka are probably going to keep on constantly proving it to us until TG ends, even if they still need to work on slight personal and relationship issues. Yep. 

So here hon’:

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Enjoy the blossoming love between two characters who were meant to be together for a long time! 😀 And have a nice day!

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Aww Anon, please be a little sympathetic. Obviously the whole concept of anon hate is to send it to someone who likes the stuff Anon is hating on, otherwise what’s the point? xD

More seriously though, I don’t mind people not liking the romance between Kaneki and Touka, their relationship isn’t perfect and to each their own, but there is “not liking it” and “using completely non-existing arguments to prove a hateful point”, which is what Anon was doing.

You cannot try to argue that Kaneki loves Touka just because of ch125, for the simple reason that many of us were shipping them for a long time before that chapter. There are tons of arguments that anyone can use to say that their love for each other doesn’t come out of nowhere simply because Kaneki is not a virgin anymore.

So my problem with the previous ask is in this aspect, not in Anon disliking their relationship.
Again, Kaneki and Touka aren’t perfect, be it as characters or as a couple, and for that I can understand people not having to be fond of their relationship or respective characters, but don’t they try justifying it by “Kaneki’s dick liked Touka’s vagina so he fell in love” and even less so by making it a fictional generality.

There is a good debate or a good argument and then there is bullshit, and I don’t like the latter. 

Thanks for passing by and have a nice day Anon. 🙂

Aww, thanks Anon! The quote didn’t come from me though, if that’s what you were referring to. :3 

I wish I had a brilliant way with words but honestly I don’t, I just have feels. Thanks anyway. ^3^

Have a nice day Anon!

midnight-in-town:

soooo @hitsugikuro, remember when we discussed UT’s ring and your post about the “fleur-de-lys” pattern on it? Well, if UT’s ring and the Phantomhive ring aren’t linked together (since the Phantomhive ring also has this pattern), I think I will eat one of my shoes. xD

I dare say that I personally always thought that the Shinigami organization might not allow newcomers to keep on personal effects from their previous life (since being a Shinigami is a punishment), so what if UT’s ring was initially not UT’s ring because it used to belong to the Phantomhive family?

This screams Claudia or Vincent there again, but I so wouldn’t be surprised if somehow initially there were 2 Phantomhive rings (one for the Earl and one for his lady, for example) and UT was given one of them, sometimes during the last 50 years. 

Otherwise maybe UT was one of the very first Phantomhives before he killed himself. 

Hi Anon who read my tags! xD Well, there are two reasons for this answer and they’re linked: it’s the post above and also this post.

Initially, this crack theory comes from the fact that UT’s ring is missing in ch108 and the twin apparently doesn’t have it (see the post I linked to).
So unless it’s all Yana’s mistake or UT simply didn’t wear it that day for a reason in particular, it means that someone else currently has UT’s ring.

As for why I think (very not seriously) that it might be with Lizzie, it’s because, as I stated above, I think it’s possible that this ring originally was from the Phantomhive family and UT received it as… some kind of romantic/friendly gesture, probably from Claudia.

And well, you see, in terms of symbolism…

Lizzie does seem to have a lot in common with these skeletons wearing roses and a crown of thorns that are associated to both Ciel and UT.

Roses and thorns being the symbols of the Phantomhive family, the skeleton with UT is possibly Claudia’s, so if Lizzie = skeleton!Claudia while Ciel = UT for the relationship parallel…

…I was just theorizing wildly that maybe the twin isn’t the only person UT visited at the Sphere music hall and he gave Lizzie his Phantomhive ring… because she was sad, or because they talked, or for one reason or another really.  

Lastly, to be honest I’m kinda desperate for any canon interaction between UT and Lizzie at this point, so my mind just gave birth to that idea and I have to admit that, even if it’s most likely going to be wrong, I like it a lot. 😀

Maybe it’s just Yana’s mistake, maybe there is a more complex explanation buuut until we know more, have this crack theory if you like it! xD

I hope it answers your question, have a nice day Anon! 

I liked the last Kuro chapter, I mean, not because of what happened, but because I think there were some good choices of symbolism. Like, the choice of using the masks and turning them into falenas was a great way to perfectly communicate what was happening without being excessively graphich imo. Just here to say I appreciated how such a heavy topic was handled. (Obv people have all rights to feel disturbed).

Hi! And don’t worry Anon, I wholeheartedly agree with you. :))

Being explicit or graphic doesn’t always mean conveying your intent well. In my opinion, Yana nailed it the way she decided to do it, which is why the reactions to this chapter are so widely different, as I already explained.

If I were to take another example, Miura-sensei, Berserk’s author who also depicted similar events at several points in his story (with children and with adults of both genders), did it in a different way because ultimately the atmosphere and settings to convey and of his story in general were not the same, but his way to handle it was impressive too. 

I think it takes skills and again, even if I’m a part of those who rant about Kuroshitsuji’s pacing from time to time, I don’t think we can say that Yana is not skilled, on the contrary, and this chapter is just one of the many proofs we have. 

Thanks for passing by and have a nice day Anon!