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What I really want to come from Kaneki’s talk with Rize

Is that he turns Rize back into himself, this whole arc has been culminating to Kaneki finding out who he is through becoming a monster. One of his biggest flaws is when he is in his headspace, he doesn’t trust himself listen to himself. When he confronts his bad side it’s always someone who has hurt him, Rize his into crossroad the women who inadvertently turned him into who he is, or Jason who hurt him, as haise Kaneki whose memories scared him. When his mind is trying to help him, the one time he did it was Hide or a younger innocent self never the man he is now. He pushed forward a little with the ken conference but this is a step backwards. He is using Rize to hurt him to make him feel quilt for hurting humans instead of accepting what he did and taking it on himself, he will only be able to move forward if he can admit and fight himself on his conflicting emotions. I’m ready to see him finally let go of Rize as this mental torment to make himself hurt. I want him to finally face himself

Hey, so this is just a thought, but I’m the high-angle shot of Kaneki wading through the gates the surrounding water looks like dragon’s eyes. So maybe Kaneki is half-consciously moving through dragons body, seeing the body’s he devoured, while trying to get to where Touka is? I would love to hear your thoughts on that, thanks and have a nice day! 🌷

Hi! Ultimately, I think it will come to what you’re describing (although I don’t think he’s moving within his dragon kakuja at all), especially since we know Touka was last seen following where he possibly was…

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so for now I think she’s the one who is going to get him out. However, before we get there, I’m of the opinion that the current cinematic playing in his head is all like a trial he has to overcome, before he will allow the waves to pull his body to “the other side”, through that sea of dead bodies, and he’ll emerge where Touka and everyone else are.

See, since it’s all in his head, it means that on some level he’s already conscious of what he did ever since ch144 (hence why what you described does look like Dragoneki’s eyes) and “Rize” is just supposed to help him reach bigger conclusions, because she was used as a catalyst to major realizations before.

To be honest though, and to address your question of if Dragon is somehow represented in ch157, I wonder if Rize isn’t also representing Dragon on some level. What I mean by that is that Kaneki received her kakuhou but Rize isn’t such a random ghoul, because she’s from the Washuu lineage… 

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…which is why Dragoneki currently seems to parallel the Nagaraj from around 100 years ago so much.
So, more than just Rize acting as a catalyst, I wonder if she’s not also supposed to make him see in what kind of net he fell from the very beginning, and what role he is supposed to acknowledge next. 

I mean, if you look at Kaneki’s narrative arc so far, he was stuck in the position of the OEK and was not doing a very good job of it, which is what led to Dragon…

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Then again, the whole problematic of the OEK is that it’s a title that Kaneki received from Arima and Eto, a title he didn’t particularly want but that he still took because, at the time, he had nothing else to live for.

Honestly, becoming the OEK should have been easy enough for Kaneki if he had cared about coexistence in the slightest, because the “OEK” terrifies the CCG and V due to the previous OEKs who raised havoc in the past:

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However, Kaneki doesn’t care about coexistence, at least not for now…

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…which is why he failed to use that title correctly and the OEK will possibly be no more once the Dragoneki arc is over. 

That being said, Kaneki always was presented to be the bridge between humans and ghouls, and that from TG’s very first volume, so he’s not going to be able to escape this role by now. 

Anyway, back to Rize = a possible form of Dragoneki symbolism, because he was given Rize’s Washuu kakuhou, Kaneki was a pawn from the very beginning in Kanou’s/Furuta’s/Eto’s plans to annihilate the Washuus and current system, and I think it’s highly time for him to realize that too, because he has his own freedom and future to fight for as well, until this conflict ends.

That’s why I see the current cinematic in his head as a trial he has to overcome. There is what Rize literally called him on…

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…which is a reality he has to acknowledge, because he killed both ghouls and humans by now. However, there is also the fact that his whole narrative of being a OEG + being referred to as the bridge between humans and ghouls who would bring coexistence still exists in the plot, and he can’t avoid this reality either when he once embraced it in TG until Aogiri fucked everything up.

In other words…

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I hope that Kaneki will realize once more about “times when you have to protect something even if it means throwing away something else”.

It will start with acknowledging that he became a murderer, long ago for ghouls and recently for humans, for this very reason (which is not particularly an issue at this point since 99.5% of the cast is the same).
However it might also allow him to realize what kind of role he’ll have to tackle next (maybe the Nameless King if there is a real difference with the OEK?), since he won’t be able to have that peaceful future with Touka and their baby as long as this conflict doesn’t end. 

Sorry for rambling. I swear I didn’t want to digress xD To sum up, my thoughts are that Rize is a trigger to realizing a truth he’s already semi-conscious about (hence the whole cinematic, since everything is happening in his head) but never worked towards before. So it’s not just supposed to be about looking back on the past, “Rize” is also here, in my opinion, to make him realize what he’ll have to do in the future too. 

And once he’ll acknowledge all of what she has to show him, once he’ll be done with this new trial that he created for himself, then he’ll be able to swim through that water without fearing those dead bodies and with Touka waiting for him on the other end. 

I hope it was understandable, sorry it got so long. Have a nice day!

I’m upset. ;-; I saw a theory going around that kuro ends in less than an in-universe month. I feel like there’s too many mysteries that still needs to be explained, and while I understand it won’t go on forever, I am very attached and very upset, hahaha. I want OC to at least be a little older before he dies. Idk, I just don’t feel like a month is enough. I hope the publishers will convince Yana that there’s still more potential. I mean ye it can’t go on forever, and I doubt OC will make it to

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Hi Anon! Haha, yeah that theory. Nah it’s not my thing at all. 

Actually, it’s been existing 5ever Anon and the previous version of it when we were reaching the end of the GW arc with Sieglinde (mid-August in the timeline) was that “Kuroshitsuji was going to end on August 26th”, literally because “in s2 Ciel died on August 26th”. 

Guess what? We’re currently November 15th in the story. 👍

Please check my tag “ending of Kuro” for other theories on the subject, but basically I don’t think this arc is the final one even if it is a huge step towards the ending for sure. Therefore I think “December 14th” (the twins’ 14th birthday) is bound to be either included in the current arc (because it won’t be over by then), or it will be the interlude chapter before the next arc. 

As you said, obviously Ciel isn’t going to get to enjoy his future (I mean, I don’t know what ending Yana is going for, but for now chances of survival aren’t high) but…

  • Yana said that she would reveal how each servant came to work for Ciel: as of right now we only know about Finny and Snake, so we’ll probably tackle the past of Bard and Mey later. 
  • Btw Mey Rin is Chinese and guess who else is Chinese and shady? Lau and Ran Mao. So them getting an arc wouldn’t surprise me at all, especially since it seems Sensei is looking to break Father Knox’s decalogue.
  • Ciel isn’t closer to figuring out who the target of his revenge is supposed to be. Maybe this arc will help him get a few more hints but I don’t see how we’re supposed to face the big bad(s) at the end of this arc and solve everything. 
  • in general so many plot points have yet to be addressed, I don’t even want to make a list. xD

TL;DR I think Ciel will celebrate his 14th birthday. Whether it will be in happiness or not, whether the twin will be still be there or not, that I don’t know. However the story isn’t ending in one month in the current timeline, no way, and even less considering that this arc lasted from August to November already.

We are not addressing everything that’s left to be explained in just one month when this arc isn’t even over. Nope. 

I hope it helps! Have a nice day Anon. :))